would be sweet if samurai can dual wield >.>
a gkt and a katana. be epic :D
Death Scythe/Tredecim Scythe/Moliones's Set
Death Scythe/Tredecim Scythe/Moliones's Set
Hades.Excelior said:
Noob question probably but does apocalypse with +26% gear haste benefit from sword strap? I was never sure how -delay interacted with haste caps since there's so little gear that has it.
Where delay% is your delay- gear and haste is expressed in fractions of 1024. Since they're independent of each other, capped haste doesn't affect delay reduction (nor does it affect the benefit; delay-3% is 3.09% to non-JA DPS with no other factors in play).
Interesting most apoc drks don't use sword strap then when its clearly better than pole in that situation.
Hades.Excelior said:
Interesting most apoc drks don't use sword strap then when its clearly better than pole in that situation.
Most Apocalypse Dark Knights are idiots though, who know nothing more than "Apocalypse is the best Melee Relic".
I swear, I saw one exping in 5/5 Askar, soooooo my faith in humanity died that day.
Odin.Zicdeh said:
Hades.Excelior said:
Interesting most apoc drks don't use sword strap then when its clearly better than pole in that situation.
*Cough* Exeter, nah he is a good guy, didn't realize you were in his LS.
I wouldn't say clearly... It breaks your 6-hit if you're just using Rajas + Pole. At the very least you'd have to TP in additional STP and possibly WS in it as well depending on how much you add. Askar body would let you WS in whatever and retain your 6-hit, as would Aurum if you needed the 6 accuracy. Depending on the situation losing EBody's accuracy for TP phase might make it a poor choice.
Hades.Excelior said:
Odin.Zicdeh said:
Hades.Excelior said:
Interesting most apoc drks don't use sword strap then when its clearly better than pole in that situation.
*Cough* Exeter, nah he is a good guy, didn't realize you were in his LS.
Exeter Totally would use 5/5 Askar and apoc. if he could even afford to pay off his Are's cuirass! He's lucky I don't charge interest.
Hades.Excelior said:
Odin.Zicdeh said:
Hades.Excelior said:
Interesting most apoc drks don't use sword strap then when its clearly better than pole in that situation.
*Cough* Exeter, nah he is a good guy, didn't realize you were in his LS.
Exeter from Hades? He went to Odin?
Hades.Stefanos said:
Hades.Excelior said:
Odin.Zicdeh said:
Hades.Excelior said:
Interesting most apoc drks don't use sword strap then when its clearly better than pole in that situation.
Nah different Exeter, used to lead mooglelounge on odin, its a HNM linkshell.
@Zicdeh
That douche bag told me he finished aegis, now I'm not sure I believe him.
Hades.Excelior said:
Hades.Stefanos said:
Hades.Excelior said:
Odin.Zicdeh said:
Hades.Excelior said:
Interesting most apoc drks don't use sword strap then when its clearly better than pole in that situation.
Nah different Exeter, used to lead mooglelounge on odin, its a HNM linkshell.
@Zicdeh
That douche bag told me he finished aegis, now I'm not sure I believe him.
The only thing Exe ever finished was a bag of Cheetos!
with 25% haste and sword strap
apocalyspe has a "delay" of 373 delay
so with that alone and no buffs you're attacking every 6 seconds essentially.
Question:
after relic weapons are fully upgraded by magian quests.
would ragnarok hit harder than apocalyspe
apocalyspe has a "delay" of 373 delay
so with that alone and no buffs you're attacking every 6 seconds essentially.
Question:
after relic weapons are fully upgraded by magian quests.
would ragnarok hit harder than apocalyspe
I don't understand the question. Outdamage on a per-hit basis? Not a chance. Outparse Apoc? Also not happening, but partially for different reasons.
Only if the Apocalypse Wielder was AFK.
Ragnarok becomes a beast in sustained DPS after the Magian quests, but you aren't dropping 150m JUST for the weapon... Unless you have a *** for Grtsword WAR and also have DRK, Ragnarok should never even cross your mind over Apoc*
*Of course, it's your gil, if you want Ragnarok, go for it. Don't get a relic for anyone but yourself.
Ragnarok becomes a beast in sustained DPS after the Magian quests, but you aren't dropping 150m JUST for the weapon... Unless you have a *** for Grtsword WAR and also have DRK, Ragnarok should never even cross your mind over Apoc*
*Of course, it's your gil, if you want Ragnarok, go for it. Don't get a relic for anyone but yourself.
lol cuz i was just wondering cuz i was looking at hte numbers and adding adding the x2 and x2.5 modifiers that each weapon occaisonally does.
I know that in a multihit ws, it has the potential to do far superior numbers than single hit ws.
but single hit ws is more consistent from my experience
so just curious lol
and yes when fighting i normally do have capped acc.
I know that in a multihit ws, it has the potential to do far superior numbers than single hit ws.
but single hit ws is more consistent from my experience
so just curious lol
and yes when fighting i normally do have capped acc.
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:
lol cuz i was just wondering cuz i was looking at hte numbers and adding adding the x2 and x2.5 modifiers that each weapon occaisonally does.
I know that in a multihit ws, it has the potential to do far superior numbers than single hit ws.
but single hit ws is more consistent from my experience
so just curious lol
and yes when fighting i normally do have capped acc.
I know that in a multihit ws, it has the potential to do far superior numbers than single hit ws.
but single hit ws is more consistent from my experience
so just curious lol
and yes when fighting i normally do have capped acc.
I always thought unbuffed that ragnarok would beat apoc vs hard mobs due to the crit bonus being such a huge advantage at low ranges of Pdif. I'm probably wrong but thats the only way I could ever see it happening.
Well i read on ffxi wiki that apocalyspe only has x2dmg proc
while ragnarok has a x2.5 dmg proc...
while ragnarok has a x2.5 dmg proc...
They also have very different base damage.
Since Scourge can't crit your DPS would be skewed over towards TP phase, where Apoc potentially has advantages in hitrate on the same targets along with the Haste boost. The swaps you can make in place of haste gear don't hurt either... it's something to think about but I'd still expect Apoc to win.
EDIT: That may be, but it's a fairly small increase to your DPS. ~50% of your damage in TP phase (doesn't proc on WS), 10% of that, then a 25% increase to that specific portion of your DPS... 1.25% increase overall. Not a huge factor in Ragnarok's favor, but I guess it's there.
EDIT: That may be, but it's a fairly small increase to your DPS. ~50% of your damage in TP phase (doesn't proc on WS), 10% of that, then a 25% increase to that specific portion of your DPS... 1.25% increase overall. Not a huge factor in Ragnarok's favor, but I guess it's there.
well if u do the math
apocalyspe (post magian) 110dmg
ragnarok (post magian) 95
110 x 2 = 220
95 x 2.5 = 237.5
so...iono
apocalyspe (post magian) 110dmg
ragnarok (post magian) 95
110 x 2 = 220
95 x 2.5 = 237.5
so...iono
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wait..why can't scourge not crit?
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I heard the best option on DRK Ragnarok was to ignore Scourge and stick with the massive DPS and Spinning Slash.
I'm certainly in no position to test that... but it seems to me that any theory that involves ignoring the Aftermath of the relic WS is just kind of..... wrong?
I'm certainly in no position to test that... but it seems to me that any theory that involves ignoring the Aftermath of the relic WS is just kind of..... wrong?
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:
well if u do the math apocalyspe (post magian) 110dmg ragnarok (post magian) 95 110 x 2 = 220 95 x 2.5 = 237.5 so...iono
Apoc wins because:
1. A+ weapon vs an A- weapon which is a difference of about
10accuracy/attack
2. Apocalypse gives you 10% gear haste using the WS which is much more significant in damage over time than + crit rate.
3. Apocalypse has 6 hit and the ability to chain aftermath; ragnarok does not(at least not that I've seen)
well i was just going off melee dmg not ws.
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:
well if u do the math
apocalyspe (post magian) 110dmg
ragnarok (post magian) 95
110 x 2 = 220
95 x 2.5 = 237.5
so...iono
apocalyspe (post magian) 110dmg
ragnarok (post magian) 95
110 x 2 = 220
95 x 2.5 = 237.5
so...iono
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:
wait..why can't scourge not crit?
Odin.Zicdeh said:
I heard the best option on DRK Ragnarok was to ignore Scourge and stick with the massive DPS and Spinning Slash.
I'm certainly in no position to test that... but it seems to me that any theory that involves ignoring the Aftermath of the relic WS is just kind of..... wrong?
I'm certainly in no position to test that... but it seems to me that any theory that involves ignoring the Aftermath of the relic WS is just kind of..... wrong?
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Odin.Zicdeh said:
I heard the best option on DRK Ragnarok was to ignore Scourge and stick with the massive DPS and Spinning Slash. I'm certainly in no position to test that... but it seems to me that any theory that involves ignoring the Aftermath of the relic WS is just kind of..... wrong?
I'm sure scourge hits harder than Spinning slash in situations where you don't need the Pdif modifier from Spinning Slash. I definately would not use scourge on HNM or simliar stuff; It would do 100-150ish damage tops.
I always thought Apocalypse Aftermath was 5% haste for some reason.
There's a hilarious Ragnarok DRK on Bahamut with a say macro for his Scourge where it's spelled "SCOUGE!" in caps.
Bismarck.Dracondria said:
There's a hilarious Ragnarok DRK on Bahamut with a say macro for his Scourge where it's spelled "SCOUGE!" in caps.
Rag drks are very special people.
He's Japanese too so he obviously doesn't know he's wrong.
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