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By Asura.Zizek 2012-10-22 19:12:07
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- During Besieged: an issue wherein when the player was KO’d and the battle ended but did not receive XP after being revived.
 
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-10-22 19:13:04
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Ragnarok.Slyshen said: »
I assume you're talking to me, I never said I wasn't a part of the economy, I just said it wasn't going to affect me, at least negatively ha.

Longer wait times for your items to move counts as a negative.

Just sayin'
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By Jeville 2012-10-22 19:13:04
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Sucks for anyone who made recent purchases on Arcane flowerpots lol. SE forgot to include Tokopekko wildgrass.
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By Kimble2013 2012-10-22 19:13:04
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
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well se just pissed me off enough to quit i been playing since 03 and now no longer have a reason to bother with this game
It's just a gil source, kinda weird quitting over this when it was such an obvious exploit.

I hardly call it an exploit. Its not like you got gil for doing nothing.
compared to pretty much every way to get gil yeah it was nothing. I could not find the picture of a player being afk in a worm abyssea party while wearing a worm costume so just imagine it.

Still takes time to turn Cruor into the Blinkers, NPC them, etc.

Bot =/= exploit. An exploit to me is manipulating the game to do something it isn't meant to do.
Blinkers were never meant to be a main source of income for players, I would call that manipulating the game.

By that logic, people were exploiting Ninja when it first came out by using it as a tank.
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By Ragnarok.Corres 2012-10-22 19:16:27
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Kimble2013 said: »
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well se just pissed me off enough to quit i been playing since 03 and now no longer have a reason to bother with this game
It's just a gil source, kinda weird quitting over this when it was such an obvious exploit.

I hardly call it an exploit. Its not like you got gil for doing nothing.
compared to pretty much every way to get gil yeah it was nothing. I could not find the picture of a player being afk in a worm abyssea party while wearing a worm costume so just imagine it.

Still takes time to turn Cruor into the Blinkers, NPC them, etc.

Bot =/= exploit. An exploit to me is manipulating the game to do something it isn't meant to do.
Blinkers were never meant to be a main source of income for players, I would call that manipulating the game.

By that logic, people were exploiting Ninja when it first came out by using it as a tank.
Did SE ever give away what they intended Ninja to be anyways? The playerbase chose to use Ninja in that way and SE rolled with it (sort of). On top of that i don't think you can really compare various methods for your gil-income, specifically this one, to a job that had no clear purpose as a tanking class anyways but people ran with it. I could be wrong though...

edit: it's late 'o' clock so please forgive me if my post is not understandable.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2012-10-22 19:16:54
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If you're part of the economy, you're subject to any changes to it, both negative and positive. The immediate outlook of the blinker nerf is pretty negative. Saying that you're going to hold on to your gil for now implies some sort of change in your normal activities.
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By Ragnarok.Slyshen 2012-10-22 19:16:56
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Ragnarok.Slyshen said: »
I assume you're talking to me, I never said I wasn't a part of the economy, I just said it wasn't going to affect me, at least negatively ha.

Longer wait times for your items to move counts as a negative.

Just sayin'

Maybe if I needed the gil right then and there, out to prove me wrong eh?
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-10-22 19:17:09
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Kimble2013 said: »
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well se just pissed me off enough to quit i been playing since 03 and now no longer have a reason to bother with this game
It's just a gil source, kinda weird quitting over this when it was such an obvious exploit.

I hardly call it an exploit. Its not like you got gil for doing nothing.
compared to pretty much every way to get gil yeah it was nothing. I could not find the picture of a player being afk in a worm abyssea party while wearing a worm costume so just imagine it.

Still takes time to turn Cruor into the Blinkers, NPC them, etc.

Bot =/= exploit. An exploit to me is manipulating the game to do something it isn't meant to do.
Blinkers were never meant to be a main source of income for players, I would call that manipulating the game.

By that logic, people were exploiting Ninja when it first came out by using it as a tank.
I fail to see your point.

SE gave players the ability to avoid hits, you had the option to do damage or evade.

SE however did not intend for players to enter the start of the zone and sit there for 5-10 hours trading blinkers.
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By Ragnarok.Slyshen 2012-10-22 19:18:28
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
If you're part of the economy, you're subject to any changes to it, both negative and positive. The immediate outlook of the blinker nerf is pretty negative. Saying that you're going to hold on to your gil for now implies some sort of change in your normal activities.

Hahaha, I've been saving my gil for months on end now.
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By Ragnarok.Ejiin 2012-10-22 19:19:20
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Ragnarok.Slyshen said: »
Yeah I don't think so... I don't do dynamis, rarely do VW, I craft, that is my hobby. Unless you can give me some thorough evidence on how it's going to affect me directly, stfu.

2M scarlet ingots and the fact you gave up on getting 110 smithing, that's how it has effected you.
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By Ragnarok.Slyshen 2012-10-22 19:19:26
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The outlook of the blinker nerf is that people can't bot their gil anymore and their mad about it. Nuff said.
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By Ragnarok.Corres 2012-10-22 19:20:27
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Ragnarok.Slyshen said: »
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Ragnarok.Slyshen said: »
I assume you're talking to me, I never said I wasn't a part of the economy, I just said it wasn't going to affect me, at least negatively ha.

Longer wait times for your items to move counts as a negative.

Just sayin'

Maybe if I needed the gil right then and there, out to prove me wrong eh?
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By Bismarck.Angeleus 2012-10-22 19:22:08
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9 pages about a dying game very interesting...
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By Lakshmi.Zaps 2012-10-22 19:22:23
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Ragnarok.Slyshen said: »
The outlook of the blinker nerf is that people can't bot their gil anymore and their mad about it. Nuff said.

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, Haks say hi.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-10-22 19:22:50
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Ragnarok.Corres said: »
Did SE ever give away what they intended Ninja to be anyways? The playerbase chose to use Ninja in that way and SE rolled with it (sort of). On top of that i don't think you can really compare various methods for your gil-income, specifically this one, to a job that had no clear purpose as a tanking class anyways but people ran with it. I could be wrong though...

edit: it's late 'o' clock so please forgive me if my post is not understandable.

Ninja was initially envisioned as a puller / light skirmisher job that functioned very similar to the AI of ninja monsters.

You'd pull using utsusemi as a complement to your evasion and your debuffs to bring the monster in feeb'd. Throwing for some ranged damage coupled with your katana damage and magic where physical prowess fails and you have a
balanced
job capable of doing many things.

Then the job launched.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-10-22 19:23:39
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Asura.Bartimaeus said: »
Ragnarok.Slyshen said: »
The outlook of the blinker nerf is that people can't bot their gil anymore and their mad about it. Nuff said.

I swear I'm not arguing to argue but hey.. there are plenty of us out here that used cruor as a way to stay away from dyna when we wanted money. :x

I was only lazy enough to not level a craft or dyna, not to use a bot for cruor. ;-; lol
A lot of people didn't use bots, but when I see 10 people sitting by the npc all day long it just blows my mind SE let it go on this long.
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By Bismarck.Angeleus 2012-10-22 19:24:02
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Asura.Bartimaeus said: »
there are plenty of us out here that used cruor as a way to stay away from dyna when we wanted money. :x

100% this
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By Ragnarok.Slyshen 2012-10-22 19:24:11
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Lakshmi.Zaps said: »
Ragnarok.Slyshen said: »
The outlook of the blinker nerf is that people can't bot their gil anymore and their mad about it. Nuff said.

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, Haks say hi.

Not everyone can just readily fish up Haks like they were able to turn on a bot on a Lv.30+ job to conver cruor.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-10-22 19:27:01
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I still think Hakuryu should be nerfed though, it doesn't even make sense why they put it in beau when the other 3 went into time restricted zones.
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By Siren.Barber 2012-10-22 19:27:38
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Can we at least get chocobo blinkers on the most viewed item list? Kind of a 'pour some on the block for my homies' moment?
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By Ragnarok.Corres 2012-10-22 19:28:42
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Ninja was initially envisioned as a puller / light skirmisher job that functioned very similar to the AI of ninja monsters.

You'd pull using utsusemi as a complement to your evasion and your debuffs to bring the monster in feeb'd. Throwing for some ranged damage coupled with your katana damage and magic where physical prowess fails and you have a
balanced
job capable of doing many things.

Then the job launched.
thanks you i had a good laugh :)

and this:
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
very similar to the AI of ninja monsters.
remins me of some nice behaviour of the dynamis ninja mobs going insta-boom even if you didn't attack them.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-10-22 19:29:27
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
I still think Hakuryu should be nerfed though, it doesn't even make sense why they put it in beau when the other 3 went into time restricted zones.

Atleast haks are limited by how much bait npcs can sell :P
It's actually at the point where it's close to stop itself on cerb lol
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-10-22 19:30:33
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
I still think Hakuryu should be nerfed though, it doesn't even make sense why they put it in beau when the other 3 went into time restricted zones.
Another weird thing about Haks, they are actually in two zones while the rest of them are one zone only. Beaucedine [S] isn't exactly a viable option though.
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By Kimble2013 2012-10-22 19:31:56
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well se just pissed me off enough to quit i been playing since 03 and now no longer have a reason to bother with this game
It's just a gil source, kinda weird quitting over this when it was such an obvious exploit.

I hardly call it an exploit. Its not like you got gil for doing nothing.
compared to pretty much every way to get gil yeah it was nothing. I could not find the picture of a player being afk in a worm abyssea party while wearing a worm costume so just imagine it.

Still takes time to turn Cruor into the Blinkers, NPC them, etc.

Bot =/= exploit. An exploit to me is manipulating the game to do something it isn't meant to do.
Blinkers were never meant to be a main source of income for players, I would call that manipulating the game.

By that logic, people were exploiting Ninja when it first came out by using it as a tank.
I fail to see your point.

SE gave players the ability to avoid hits, you had the option to do damage or evade.

SE however did not intend for players to enter the start of the zone and sit there for 5-10 hours trading blinkers.

Ok, so SE gave the players the ability to buy chocobo blinkers with cruor, you had the option to sell them for gil, or to finish the quest them.

If they didn't want people to sell them for gil, they could have just made them not NPC when they made them.
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By Ragnarok.Ejiin 2012-10-22 19:32:07
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I gave up on smithing? Ha I took a break to save money cause you were monoplizing ***ike a dumb *** and paying 2M for each ingot is ludicrous. There's quitting, and then there's being smart and not paying stupid *** prices cause someone got butthurt I was buying their ingredients. Rememeber that Ejiin?

I guess you're still too ignorant to understand why some people are willing to spend 2m/ingot to get 110, leaving you in the dust and failing to understand how blinker gil has played a role in it.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-10-22 19:32:10
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Hakuryu isn't amused.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-10-22 19:34:09
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Kimble2013 said: »
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well se just pissed me off enough to quit i been playing since 03 and now no longer have a reason to bother with this game
It's just a gil source, kinda weird quitting over this when it was such an obvious exploit.

I hardly call it an exploit. Its not like you got gil for doing nothing.
compared to pretty much every way to get gil yeah it was nothing. I could not find the picture of a player being afk in a worm abyssea party while wearing a worm costume so just imagine it.

Still takes time to turn Cruor into the Blinkers, NPC them, etc.

Bot =/= exploit. An exploit to me is manipulating the game to do something it isn't meant to do.
Blinkers were never meant to be a main source of income for players, I would call that manipulating the game.

By that logic, people were exploiting Ninja when it first came out by using it as a tank.
I fail to see your point.

SE gave players the ability to avoid hits, you had the option to do damage or evade.

SE however did not intend for players to enter the start of the zone and sit there for 5-10 hours trading blinkers.

Ok, so SE gave the players the ability to buy chocobo blinkers with cruor, you had the option to sell them for gil, or to finish the quest them.

If they didn't want people to sell them for gil, they could have just made them not NPC when they made them.
You can still finish the quest, and you can still trade them in for gil.

I just think it's wrong when people are obviously botting sitting in front of the NPC all day long.
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