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October 2023 Version Update
Fenrir.Velner
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By Fenrir.Velner 2023-10-26 06:32:48
Nothing. Just leave it.
Every content that has HP scaling isnt done in alliance. Whos doing Reisen HELM's in an alliance because "we need the alliance to kill it"? No one. Who was doing Delve in an alliance (after it was figured out) because "we need the alliance to kill it"? No one.
Whats easier? Dyna-D with 6 people or 18 people?
We do Aeonics as an alliance. . . we cleared 14 yesterday. 18 the run before. Are we doing it wrong??
By Taint 2023-10-26 07:54:46
Quetzalcoatl.Jakey said: »Odyssey I don't know maybe let us have subjobs, I feel like it would get a lot more involved trying to let alliances in with all the restrictions and such. Simply allowing subjobs would ad a lot more flexibility and interesting builds while also just generally making the fights easier. You can't really allow alliances in there.
Subjobs though? It's an interesting idea I gotta say.
What do you guys think the impact of that would be on the overall difficulty of Odyssey fights?
I think on some fights it would just be a small boost, but on others the difference could potentially be quite massive.
Not that I would complain, I think it's due they do some progressive adjustments to Odyssey accessibility/difficulty.
I mean I would be quite mad if they did that a couple of months after the first groups in the world struggled to finally get a win.
But this december it's gonna be one year since the release of V25. Sounds like a perfect time to release some QoL to Odyssey, if you ask me.
SJs would make the fights a good bit easier, but you would still need the correct strategy and jobs.
/DRG would be huge since hate becomes a real issue towards the end of T3s.
Fenrir.Jinxs
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By Fenrir.Jinxs 2023-10-26 08:33:13
New battlefield?
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By Asura.Shermansmith 2023-10-26 08:41:53
SE throwing curve balls!
Lakshmi.Buukki
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2023-10-26 08:42:57
Ashu Talif had great music and some (at the time) one-of-a-kind drops. it's good to see them still make new fights.
Asura.Sechs
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By Asura.Sechs 2023-10-26 08:57:40
Barbarossa Zerehs! <3
I dunno, Ashu Talif was incredibly good and incredibly annoying at the same time. Love & Hate from me.
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Bismarck.Nickeny
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By Bismarck.Nickeny 2023-10-26 09:51:29
Guys - the game is fixed -
I beat V25 Arebati - Working on my prime now... Worlds healing
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By Asura.Iamaman 2023-10-26 11:22:10
(would be fun for Sheol A/B/C though!)
I know this has a 0% chance of happening, but seeing a balanced Sheol for alliances would be really wild and fun I think. Technical issues aside, most decent groups are full clearing at this point, so some changeup (or balance) there would be nice.
Or hell, while we're talking about things that won't happen, why not make it spicy. Sheol D, allow alliances, 4 floors, each floor you full clear to spawn a random Gaol boss of the same tier (with v25 damage resistances) that has to be defeated to spawn the crystal. Kill bumba at the end or no bonus reward. I'd play the ***out of that and I'm sure it'd be amazing madness. Watching an alliance try to coordinate magic bursting Ongo to beat the time crunch for moving up sounds like a riot.
then again, we can barely pull together 6 people to do v25, so maybe not.
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By Asura.Splendid 2023-10-26 11:29:16
I mentioned this before, but I think content needs to be Walk of Echoes style where anyone can enter and get muffins, segs, RP. Albeit at a slower rate than doing the actual current content.
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Carbuncle.Maletaru
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2023-10-26 11:31:58
Watching an alliance try to coordinate magic bursting Ongo to beat the time crunch for moving up sounds like a riot.
Yeah, it sure would be hard to get 18 people to do something that 6 people can do. Imagine trying to "coordinate" a single person using 2 weapon skills and everyone blasting off nukes as fast as they can. What a laugh riot.
Imagine the segments and gil in D are better than A/B/C so everyone on small servers is whining about how they couldn't even get together 6 people and now all of a sudden they need to get 18 people together so they can get segments, and need to execute V25 fights in order to seg farm. People would be thrilled! Or the segments are worse than A/B/C so literally nobody does it and it was a waste of time.
Imagine having to prepare a melee blunt, melee slashing, piercing, and magic setups for T2/T3 clears, plus having a Bumba strategy ready. While also making sure to have enough crits to disable both Arebati & Xevioso in case they pop up. Oh, watch out, he has Glassy Nova.
This would be absolutely miserable.
Bismarck.Nickeny
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By Bismarck.Nickeny 2023-10-26 11:45:21
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »This would be absolutely miserable.
Misery likes company
Carbuncle.Nynja
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2023-10-26 12:15:25
Nothing. Just leave it.
Every content that has HP scaling isnt done in alliance. Whos doing Reisen HELM's in an alliance because "we need the alliance to kill it"? No one. Who was doing Delve in an alliance (after it was figured out) because "we need the alliance to kill it"? No one.
Whats easier? Dyna-D with 6 people or 18 people?
We do Aeonics as an alliance. . . we cleared 14 yesterday. 18 the run before. Are we doing it wrong??
Oh I can work with so much here
1-You dropped from 18 to 14 cause the 4 extra people werent needed (or werent there or quit or whatever reason). In general, were the fights easier or harder? Asking because I very clearly stated the reason of "we need the alliance to kill it".
2-14 people means that you have 2 people who are left in the dirt when it comes to Ody/Sortie
3-Did you need the 14 people, or was it just a LS group event?
4-The fact you had 14 means alliance driven content should still be alive and well
Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2023-10-26 12:28:10
Love new battlefields. Can anyone tell what zone the pudding is in?
Edit: Nevermind. Others said Ashu Talif. Cool!
Shiva.Flowen
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By Shiva.Flowen 2023-10-26 13:05:52
Love new battlefields. Can anyone tell what zone the pudding is in?
Edit: Nevermind. Others said Ashu Talif. Cool!
It appears to show the Ashu Talif. Connection to the VR story? Well the captiain of the Ashu Talif, Luzaf, is present in the last fight of VR. My bet is there is a series of areas (potentially valhallan versions) related to each npc who appears (cornelia, ragelise, lehko, fickblix and luzaf)
By Dodik 2023-10-26 13:13:27
I thought the game was in maintenance mode, what is going on.
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Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2023-10-26 13:13:28
Love new battlefields. Can anyone tell what zone the pudding is in?
Edit: Nevermind. Others said Ashu Talif. Cool!
It appears to show the Ashu Talif. Connection to the VR story? Well the captiain of the Ashu Talif, Luzaf, is present in the last fight of VR. My bet is there is a series of areas (potentially valhallan versions) related to each npc who appears (cornelia, ragelise, lehko, fickblix and luzaf)
I doubt it has any connection to the latest story, but them recently adding those red weapons could have something to do with it. Feels like SE remembered there are so many unused battlefields, and it has been years since we got one. Let's just hope the drop rates (screw Shinryu) aren't ridiculous.
I thought the game was in maintenance mode, what is going on.
One of the biggest gripes of getting Prime weapons is having nothing new to use them on. Even if they added a new HTB once every 4-6 months, it's encouraging players to improve so they can beat new content easier.
By Draylo 2023-10-26 13:15:32
I thought the game was in maintenance mode, what is going on.
Confirmed new expansión in the works to the far east.
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Asura.Saevel
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By Asura.Saevel 2023-10-26 13:16:22
Bahamut.Celebrindal said: »no need to scale HP of bosses,etc. Just scale down the muffin rewards, gently, for above 6.
I know for one I'd gladly invite a friend along for an 8 man run at 90% returns vs that guy never getting to run with a group, only to eventually quit.
Nah cause that just encourages hyper optimization. One vs six vs eighteen should have zero difference reward wise. If it's "easy" for eighteen, so freaking what, the game is twenty years old. If we wanted Dark Souls then we'll just go play Dark Souls.
Six people does the contents, three to five friends want to come along and have fun. We all get to chill, drink a few beers and laugh on discord while silliness ensues. Everyone finish's feeling great and laughing.
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Shiva.Flowen
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By Shiva.Flowen 2023-10-26 13:19:06
Love new battlefields. Can anyone tell what zone the pudding is in?
Edit: Nevermind. Others said Ashu Talif. Cool!
It appears to show the Ashu Talif. Connection to the VR story? Well the captiain of the Ashu Talif, Luzaf, is present in the last fight of VR. My bet is there is a series of areas (potentially valhallan versions) related to each npc who appears (cornelia, ragelise, lehko, fickblix and luzaf)
I doubt it has any connection to the latest story, but them recently adding those red weapons could have something to do with it. Feels like SE remembered there are so many unused battlefields, and it has been years since we got one (screw Shinryu). Let's just hope the drop rates aren't ridiculous.
I thought the game was in maintenance mode, what is going on.
One of the biggest gripes of getting Prime weapons is having nothing nothing new to use them on. Even if they added a new HTB once every 4-6 months, it's encouraging players to improve so they can beat new content easier.
I guess my assumption that this is VR end game type content is based on SE alluding to this a while back (and probably me being hopeful that this is more than another merit bcnm which crap drop rates!)
Shiva.Thorny
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By Shiva.Thorny 2023-10-26 13:22:02
Didn't they outright say they plan to add multiple master trials? Is there any reason to believe this won't just be another one? Try not to get your hopes up too high.
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Shiva.Flowen
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By Shiva.Flowen 2023-10-26 13:25:31
Didn't they outright say they plan to add multiple master trials? Is there any reason to believe this won't just be another one? Try not to get your hopes up too high.
Main reason - It says new battlefield and pretty certain they describe master trials as master trials, but it's not like SE works off a strict glossary of terms
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Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2023-10-26 13:27:39
Didn't they outright say they plan to add multiple master trials? Is there any reason to believe this won't just be another one? Try not to get your hopes up too high.
I believe that SE specifically calling it a "battlefield", and not a "master trial", is enough to assume it is a new high tier battlefield.
Traditionally, Master Trials are extremely buffed versions of previous storyline bosses (I know most of the HTBs also do this), but this is just a random fight with a pudding... which to me, leans far more toward a HTB. It would be a bit of a slap in the face to bring out two master trials one after another, when so many players want new content with non-lockstyle rewards.
Asura.Rekcuf
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By Asura.Rekcuf 2023-10-26 13:33:50
i think this is the best worst best game in the world
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Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2023-10-26 13:35:52
i think this is the best worst best game in the world
Ok?
Carbuncle.Nynja
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2023-10-26 13:42:16
Let's just hope the drop rates (screw Shinryu) aren't ridiculous. You mean you dont like 0.001% drop rates?
edit: it might be closer to 0.005%
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By Bosworth 2023-10-26 13:49:13
If the content cadence amounts to a new HTMB every 3-4 months, I'm cool with that
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Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2023-10-26 13:53:17
If the content cadence amounts to a new HTMB every 3-4 months, I'm cool with that
Would you really be ok with content you do 10 times for 1 drop the first day and nothing else for 120 days. (or content you do 1000 times, get no drop from)
Kinda depressing. Better than how it has been, but still.
By Bosworth 2023-10-26 13:58:31
If the content cadence amounts to a new HTMB every 3-4 months, I'm cool with that
Would you really be ok with content you do 10 times for 1 drop the first day and nothing else for 120 days. (or content you do 1000 times, get no drop from)
Kinda depressing. Better than how it has been, but still.
When it's that or nothing, yes I'm ok with it. If you keep your expectations in check, you can't really be disappointed
Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2023-10-26 14:23:10
Drop rates can be fair. Not overly common. Not stupidly rare to the point of giving up. If you rock up and get all the drops in a day, it is far too common. If you spend every day for an entire year and maybe get one or two of the rare drops (only if you're lucky), then that's not right, either. The dreaded word again. Balance.
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Valefor.Philemon
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By Valefor.Philemon 2023-10-26 15:40:38
If we're talking about fair drop rates, something along the model of the Odin/Alexander/Cait Sith HTBCs is pretty reasonable.
Patch Notes
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/61169
Items
New Items - https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/October_2023_Version_Update_Changes
No big update today, so no stream and items will be updated on BG in the morning. I am making this thread to keep up the tradition of these always getting derailed.
Update: Ethereal weapons added. The red weapons from the final TVR BCNM. Link: https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/57501/october-2023-version-update/1/#3680182
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