Infernal Scythe

Did I get the name of the new scythe weaponskill right? I think so >< Anyway, anyone else disappointed by it? It looks crappy and it looks like a one-hit ws by the video.

omnomnom claw attk

Vorpal Scythe +1?

Its the Cata animation with a gay effect :(

I personally thought it looked cool, but I doubt it will be any good. Gonna be hard to top Guillo...

Well if Scythe has a good 1 hit Weaponskill thats say prebuffed unlike spiral hell. Greatswords gonna be even more eh.. Still awaiting the actual mods/effects.

If this new weaponskill is on par with Spinning Slash it would be pretty nice. If its even better? then thats very good.

How about waiting to see if it's any good before you start whining?


Usefulness > Looks

You know how it would be an awesome WS? If BST got it.

Guilliotine will still be the best WS for scythe(unless you have relic). I mean really if a LS brings a drk DD to something and doesnt give you a means to be buffed then the LS leadership is pretty dumb.

Not looking for a Guillotine Topper, looking for an alternative depending on the situation.

High-Power Elemental Attack with Good (STR) mods (IE, Primal Rend, except not CHR modded) (Against Physically Resistant Targets)

Or Single-hit pDIF/fTP bonus with High Modification value (Spinning Slash) (Against High-Defense HNM)

The single hit pdiff bonus is what I was talking about. Guilltione is already better than any pdif bonus mod would be assuming you are getting attack buffs. So far the only resistant HNM is aspid and it wouldnt make any difference there. Tiamat, Nid, Faf, and cerb are all squishy targets with marchx2 + minuet or a corsair in the party.

Either you have secret gear, or are pulling numbers out of your ***. Cause I've had 890 ATK on Cerb and still Spinning Slash and Even Cross Reaper were pulling ahead of Guillotine, not by much, but they were. (Cross doin about 800-1150, Guillotine 640-900, Spinning 850-950)

Also everyone has 150 LS members with the Right jobs. Usually on Ixion, all I get is double march and Pizza, so a high pDIF scythe attack would be perfect. over 10 members at anything is a Rarity, and A high pDIF scythe ws would fit into the toolbox of "useful" if certainly not all-round better than Guillotine.


All this is moot, we deep down know it's going to be a "Blinds Target, Chance of missing varies with TP" ws...

will suck unless it has a decent aftermath or is better than ss

So it will suck unless it's good. Your grasp of the obvious is truly inspiring.

what the *** else you want, useless speculation about 3 sec of footage?

I've never seen cross reaper beat guilltione when all hits have landed. Without a parse I cant say what would average the most over time. Your numbers look like you're subbing thief which is also favors single hit/lower hit weaponskills. I am speaking for drk/sam not drk/thf.

I haven't subbed Thief on DRK since before Homam was introduced. This particular instance was /NIN, since when you're one of only two stunners, you can't afford the Hasso/seigan recast gimp.

I have no doubts that more attack would have made Guillotine better, but most 88+ HNM have too much defense to really get enough Attack reliably.

Again, I want to make it clear I'm not saying any of those weapon skills are better than guillotine, or that this ugly *** weapon skill Infernal Scythe is going to be better. I'm just saying the most we can hope for is it has some utility for people who can't be /WAR with 4x brd and COR in DD Party. (Exaggeration, but you get the idea)

weapon skills have animations!?!

For better or worse, they do. Luckily, if IS does turn out to be rockisox (Ftp 5.0 w/ STR/DEX Mod +65% amirite?!) It'll give even more reason to gear swap faster, not not see the gay effects.

On a side note, D.Shantotto uses Infernal Scythe, and it inflicts like 50 different status effects. (Actually called Salvation Scythe, but the weapon skill Effects are identical).

They better give us good mods, drk's supposed to be a hard hitter yet we get shitty mods and crappy magic updates.

@ Zicdeh

Don't forget cRatio of 3.0 or higher!

I'm hoping for a great DRK Weaponskill. I'm sorta WAR main and to be honest between Berserk/Agressor/HighDoubleAttack and Retaliation as well. With the mix of critical hit multihits/ King's Justice. It can be hard for Dark Knight to keep up with a good Warrior. I'm not trying to talk ***it's just a huge let down Insurgency isn't a crit based weaponskill. Then if you have a good healer you can pretty much first voke, hasso/retalliation, while Soul Eater can drop you from max health to yellow quickly. And all it might take is a lucky pecking flurry to take you out of the picture.

I'd be really happy if last resort was the same duration as berserk but hell that's just me. If DRK weaponskills won't match the spike potential of others atleast let us ride 5/5 desperate blows for like 2 minutes :Q

Last Resort is overpowered as-is, honestly. When merits are capped. And idk about you, maybe you just have bad experiences with DRKs, but even when my gear was fairly bad and I missed one or two hits per WS, I still averaged close to my fellow party members on Mamool Ja and/or Puks. 800 or so (WSing in NQ Haubergeon and no Hecatomb), with spikes up to 1200.

Admittedly, after a while, it did get a lot better but I'd still say DRK at least "keeps up" with other DDs.

Drk without apoc isn't even really a DD. Its a horrid job that parses terribly vs properly geared sams and wars. The difference in haste between war/sam, sam/drg vs drk/sam is massive.

I like DRK's, everyone says they're bad, but I rate them highly.

drk without an apoc isn't even a real dd? really? you said that? lol

even the ones who suck must deal enough dmg to get themselves to 75.

No, drk isn't always the best in terms of damage dealing, but me and every other drk i know has blow the hell outa other dd jobs at some time, and not just the ones that suck. A properly geared X job can outdo other jobs, no matter what.

Stigma on jobs are getting old, and its time for ppl to let go of that.

My main is drk. I have been out damaged by other jobs yes, i have also out done other jobs.

O Sam does more penta 3k dmg on bird camps w/e. Sure drk does suck at bird camps in comparison to other jobs, but meriting ISN'T ALL there is.


Ok this rant is over.

Every job is good if played right and can be potent.

Ppl needa cut the crap outa drk sucks and is a useless job.


NOW to the ws.

I have to say in general guillo is always better bc of the circumstances it is used under. If you fight things with high def most ppl whip out the gs due to the ws factors.

If this new ws is like a spinning slash then it could fair quite well. But still unless it has a massive additional effect, if you use scythe guillo will prob be the most favorable ws.

The difference in Haste is 2% <_< DRK does very well!

EDIT: Basically, using the above logic, if you're using a Swift Belt you are going to be absolutely diabolical.

If you mean Rune Choppers and what have you then we can move onto that.

I have to agree with Eternius. Take a look at the following info I parsed a few merit parties ago.

Damage Summary
Player Total Dmg Damage % Melee Dmg Range Dmg Abil. Dmg WSkill Dmg Spell Dmg Other Dmg
Caoimhe 271 0.06 % 0 0 0 0 271 0
Lyquid 34008 7.87 % 14464 0 0 19544 0 0
Mexicano 124076 28.70 % 58895 0 0 65181 0 0
Omnivirus 124449 28.79 % 61741 0 0 62708 0 0
Sephrin 133123 30.79 % 71981 0 63 57478 2814 787
SC: Compression 618 0.14 % 0 0 0 0 0 0
SC: Fragmentation 7471 1.73 % 0 0 0 0 0 0
SC: Fusion 2577 0.60 % 0 0 0 0 0 0
SC: Induration 3786 0.88 % 0 0 0 0 0 0
SC: Light 537 0.12 % 0 0 0 0 0 0
SC: Reverberation 1382 0.32 % 0 0 0 0 0 0
Total 432298 100.00 % 207081 0 63 204911 3085 787

Weaponskill Damage
Player WSkill Dmg WSkill % Hit/Miss WS.Acc % WS.Low/Hi WS.Avg[/b]
Lyquid 19544 57.47 % 32/11 74.42 % 352/776 610.75
- Slug Shot 19544 100.00 % 32/11 74.42 % 352/776 610.75
Mexicano 65181 52.53 % 71/8 89.87 % 525/1661 918.04
- Tachi: Gekko 48662 74.66 % 51/5 91.07 % 587/1661 954.16
- Tachi: Kasha 11892 18.24 % 14/2 87.50 % 604/1167 849.43
- Tachi: Yukikaze 4627 7.10 % 6/1 85.71 % 525/1050 771.17
Omnivirus 62708 50.39 % 66/2 97.06 % 592/1551 950.12
- Tachi: Gekko 47556 75.84 % 49/1 98.00 % 643/1551 970.53
- Tachi: Kasha 3389 5.40 % 4/0 100.00 % 689/975 847.25
- Tachi: Yukikaze 11763 18.76 % 13/1 92.86 % 592/1187 904.85
Sephrin 57478 43.18 % 56/1 98.25 % 0/1458 1026.39
- Guillotine 57478 100.00 % 56/0 100.00 % 490/1458 1026.39
- Insurgency 0 0.00 % 0/1 0.00 % 0/0 0.00

Hope you can understand these numbers lol. i fail at posting stuff, etc.

Simply put, being a DRK DD means you can't be an idiot. Even with Apoc, being a moron could mean you parse below an Onimaru SAM. All it takes is using Hecatomb On Catastrophe (A mistake already, but more damning...->) and not taking your gear off in time, to lose 3-5 attack turns.

No, DRK is not a more powerful Damage Dealer than equally skilled and equally geared Samurai's and Warriors, but frankly, they're not really meant to be. I will always hold fast to the notion that Stun alone makes them more valuable than either of the aforementioned jobs, on top of their ability to tank without the need to inflict damage, as well as Effectively (With merits and a decent gearset) Enfeeble targets. (DRK with Enfeeble set = Lifesaver in Limbus/Nyzul). Having a Dark Knight in the group (A good one anyway) affords you a backup plan that neither Warrior or Samurai can fulfill. What the job(s) future entails, only Square knows.

Excelior used to be a gimp Gsword drk who shunned scythes until I showed him the way. I always outparsed him and he was always talking ***, he just doesn't know how to use drk. I wouldn't waste time with his trolling tbh.

inb4 he starts talking ***like he's famous for. I would literally ignore anything he says from this point forward. He's a joke on gilgamesh and server hopped. I heard he's also going for an apoc when he doesn't even have Ebody lol. I'm not sure he has justice either.