Thinking about that and reading Mischief's group reports, I've been wondering if the Drop Rate of Meso from Aminon is really that low or if it's more or less "in line" with the drop rate of the other 3 *drite stones.
I mean, the fact that Meso can drop from a single source whereas the other stones can drop from a plethora of sources, just that fact alone would seriously skew the final drop rate %, but the "drop rate % per single objective" number might actually be similar, no?
What do you guys think about it?
Stage 4 Prime Weapon's Effect On Sortie
Stage 4 Prime Weapon's effect on Sortie
Last i read they were 4/6 in mesodrite, meaning that meso is pretty common and no issue ar all for stage 5.
But that also kinda kills the purpose of animon hard mode, as, after you get the drop, you can farm the rest of gallys in normal mode.
Given that, i suppose at some point they will buff animon rewards to incentivate people to go out of their way to farm it, even if you already have the drops.
Buffing its gally reward to 100k+ would be fair.
But that also kinda kills the purpose of animon hard mode, as, after you get the drop, you can farm the rest of gallys in normal mode.
Given that, i suppose at some point they will buff animon rewards to incentivate people to go out of their way to farm it, even if you already have the drops.
Buffing its gally reward to 100k+ would be fair.
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Since they're also buffing hard mode aminon at this time, I do wonder if the Meso drop rate will be increased as well.
Have you met SE?
Judging from how SE reacted to the players complaints about the "Surprise!" enraged bosses ("fine no more enrage unless you select it for the final boss but FU, we added -25% DT to said boss that only a few players have killed"), I would assume that the drop rate would be lowered.
As we have seen, SE truly believes that increasing the difficulty does not merit better rewards.
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drakefs said: »
As we have seen, SE truly believes that increasing the difficulty does not merit better rewards.
I think the outrage mob would have been a lot smaller and quieter if there was some added benefit to dealing with the enraged bosses. How Fujito actually thought that ninja-spiking the difficulty with no added rewards was a good idea that the players would accept is *** mind boggling.
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They've bent over and took everything else.
The surprising part wasn't that they did it, it's that a couple people actually didn't instantly bend over and say yes daddy. Most of you would've just kept going, complaining under your breath to no one.
Increasingly shittier decisions as long as you keep accepting them. Don't be shocked if meso drop rate is lowered. Basement was supposed to hinder you, with that gone something else has to.
The surprising part wasn't that they did it, it's that a couple people actually didn't instantly bend over and say yes daddy. Most of you would've just kept going, complaining under your breath to no one.
Increasingly shittier decisions as long as you keep accepting them. Don't be shocked if meso drop rate is lowered. Basement was supposed to hinder you, with that gone something else has to.
the whole prime weapon thing is the main reason so many people quit. the stage 4 thing just doubled down on it.
SE is so anti consumer right now that even the new content that comes out doesn't do anything. Game needs QOL changes and they wanna sell plushies
SE is so anti consumer right now that even the new content that comes out doesn't do anything. Game needs QOL changes and they wanna sell plushies
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I wouldn't call it a "Ninja Buff"... They flat out said, in cryptic SE fashion, that people would find the last stage harsh in one of those dumb videos. People just assumed it was because of the amount of gally.
This is it folks, there's nothing on the horizon. They got rid of the developers. Finishing your prime weapon is basically beating the game. So they made it ridiculously difficult. Be grateful, you can finally move on to other things once you're done torturing yourself.
This is it folks, there's nothing on the horizon. They got rid of the developers. Finishing your prime weapon is basically beating the game. So they made it ridiculously difficult. Be grateful, you can finally move on to other things once you're done torturing yourself.
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the whole prime weapon thing is the main reason so many people quit. the stage 4 thing just doubled down on it.
The games age is a bigger factor if you ask me. The veterans like myself have already completed all the major story arcs and done all the content multiple times over. When the game gets stale people find other things to do. I took a two year break when 14 first launched to play that instead of 11 because we had a major content drought here at the time, aka the voidwatch era. I came back to find a new dynamis, JSE necks, lillith gear, and several other new things to grind.
The scope of new content we've had since 2020 is exactly odyssey, sortie, and the VR storyline. Now that players are finishing up with most of those things there's only so much to hold player interest. New content is what keeps people coming back. With the suspension of development it's only a matter of time before people get bored for good.
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Asura.Sechs said: »
Thinking about that and reading Mischief's group reports, I've been wondering if the Drop Rate of Meso from Aminon is really that low or if it's more or less "in line" with the drop rate of the other 3 *drite stones.
I mean, the fact that Meso can drop from a single source whereas the other stones can drop from a plethora of sources, just that fact alone would seriously skew the final drop rate %, but the "drop rate % per single objective" number might actually be similar, no?
What do you guys think about it?
I mean, the fact that Meso can drop from a single source whereas the other stones can drop from a plethora of sources, just that fact alone would seriously skew the final drop rate %, but the "drop rate % per single objective" number might actually be similar, no?
What do you guys think about it?
Just for more clarification on the drop rate, we have only had 2 Meso drops in 10 or so fights. It's still far too early to estimate a drop rate, but the outlook doesn't appear to be as good as we had initially hoped.
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Just had a random thought:
What if they add level 3 properties to stage 5 prime weapons?
Sneaky Fujito has been playing an A+ troll game with patch data. They could update the files the month that we technically have enough psyches to complete.
2h weapons can already smash into damage cap hard, but 1h weapons could make up a lot of ground with being able to double close the level 3 property they generally lack.
Imperator numbers might not blow me away, but compared to Requiescat Umbras, it's a dream come true. I would probably look at 1h Primes with a lot more interest.
However without an AM gimmick or an appropriate level 1 sc lead in, you'd get stuck into 2 step level 3s instead of a 4 step.
Edit: only the bow lacks an appropriate level 1 sc property that would let you link in and use all 4 of the SC properties in succession.
What if they add level 3 properties to stage 5 prime weapons?
Sneaky Fujito has been playing an A+ troll game with patch data. They could update the files the month that we technically have enough psyches to complete.
2h weapons can already smash into damage cap hard, but 1h weapons could make up a lot of ground with being able to double close the level 3 property they generally lack.
Imperator numbers might not blow me away, but compared to Requiescat Umbras, it's a dream come true. I would probably look at 1h Primes with a lot more interest.
However without an AM gimmick or an appropriate level 1 sc lead in, you'd get stuck into 2 step level 3s instead of a 4 step.
Edit: only the bow lacks an appropriate level 1 sc property that would let you link in and use all 4 of the SC properties in succession.
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Asura.Sechs said: »
Thinking about that and reading Mischief's group reports, I've been wondering if the Drop Rate of Meso from Aminon is really that low or if it's more or less "in line" with the drop rate of the other 3 *drite stones.
I mean, the fact that Meso can drop from a single source whereas the other stones can drop from a plethora of sources, just that fact alone would seriously skew the final drop rate %, but the "drop rate % per single objective" number might actually be similar, no?
What do you guys think about it?
I mean, the fact that Meso can drop from a single source whereas the other stones can drop from a plethora of sources, just that fact alone would seriously skew the final drop rate %, but the "drop rate % per single objective" number might actually be similar, no?
What do you guys think about it?
Just for more clarification on the drop rate, we have only had 2 Meso drops in 10 or so fights. It's still far too early to estimate a drop rate, but the outlook doesn't appear to be as good as we had initially hoped.
Phoenix.Iocus said: »
Just had a random thought:
What if they add level 3 properties to stage 5 prime weapons?
What if they add level 3 properties to stage 5 prime weapons?
Ragnarok.Martel said: »
Phoenix.Iocus said: »
Just had a random thought:
What if they add level 3 properties to stage 5 prime weapons?
What if they add level 3 properties to stage 5 prime weapons?
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Skillchains are unnecessarily complicated.
I guess if they had 4 properties, but no ws has Quaternary properties.
Or if it was 2/2/3 instead of 1/1/2. Every ws except prime start with the highest tier.
Fusion/Frag/Light3 would 3 step double light
But if primes were 2/2/3 every prime would skillchain with every prime.
I guess if they had 4 properties, but no ws has Quaternary properties.
Or if it was 2/2/3 instead of 1/1/2. Every ws except prime start with the highest tier.
Fusion/Frag/Light3 would 3 step double light
But if primes were 2/2/3 every prime would skillchain with every prime.
Fenrir.Ahlen said: »
Ragnarok.Martel said: »
Phoenix.Iocus said: »
Just had a random thought:
What if they add level 3 properties to stage 5 prime weapons?
What if they add level 3 properties to stage 5 prime weapons?
Listing order means nothing, WS's will have properties set in A/B/C slots and apply all of them at once. Then the linking WS will first check A slot, then B slot, then C slot. The standard so far, by every other WS in the game, has been to put the SC effects in decreasing order.
So while it's possible to put them in a different sequence, it would be departing from everything seen so far and would have to be tested individually.
Asura.Saevel said: »
The standard so far, by every other WS in the game, has been to put the SC effects in decreasing order.
So while it's possible to put them in a different sequence, it would be departing from everything seen so far and would have to be tested individually.
So while it's possible to put them in a different sequence, it would be departing from everything seen so far and would have to be tested individually.
You literally has increasing order in front of you. Every Prime WS has increasing order and order obviously matters. You provide your guesses like it was facts.. again.
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We killed enraged Aminon with PLD/SCH DRK/DRG (Fimbulvetr) RDM/DRK (Black Halo) GEO/DRK (Dagda) BRD/DNC (Savage Blade) COR/DNC (Savage Blade).
We pretty much followed Mischief strat but we didn't kite Aminon and only had 3 players doing Absorb-TP. I don't think Aminon gets more TP when he hits the tank for zero damage, it's just a normal Regain. The fight took us 25 min (this was our first attempt) and felt easy.
We pretty much followed Mischief strat but we didn't kite Aminon and only had 3 players doing Absorb-TP. I don't think Aminon gets more TP when he hits the tank for zero damage, it's just a normal Regain. The fight took us 25 min (this was our first attempt) and felt easy.
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Carbuncle.Papesse said: »
We killed enraged Aminon with PLD/SCH DRK/DRG (Fimbulvetr) RDM/DRK (Black Halo) GEO/DRK (Dagda) BRD/DNC (Savage Blade) COR/DNC (Savage Blade).
We pretty much followed Mischief strat but we didn't kite Aminon and only had 3 players doing Absorb-TP. I don't think Aminon gets more TP when he hits the tank for zero damage, it's just a normal Regain. The fight took us 25 min (this was our first attempt) and felt easy.
We pretty much followed Mischief strat but we didn't kite Aminon and only had 3 players doing Absorb-TP. I don't think Aminon gets more TP when he hits the tank for zero damage, it's just a normal Regain. The fight took us 25 min (this was our first attempt) and felt easy.
This is great news and would provide a great sense of relief for a lot of people, my group included...
Did you just stand still the whole time? Did he ever get any TP moves off? Engaging for TP, or just using Absorbs and Tact to get TP? Was the PLD taking 0 consistently? Any fetters? Any other things to look out for? Did you have SV the whole time (Wild Card reset), or just a single SV?
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Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »
Carbuncle.Papesse said: »
We killed enraged Aminon with PLD/SCH DRK/DRG (Fimbulvetr) RDM/DRK (Black Halo) GEO/DRK (Dagda) BRD/DNC (Savage Blade) COR/DNC (Savage Blade).
We pretty much followed Mischief strat but we didn't kite Aminon and only had 3 players doing Absorb-TP. I don't think Aminon gets more TP when he hits the tank for zero damage, it's just a normal Regain. The fight took us 25 min (this was our first attempt) and felt easy.
We pretty much followed Mischief strat but we didn't kite Aminon and only had 3 players doing Absorb-TP. I don't think Aminon gets more TP when he hits the tank for zero damage, it's just a normal Regain. The fight took us 25 min (this was our first attempt) and felt easy.
This is great news and would provide a great sense of relief for a lot of people, my group included...
Did you just stand still the whole time? Did he ever get any TP moves off? Engaging for TP, or just using Absorbs and Tact to get TP? Was the PLD taking 0 consistently? Any fetters? Any other things to look out for? Did you have SV the whole time (Wild Card reset), or just a single SV?
We only used Tact roll, Absorb-TP, QD and Impact to get TP.
Yes, the PLD was taking 0 dmg with Stoneskin and Aegis, he took 1 hit for 22 dmg 2 hits for 28 dmg, I imagine that's what Aminon normaly does when Stoneskin is off. He was curing us too since we were often in range of melee hits.
We used SV songs 10 min after the first Distract and got it back with WC but Aminon was nearly dead. We had Aria song instead of Minuet4 but between the -25% DT and WS wall it's hard to tell if we were really attack capped.
Surprisingly enough, the GEO did a lot damage with Dagda.
I wished. Dagda is barely better than Judgment and only if the 2 hits connect it seems, what a huge disappointment.
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We did the fight pld/run brd/dnc cor/drk drk/drg rdm/drk geo/drk geo fury fraitly entrust precision. Even cor could land absorb tp with threnody and frazzle. We only let him do void we found no point to letting him do bane at all. You need about 1223 acc before food / buffs / ionis to cap acc assuming you buff honor march + double madrigal + stewpot.
Dark was doing most of the dmg impact gave tons of TP if u have good occult set. Since origin / cross reaper dmg goes way up at high tp values it's very useful.
Dark was doing most of the dmg impact gave tons of TP if u have good occult set. Since origin / cross reaper dmg goes way up at high tp values it's very useful.
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About the topic, has the enrage/hard mode been removed from the basement bosses EFGH, for having a stage 4 prime? Thought someone posted that it was not changed in the September update.
Siren.Reyden said: »
About the topic, has the enrage/hard mode been removed from the basement bosses EFGH, for having a stage 4 prime? Thought someone posted that it was not changed in the September update.
Only an option for Aminon
It wasn't an option before the update.
Was it removed for EFGH, yes or no?
Was it removed for EFGH, yes or no?
There is no such thing as hard mode basement anymore
Kinda sad how many wont ever get the thrill of this fun.
SE being elitist, only the cool kids got the joy
SE being elitist, only the cool kids got the joy
"hard mode" made no difference. It just meant you lost an extra 30 seconds running away from 1 extra tp move.
They just wanted to complain about it.
(You got nothing extra from it, so it's a valid complaint, but that's all, just a complaint. It wasn't actually "harder")
They just wanted to complain about it.
(You got nothing extra from it, so it's a valid complaint, but that's all, just a complaint. It wasn't actually "harder")
I know this complaint will go nowhere because SE is not listening. But I am really disappointed with the mage prime weapons weapons - at least from a Scholar perspective. Changing all my sets to keep the weapon on in order to maintain TP and aftermath is a real pain and degrades sets like Regen which use Musa or aquaveil which uses the club, or fast cast sets which use Musa.
And on top of all of that the bunzi rod+apu shield are still better unless AM is up.
Considering the grind for Prime Weapons - the reward should be better for mages.
Ok I feel better venting( a little )
And on top of all of that the bunzi rod+apu shield are still better unless AM is up.
Considering the grind for Prime Weapons - the reward should be better for mages.
Ok I feel better venting( a little )
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Shiva.Larrymc said: »
I know this complaint will go nowhere because SE is not listening. But I am really disappointed with the mage prime weapons weapons - at least from a Scholar perspective. Changing all my sets to keep the weapon on in order to maintain TP and aftermath is a real pain and degrades sets like Regen which use Musa or aquaveil which uses the club, or fast cast sets which use Musa.
And on top of all of that the bunzi rod+apu shield are still better unless AM is up.
Considering the grind for Prime Weapons - the reward should be better for mages.
Ok I feel better venting( a little )
And on top of all of that the bunzi rod+apu shield are still better unless AM is up.
Considering the grind for Prime Weapons - the reward should be better for mages.
Ok I feel better venting( a little )
I think the Prime Staff is certainly a step in the right direction for BLM/SCH/SMN personally. But, I agree with you that there should be a bit more job-specific incentive for each weapon. I was always upset SCH never got a weapon that offers an extra stratagem OR perhaps a new ability in the category of Light/Dark Arts. I mean, why is BRD the only job that gets new spells (Aria of Passion, Honor March, etc.) as the incentive. Prime Shields too, should grant "Shield Toss" while we're at it.
How is that any different from Laev or Tups though?
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
How is that any different from Laev or Tups though?
I have a Tups and never use it ...
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