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How to prevent the level cap increase:
By Izey 2010-02-28 16:39:30
Hades.Zandra said: Quetzalcoatl.Terribleone said: Hades.Zandra said: just before I probably get my last pieces of gear it will all be just about worthless, thanks for nothing SE.
How?
The people who still play have built their characters up from the ground. They lead shells, and they have acquired a specific in game wealth. Having a few 75 jobs (let alone 15-20) means something in this game, a certain flexibility. By raising the lvl cap SE is going to confiscate that flexibility and make it worthless, so now everything everyone has worked so hard to for, is worthless.
This isn't like adding a new piece of gear, where to stay on top you need to get it. This is taking everything you've worked for and making it WORTHLESS. This is redesigning the whole game months before its effectively outdated.
Ummm yea, I have 11x 75's.(Not complainin)
The game will be outdated soon.
Very few people will remain, followed by server shutdown.
Sooo 1 more time.... why don't we wanna push this game to the limit again? (Before we don't get to play at all)
I mean once no one can play it anymore everything you did will be "WORTHLESS" Anyway.
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By Bismarck.Altar 2010-02-28 16:39:59
Shiva.Flionheart said: Anyone who uses AF feet on pld is gimp because it's level 52 omgwtfbbq
AF+1 is 74.
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By Remora.Thiefninja 2010-02-28 16:42:45
Bismarck.Altar said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Anyone who uses AF feet on pld is gimp because it's level 52 omgwtfbbq AF 1 is 74.
if your 75 using af feet that arn't +1 then yeah ill say your gimp >.> haha jk. but srsly o.o
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By Phoenix.Airbag 2010-02-28 16:43:34
Asura.Calatilla said: I wonder if ppl had this argument when they increased the original level cap
no because this game was new and fresh and not the stagnant cesspool its become as far as 'elite' players goes, this update is just what this game needed and I /applaud SE
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By Asura.Artemicion 2010-02-28 16:44:36
It'll get all the comfortable/elitest 75s off their *** and get to playing the game again. Or just quit. Either way I like this.
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By Hades.Zandra 2010-02-28 16:45:13
Asura.Artemicion said: Hades.Zandra said: Quetzalcoatl.Terribleone said: Hades.Zandra said: just before I probably get my last pieces of gear it will all be just about worthless, thanks for nothing SE.
How?
The people who still play have built their characters up from the ground. They lead shells, and they have acquired a specific in game wealth. Having a few 75 jobs (let alone 15-20) means something in this game, a certain flexibility. By raising the lvl cap SE is going to confiscate that flexibility and make it worthless, so now everything everyone has worked so hard to for, is worthless.
This isn't like adding a new piece of gear, where to stay on top you need to get it. This is taking everything you've worked for and making it WORTHLESS. This is redesigning the whole game months before its effectively outdated.
If this means so much to you then why the *** did you start up an MMO in the first place? Increased limitations and gear are the nature of such games.
Wow!! No lag in luring out the trolls on this forum is there?
Increase limitations thus far have been quite fun to play along with, I've enjoyed all the add-ons the expansions and all the endgame stuff that comes with, but anyone who thinks this level cap update closely resembles the level of change found in any of the previous updates we've all enjoyed over the years has a cognition problem.
So... enjoy the game if you plan to stay. Have fun grinding your way to 99. Too much work for me.
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By Phoenix.Airbag 2010-02-28 16:49:24
Hades.Zandra said: Asura.Artemicion said: Hades.Zandra said: Quetzalcoatl.Terribleone said: Hades.Zandra said: just before I probably get my last pieces of gear it will all be just about worthless, thanks for nothing SE. How? The people who still play have built their characters up from the ground. They lead shells, and they have acquired a specific in game wealth. Having a few 75 jobs (let alone 15-20) means something in this game, a certain flexibility. By raising the lvl cap SE is going to confiscate that flexibility and make it worthless, so now everything everyone has worked so hard to for, is worthless. This isn't like adding a new piece of gear, where to stay on top you need to get it. This is taking everything you've worked for and making it WORTHLESS. This is redesigning the whole game months before its effectively outdated. If this means so much to you then why the *** did you start up an MMO in the first place? Increased limitations and gear are the nature of such games. Wow!! No lag in luring out the trolls on this forum is there? Increase limitations thus far have been quite fun to play along with, I've enjoyed all the add-ons the expansions and all the endgame stuff that comes with, but anyone who thinks this level cap update closely resembles the level of change found in any of the previous updates we've all enjoyed over the years has a cognition problem. So... enjoy the game if you plan to stay. Have fun grinding your way to 99. Too much work for me.
you wont be missed '-')/
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-02-28 16:51:32
Hades.Zandra said: Wow!! No lag in luring out the trolls on this forum is there?
Increase limitations thus far have been quite fun to play along with, I've enjoyed all the add-ons the expansions and all the endgame stuff that comes with, but anyone who thinks this level cap update closely resembles the level of change found in any of the previous updates we've all enjoyed over the years has a cognition problem.
So... enjoy the game if you plan to stay. Have fun grinding your way to 99. Too much work for me. He's not trolling. In fact, he has a very good point. MMOs have a very limited lifespan... It was always going to end up worthless. Pitching a fit over that fact simply suggests you should invest in more lasting pursuits.
Regardless, don't expect most top gear to be invalidated... expect it to be included in the upcoming augment system.
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By Asura.Artemicion 2010-02-28 16:51:48
Asura.Stubbs said: Hades.Zandra said: This is taking everything you've worked for and making it WORTHLESS. It had worth to begin with?
Hell I'm pumped that I'll still have all the jobs I poured so much effort into and I get to add a little something on top to make them that much better.
The effort invested is still there, SE has just added room for further effort to be placed into. You'll still have 75 levels of advantage and gear for every job leveled over anyone new starting the game. Things like the new "Trial of the Magians" questlines will allow you to take the existing armor you've invested so much effort into and add stats to make the relevant once again.
As far as I've seen everything already accomplished will still be completely usable towards things to come. SE isn't destroying anything you've achieved. They seem to clearly recognize exactly what everyone seems to be concerned about. Try embracing change for once. People have been expecting Vana'diel to implode on itself and the second anything new is mentioned they use that mentality as an excuse to justify it.
Just take a deep breath, calm down, and patiently wait for things to unfold. Don't explode all over a forum because you have absolutely no clue how something is actually going to turn out and must assume the worst as a result. If you're unsure about it and don't want to have your dreams crushed, then politely tell your buddies you're taking a break and cancel your content ID. Then, in a few months you can come back and re-evaluate where the game stands and see if it is worth coming back or not. How disappointed would you be if you ragequit, trashing everything you worked for, then realized later that the changes weren't so bad and you really want to play your old account again?
QFT
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By Garuda.Trunksc 2010-02-28 16:52:18
I've been playing for 6 years. Might not look like I've been playing that long but my main goal is not to have the best everything, its just to enjoy the game. I have some close friends, I just like to have fun with them. I am really looking forward to this. Think of the new adventures! Maybe you'll even get that feeling back from when you first started playing. I personally cant wait to get some solo revenge on a few ToAU mobs.
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By Hades.Agilo 2010-02-28 16:52:20
i think its an awesome change. the new add-ons just sound plain awesome, the walk of echoes sounds pretty cool, level99 seems great but you dont have to go there. people can just stay 75 and do the current endgame events at lvl75 like we've been doing all along, theres no harm in that. not to mention we still have no idea what theyre going to do with the merit system, hell they could keep it in place as it is but add more merits once you hit level99. i can't wait, and look forward to doing all these new endgame things, while still doing some of the old ones.
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By Phoenix.Airbag 2010-02-28 16:52:50
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Hades.Zandra said: Wow!! No lag in luring out the trolls on this forum is there? Increase limitations thus far have been quite fun to play along with, I've enjoyed all the add-ons the expansions and all the endgame stuff that comes with, but anyone who thinks this level cap update closely resembles the level of change found in any of the previous updates we've all enjoyed over the years has a cognition problem. So... enjoy the game if you plan to stay. Have fun grinding your way to 99. Too much work for me. He's not trolling. In fact, he has a very good point. MMOs have a very limited lifespan... It was always going to end up worthless. Pitching a fit over that fact simply suggests you should invest in more lasting pursuits. Regardless, don't expect most top gear to be invalidated... expect it to be included in the upcoming augment system.
/agree
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By Phoenix.Slytribal 2010-02-28 16:52:54
Personally I'm torn by this level cap. I see both points so clearly. Why it's bad and why it could be so good. Levelling is not a problem (Skilling will be painful, but if the program works, it'll be worth it).
This can give us new goals, new things to work for. For those who have everything, it's not like SE are trying to make all their work pointless, it's to give them new things to strive for instead of getting bored with little left to achieve in the game. I'm certain some things like Dynamis, Einherjar etc. will still be capped to 75, and the gear we use at 75 won't all be completely useless, and if there is better, it'll be the ones that are difficult to get. There may also be easier to obtain, slightly weaker but running along the same lines, variants of homams, Askar etc.
Then I see how this could affect the current mobs that we have, would it make Nidhogg, Kirin, all of the sort too easy? Would they even be worth the hassle anymore? Would we need to remain in the new areas for skill ups and parties or will higher level mobs be put into the quicker to access areas? Also, with FFXIV coming out this year, how much point is there truly to all of this? How many will still remain to make this worthwhile for yourself to carry on? No point doing all of this when everyone you've grown to like has left, no fun in it then.
Really, it's too early to judge this, and the only way we can figure out if it's good for us is to experience it. SE may seem like idiots at time, but they do know what they're doing, and I'm sure they will make this as good as they can.
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By Seraph.Chasuro 2010-02-28 16:55:52
lol, You arent going to get SE to change their minds about level 99. And seriously, whats the big deal? You dont like it? Then dont level! Does it still suck? Play a different game! But you love this game? Deal with it then!
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By Ragnarok.Zephyran 2010-02-28 16:58:26
Folks, the gear you worked hard for will not become obsolete. You can enhance your R/Ex gear via the "Trial of the Magians" quests with stats you choose, before the augmenting process.
The level cap will not be set instantly to 99 at June. The cap will increase in increments over the course of a year. We will also have new zones with new monsters to level in. We will finally have some freedom of Colibri, and will finally be able to eat food without fear of having it eaten by the birds.
Before you /panic about where the game is headed, read their plans for FFXI this year and educate yourselves about what's in store for us, instead of assuming for the worst and saying how much of a bad idea it is when you haven't even read it thoroughly.
Give it a shot. You may like it, and if you don't there's always FFXIV right around the corner. No reason to get your panties in a knot.
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By Fenrir.Shambo 2010-02-28 16:59:51
*** *** fo shigga
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By Pandemonium.Kajidourden 2010-02-28 17:00:41
Meh, i say let em QQ and rage, maybe then we can weed out not so bright people who can't read, or the ones that can't handle the coming changes.
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By Hades.Agilo 2010-02-28 17:03:50
with new places to level and different mobs besided colibri... dare i ask.... will blm be able to party again??
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By Pandemonium.Kajidourden 2010-02-28 17:04:39
Hades.Agilo said: with new places to level and different mobs besided colibri... dare i ask.... will blm be able to party again??
Possible, certainly hope so. Theyre going to need to give us some stupid high xp to expect us to reach 99 lol
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By Bismarck.Rinako 2010-02-28 17:06:38
I'm pretty excited about the cap, at first I was like "Ugh 9 jobs at 75 i have to take to 99 *** that" but really unless the grind is slow like... pre aht urgan pts I honestly won't mind it, It's always nice to exp in new areas anyway. Plus it's not 24 levels at once, June they're introducing the first increase, grind all the way to w/e cap they have and wait for new stuff. My thing is I'm wondering what kinda of limit break they'll be adding, if any at all.
It's nice for people who feel like they have nothing else in this game to do, "I got all the gear I just sit and camp hnm all day" now they can find something else to do, and with others who are new the the game, well... just another block in the road. I'm excited about the add-ons and the job adjustments. The main reason people don't want the cap increases is because of the grind and their "awesome gear" becoming obsolete. Who honestly wants to be wearing lv.75 gear at 99? Then again... I'm gonna be wearing trotters at 99THF !! :D lolz pretty funny, but really.
I think overall the upcoming updates are gonna be mind blowing for those who are still hardcore fans of this game. Those who have been doing HNM for 8 years of their play time though... no so much.
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By Hades.Agilo 2010-02-28 17:07:12
Pandemonium.Kajidourden said: Hades.Agilo said: with new places to level and different mobs besided colibri... dare i ask.... will blm be able to party again?? Possible, certainly hope so. Theyre going to need to give us some stupid high xp to expect us to reach 99 lol
lol... maybe theyll give us a bunch of mobs weak to magic as revenge for the years of soloing and manaburning hell everyone put us through! hahaha
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By Bismarck.Rinako 2010-02-28 17:09:44
God I hope they have manaburn camps.... :( gonna suck if we have to be main healers in pts just to get levels...
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By Siren.Taggerung 2010-02-28 17:11:19
Phoenix.Slytribal said: Personally I'm torn by this level cap. I see both points so clearly. Why it's bad and why it could be so good. Levelling is not a problem (Skilling will be painful, but if the program works, it'll be worth it). This can give us new goals, new things to work for. For those who have everything, it's not like SE are trying to make all their work pointless, it's to give them new things to strive for instead of getting bored with little left to achieve in the game. I'm certain some things like Dynamis, Einherjar etc. will still be capped to 75, and the gear we use at 75 won't all be completely useless, and if there is better, it'll be the ones that are difficult to get. There may also be easier to obtain, slightly weaker but running along the same lines, variants of homams, Askar etc. Then I see how this could affect the current mobs that we have, would it make Nidhogg, Kirin, all of the sort too easy? Would they even be worth the hassle anymore? Would we need to remain in the new areas for skill ups and parties or will higher level mobs be put into the quicker to access areas? Also, with FFXIV coming out this year, how much point is there truly to all of this? How many will still remain to make this worthwhile for yourself to carry on? No point doing all of this when everyone you've grown to like has left, no fun in it then. Really, it's too early to judge this, and the only way we can figure out if it's good for us is to experience it. SE may seem like idiots at time, but they do know what they're doing, and I'm sure they will make this as good as they can.
lol, you still think FFXIV is coming out this year? wow. don't hold your breath.
and, increasing the level cap will break the game unless they make DRASTIC changes to everything else. /rdm for everything... hmm, vert, refresh, haste. not sayin, just sayin.
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By Hades.Agilo 2010-02-28 17:13:35
Bismarck.Rinako said: God I hope they have manaburn camps.... :( gonna suck if we have to be main healers in pts just to get levels...
i already hate doing that as summoner lol, i will NOT sink that low as blm. there will be something that has a pet in that zone and its pet will die thousands of times with it not noticing lol.
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By Seraph.Chasuro 2010-02-28 17:13:41
I always enjoy a new adventure! Screw complacent & easy fights. I'm tired of everyone doing the same thing as everyone else because it's easy and proven. Mix it up! Make it interesting! Or am I one of the few who plays adventure games for the sense of adventure?
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By Bahamut.Stanflame 2010-02-28 17:14:07
Remora.Willoflame said: I'm going to start out by stating that if you don't like this idea, then don't even bother reading past what I have to say, and don't bother flaming me either. I'm merely
Judging by the 12,000 views at this point on the "Level cap 99" topic,
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By Ramuh.Thunderz 2010-02-28 17:14:17
I hope they release the BETA this year
hopefully
If thats not the case then it was stupid of them to have talked about it
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By Bismarck.Rinako 2010-02-28 17:14:27
Hades.Agilo said: Bismarck.Rinako said: God I hope they have manaburn camps.... :( gonna suck if we have to be main healers in pts just to get levels...
i already hate doing that as summoner lol, i will NOT sink that low as blm. there will be something that has a pet in that zone and its pet will die thousands of times with it not noticing lol.
Yeah I love a good pet camp. but... come on they better have a billion camps with how many ls's will want Lv.99 BLMs.
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I'm going to start out by stating that if you don't like this idea, then don't even bother reading past what I have to say, and don't bother flaming me either. I'm merely making a suggestion and possibly solving this upcoming issue.
Judging by the 12,000+ views at this point on the "Level cap 99" topic, as well as the negative feedback in post replies, we can all assume that everyone is about as equally upset with this issue as the next. This is unquestionably one of the lowest things that Square Enix could do at this point.
So how do you fix it? Well, sitting on ffxiah.com forums and complaining with 300 other people is not going to solve your issue, I assure it. Square Enix employees are not paid to read these forums. However, they ARE paid to read the feedback. Now, I know this seems silly. Why would they read your feedback? Why would it matter to them at this point? XIV is coming out soon, why should I bother? Well, if you have any respect for this game, or the amount of time that you've put in to this game, perfecting your characters, testing out strategies, or parsing out numbers to find what's best in what situation, then you'd take 10 minutes out of your busy schedule and write a letter of feedback to Square Enix.
http://support.na.square-enix.com/contacttop.php?id=20&la=1
The link above is the North American link to the "Contact Us" page on playonline.com. If you don't trust copy-pasting this into your browser, you can find the same page by going to playonline.com > Service and Support > Contact (It's on the upper-right hand corner of the page) > Feedback.
There are a number of things to remember when writing constructive feedback. I think I speak for everyone when I say that it's not every day that I leave feedback to anything. Here's a few tips on how to get your voice heard, while remaining respectful, and courteous in your feedback:
*Be assertive, but don't be rude. Square Enix does not want to hear ugly remarks.
*Get to the point. Don't make a wall of text for them to read. State what you have to say, and send it.
*Make your statement clear and bold. Make sure that they know what you are saying.
*Make sure that they understand that you mean BUSINESS. If you think that what you say may not be enough, tell them that this sort of behavior is not something that you want to see in future FF games.
Perhaps if the 12,000 people who viewed the "Level cap 99" topic are to submit a feedback, stating that they do not like the idea, they may just revoke it. While you may think that the feedback thing is a joke, it's not. Believe it or not, Square Enix employees are paid to do their job, so they will see what you have to say. It even says in a subtitle: "While we value your feedback and review each submission, we do not provide responses to these types of contacts. Thank you for your submission." You don't need a reply, just make sure that you send something.
When they see a healthy amount of dislike on this, they may just change their mind. ;)
Again, thank you all who actually do this. And to those who are about to flame me in a post, grow up, please.
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