Low-man Sky Yumm

You only have to kite Kirin solo for about 5-15 minutes depending on the order of mini-god pops.

That's JUST it... you've said it...
but you have no proof of it...

BTW, Jesus is standing here at my place of work.
He's eating a burrito and holding a poodle.

do you believe me?
Why not...
I SAID it was true...
guess you're unwilling to listen

If he actually was, and you gave strong supporting evidence that it was true, I'd be compelled to believe you.

Now let's assume for a second that you don't have a camera on you and can't take a picture. Does that make it false?

Thank You
that's all Myself, and anyone really wanted to hear you say.

Because all along, that's all Wooo and anyone else in this thread want you to do.

Give STRONG SUPPORTING evidence.

I'm done.

Exactly, kiting kirin for 30mins or more isn't hard, he's not hard to kite, but eventually he's gonna catch you off guard i.e. reel off a sleepga while you taking a corner or something seen it happen loads to myself and others.

Ent may well have done it for over a hour alone, fair play and good job if he has, i'd just rather see a vid of it so i can judge if there is a actual tactic behind it (or a lot of skill behind a normal strat) or if its a lucky run.

Completely unrelated and off track but nobody should have to post pictures or videos of every single "hard" or "challenging" fight or strategy to prove a point or seem credible.

...Especially on common knowledge things such as this entire topic, It's sky, it's been around for quite some time.

I can kite Bubbly Bernie, do i get some special prize too?

Get with the program, you keep repeating yourself because you can't come up with any more arguements.

Actually, Wood..., at the time, there weren't other people to pick up the slack really. I was kiting it as WHM/BLM because at that moment, that was the choice between losing a Kirin set or not, and I wanted to try. I did it in desperation while people were trying to get back up and take out Byakko and Suzy after the chaos. Eventually I would have run out of MP for Blink (something that /NIN would prevent). If I screwed up during that time, Kirin was gone, so I had to try.

I think most of my LS was stunned, honestly, and if any of them that were present that night read this, I'm sure they can attest to it. It was me kiting Kirin alone, un-aided, through a room full of death and 2 minis running around. I think I even had to use one of Kirin's AM casts to throw a raise on someone, but I may just be imagining that. Honestly, I was somewhat stunned, but I was just "in the zone" in that moment.

He took a few shadows (Blink, mind you, not the reliable Utsusemi) and i may have been hit with something once or twice, but I had no outside support. I had some refresh drinks with me and a Noble's, but that's it for MP. WHM/RDM would have been nice for the fast cast, but that's rare that I was ever on WHM/RDM for anything short of messing around.

The point is that actually kiting Kirin is not that hard. Yes, you can have a bad stroke of luck and get killed, but I fully believe that it's possible to kite Kirin solo unsupported for a very long time if you are attentive, smart, and sure, maybe a little bit lucky.

I'm not the best kiter in the world, or the best WHM in the world, and I sure as hell didn't have the best gear. BUT, when it comes to analyzing and breaking down a fight and working strategy, I'm second to none.

The reason that so many people SUCK at kiting (and not just Kirin, but things like Behemoth and that one Mamool ZNM that spams Groundburst), is because they fail to remember that kiting is a controlled activity. You don't just get in there and run like hell all over the place. It's a precise sequence of moving, stopping, casting, etc.

WHM/NIN with Gaiters would probably be one of the better jobs for it, especially if they somehow had 2 MP Refresh (like FoV Refresh and gear Refresh). Granted the WHM/NIN would get wasted if they ever had to hold it steady except for on AM and Tier 5 casts, but then again, you don't need to stand there and sit around on your thumbs when it does that anyway. And they wouldn't be the best job to build hate to actually "tank" but as far as just maintaining a kite on an unassaulted Kirin, I think it would work as well as anything else.

I've been giving nothing but hard evidence that I've gathered through my few tries at this. I'm not just making this all up, I've lived it all.

And now let's see some of the responses I've gotten while trying to explain this:

Basically it's going:

Enternius: It's not that hard. You're just doing it wrong.
Wooooodum: It's impossible. Stop being a *** idiot.

I've said what I could. And you're still unwilling to listen.

Fixed for truth. Seriously, why is this so hard to comprehend? We want proof. We're listening, and we disagree. Here's the part where, in return to us wanting proof, you shut the *** up, or give it to us.

Calm down, Wooo.

As I had already said, I can't sign into FFXI for more than 5-10 minutes at a time because my computer sucks.

And I can't present any sort of proof if I can't get on to recreate the situation.

I'm sorry, but I can't. No need to get mad at me for that.

Well, had you said that three pages back, nobody would be annoyed at you. But for the fact whenever we've asked for proof before this post, you'd just gone "Well I know I'm right, I have nothing to prove."

Thanks for finally saying it, now we can move on. Honestly, all along we were getting worked up at your attitude and not your opinion; although proof would be preferred.

I've been saying it like every day for the past month or so in the FFXIAH linkshell thread, lol.

Sorry for the confusion. I would take a video or something if I could.

Ok now that that is done.

@Wooooo



Kirin has way more than 20K HP
Discuss!

We already know my maths is wrong!

lol but you haven't said anything since then ^^

I know I'm wrong, everyone else knows I'm wrong, I see no reason to debate my rubbish maths. :D

lol Sorry just had to hang ya out there.

Since when you click on a topic on the homepage it takes you to the latest post, thought I'd repost the OP's post so that people don't have to read through this thread:

Gawdamn that was painful to read over.

I was a little iffy on the concept and the execution of the idea until it was pointed out you're only solo kiting until the mages can finish off minis and return for damage and support wherein it doesn't sound all that crazy. Definitely skillful with a slice of luck on the side, but if you're just trying to stay alive for the time being instead of building hate (atm) I think it'd be possible.

Also, there's a "Show OP" button right next to my face currently for that purpose.

It's not even that much. Once one dies, you'll (Hopefully) have Genbu and two of the others. Genbu can be easily held by one RDM and they don't even have to pay attention to it, besides watching for nukes so they can be assisting the NIN right from the start. It's only solo for like 5-10 minutes until the first one dies.

Beyond that, a RDM can take and hold one of the two other minis that are alive, and the BLM and SCH can be nuking the third one down. Then jumping in to assist the RDM with the second one, then after that, healing and taking out Genbu. The minis are the easy part.

I can recall a handful of times having to do something fairly similar if a bad AF caught an annoyingly high amount of people or a mini was dealt with badly that essentially deserted me with a Kirin on my *** for at minimum 5~ minutes waiting for raises and recovery. Definitely doesn't seem as absurd as it's being made out to be.

So basically, up until now this thread is full of discussion as well?



Congratulations guys. >.>

I thought everyone was talking about a extended period of time... not just 5-10mins lol 5-10mins is cake.

Just trying to help the OP, some people probably wouldn't know of that button or intentionally use it.

We were talking about a long period of time, yeah. Time enough for Kirin to summon all his adds and for them to be killed with a low man (5 people) setup. It still would be next to impossible to avoid getting hit at least once by something though, five mins or not.

I don't think you've ever kited Kirin. You're making this out to be much more difficult than it is. If you can't kite something like Kirin that casts quite a bit for 10 minutes without getting hit, something's wrong with what you're doing. Figure out a new kite path that doesn't get you raped, because.....

You did a super job reading the thread, Vincentius, lol.