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By Asura.Pergatory 2025-02-03 14:35:44
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Mage 5-man should be safe, but you're going to have to squeeze every drop to avoid running out of stratagems with only 1 SCH on the basement bosses. That includes COR & RUN extending skillchains as much as possible. Without top gear this could be problematic.

I could see maybe dropping the BLM instead for an easier time of it? RUN COR SCH SCH GEO? Fights would be slower but you'd have way more staying power and room for error.
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By Bismarck.Drakelth 2025-02-03 15:04:27
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All these groups doing 8 boss kited fights are you also getting all the nms and a wkr most runs?
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By Taint 2025-02-03 15:26:10
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Bismarck.Drakelth said: »
All these groups doing 8 boss kited fights are you also getting all the nms and a wkr most runs?

Our group does 9/9 Aurum and Naaks most every night. We are currently on a good streak of 9/9 w/ Hardmode, Aurum and Naaks.

Rarely the same 6 players but always the same route.

PLD,DNC,RDM,COR,BRD,GEO

H Kite - Grav2 +IndiGrav
G Straight Tank. PLD - 5.5' - G - Rest of party at max melee
F Kite - Grav2
E Kite - Grav2

RDM needs a max potency Grav set to make this work well.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-02-03 17:15:16
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Taint said: »
RDM needs a max potency Grav set to make this work well.

Just a note, I've observed this from RDMs with both JSE+1 and the JSE +2 neck, and it can be done pretty much just the same with HQ1. Of course, more potency is better (slower moving mob), but in case someone doesn't have the +2 neck, you can still do the kite/gravity method just fine. If you're scared about it moving too fast, entrust a Gravity for F or E to make up the difference.
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By Phoenix.Gavroches 2025-02-03 18:05:03
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not sure how you can fit more than 9/9 HQ and piggy... that's tight enough. we usually KI by 56, Top floor 40, 20 to E/Aminon, 2-3 min to spare, so yeah stream it ^ ^
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By Taint 2025-02-03 19:59:48
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
Taint said: »
RDM needs a max potency Grav set to make this work well.

Just a note, I've observed this from RDMs with both JSE+1 and the JSE +2 neck, and it can be done pretty much just the same with HQ1. Of course, more potency is better (slower moving mob), but in case someone doesn't have the +2 neck, you can still do the kite/gravity method just fine. If you're scared about it moving too fast, entrust a Gravity for F or E to make up the difference.


Yeah I should have been more clear. A Potency Focused set vs a duration focused set.
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By Taint 2025-02-03 20:05:34
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Phoenix.Gavroches said: »
not sure how you can fit more than 9/9 HQ and piggy... that's tight enough. we usually KI by 56, Top floor 40, 20 to E/Aminon, 2-3 min to spare, so yeah stream it ^ ^


Thats about our same timing to be honest, Aminon NQ takes us 4-5 minutes, Hardmode 6-8.

We do KIs (DD if close) D > H, Ghost CBA > BRD/RDM/COR kill leech, DNC kills Pig, PLD/GEO pull DD if he's still up. F > G > E > Aminon. We need 3:30+ left to fit in Naaks. F Naaks, PLD aggro pulls them all. Bee > Bird > Shark > Tree > Rex > Lion.

I bet we've done this exact run with a dozen+ different players, even shout replacements. We are not an exclusive 6 member team.
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2025-02-03 20:15:09
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Phoenix.Gavroches said: »
not sure how you can fit more than 9/9 HQ and piggy... that's tight enough. we usually KI by 56, Top floor 40, 20 to E/Aminon, 2-3 min to spare, so yeah stream it ^ ^

Don't get me wrong here, I think it's possible to do what Taint is claiming and to do it reasonably reliably, but when people talk about really extreme stuff I always assume at least some of what I would consider cheating. To be clear, I'm also not talking SPECIFICALLY about Taint or anyone in particular.

I'd say it's extremely difficult, if not impossible, to do these high-end runs without things like:

-FastCS
-Superwarp
-Sortiebuddy
-Anchor

And of course Gearswap, but we don't need to get into that whole thing. I don't think you can reliably clear 9 bosses + Naakuals and minis without the crap above, TBH. I'd love to see someone stream it for a week straight, but I don't have any faith that anyone ever will.

We don't need to derail this into ANOTHER cheating thread, but if these things permit you to clear extra content and you couldn't do it without them, I think it's hard to say they're QoL and not cheating.

You do you, I'm not telling anyone not to cheat, but I do think this should provide some perspective to those who are comparing themselves to groups with fantastical claims.

It obviously still requires a lot of skill and coordination, but if you're not using those things you shouldn't (can't?) expect those results.
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By Asura.Lunafreya 2025-02-03 20:17:28
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Not this convo again....
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2025-02-03 20:36:06
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Asura.Lunafreya said: »
Not this convo again....

Happy to be proven wrong, I look forward to watching your streams. I think I'm being perfectly civil here.

I think it's important when people are comparing themselves against other groups that they keep in mind all the factors involved. If someone reads this thread and their group doesn't use all the ***I listed, I don't think they've got a snowball's chance in hell at (consistently) performing that run. They should be aware of that so they aren't trying to figure out why they're not able to accomplish what other groups can.

This forum has for a long time been a place for people to exchange knowledge about how to improve their runs. There's a lot of good info about how to save time, which routes to take, etc. but you can follow all of that and still not be able to do what other people are doing, because you're missing the cheats.

Again, I already said it in my previous post but: do whatever the hell you want. You can use any program on the planet if you want. The message of my post isn't "you shouldn't cheat." All I'm saying is, make sure to compare apples to apples when you're trying to figure out where to save time or how much you should be achieving. This, in my opinion, includes the level of cheating that your group is doing compared to the group you're comparing against.

If you can't watch their runs and they have incredible claims, I would say it's safe to assume they're using absolutely every tool at their fingertips to save time. I didn't bring up tako because I think that one's a little more on the fringe, but also maybe tako (in some groups' cases).
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By Asura.Dexprozius 2025-02-03 21:10:34
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Well your basically asking people to stream HARD vanilla, since any amount of 3rd party, even non invasive ones like overlays or dat swaps for buff icons can be deemed banworthy, assuming enough people report them. Broadcasting yourself using Anything, regardless how benign is a risk people arnt willing to take.

Now that being said, Of COURSE the more cheats you use, the more benefits you reap. I don't think anyone's arguing that.

Where I'd clash with you a little is the degree to which these addons save you time, to the point that your question if its even possible without.

The largest factor of anything, bar none, is the location of bitzers.... good bitzer luck means faster runs, nuff said. Of course something like SortieBuddy (as far as i'm aware this tool is HEAVILY bannable/detectable and I dont know a soul who uses or advocates for it anymore) or alternatives that find the bitzer for you will save the most time, specifically on the 2 floors where you need to dedicate the PLD or 1st down to go hunting for it on the off path. But the process of running the circle of the offpath should only take like 2 minutes? so 4 minutes or so to do it on both F and D. Of course that time is significant to get something like Naaks, but its not critical to success.

The 2nd biggest factor I'd argue for a fast run, is your Aminon kill speed. Getting it down to 4-5mins is critical for consistency. Before you argue Anchor or w/e, I'm very uncomfortable with Anchor personally. I don't police people on where they draw the line in the sand obviously, but whether your teammates use it or not, its not necessary. Its extremely simple to plant the PLD on the wall and move forward before WSing. All the DDs should be on Aminon's *** anyway to get cleaved as much as possible and receive extra TP. Time your Absorb TPs better?

Admittedly Fast CS is noticeable. When I play with people that Do and Dont use it, the gap between them arriving to the boss is up to 5+ seconds per, despite leaving at the same time as each other. This quickly adds up. Atleast a minute per run.

I cant speak on superwarp? I dont use it, and I literally cant tell if someone else uses it. If they're skipping the menu to zone at a bitzer, it'd probably only save a second or 2? Of course that's not nothing... but very insignificant when compared to the other points.

And finally, the whole GS thing is kind of beating a dead horse, which you've acknowledged.

We're talking a 4-8minute time save depending on the degree of things you use. Obviously, and not mentioned, if you're Psychopathic enough to use Tako as well you'd be alot faster, but I think any sane person who wants to keep their account wouldn't dare. Yes, certainly this eliminates an extra 1-2k galli "opportunity" depending on what you end with each run, but I think for alot of groups who are fast/skilled this means losing a chance at a 2nd set of Naaks or the 15 flans.

The ability to 9 boss Normal mode + minis + your choice of extracurricular activity should certainly be possible... but I'd venture to guess 100% reliant on lucky bitzer locations or fast discovery.

Personally, my group spends Extra time at the start (getting to D between 52 or 50, rather than 55ish) to kill all 6 fomors in order, finding ghost, finding pig, and when possible the Deleterious as well to take full advantage of the fact that the players are off in those quadrants already. the BRD/PLD doing fomors can scan the north room for Dele while the RDM runs south and does acuex + scans for Dele in that area. Getting Metals saves time for the RDM rebuffing and just makes things cleaner, at the cost of slightly more time. We may get slightly less points than groups who skip to focus on Naaks, but I find doing these things on the front end saves us a little time on the back end, and makes getting the minis a more consistent venture, if you're looking to do it daily.

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I think at the end of the day.. we're mostly on the same page. I just feel like this boils down to some sort of purity test where the answer always goads someone to stream or they're deemed not worthy. I just find that kinda dumb. The way the game is these days people should just do what they're comfortable with and acknowledge the more you use the more you risk your account, despite any minor benefits in the short term. If we see eye to eye on that, than the argument seems unnecessary.
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2025-02-03 21:51:51
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Asura.Dexprozius said: »

I agree with your edit, I think we agree on almost everything.

I would say: if someone posted a video of them doing a run of Sortie I, personally, would never nitpick things like parsers, equipviewer, etc. I've said in the past I think they provide an advantage and I wouldn't use them, but I don't think they're a factor in a Sortie run, realistically.

I mention the streaming because of all the other things I listed above which, as we both agree, make your run much faster and should be considered when comparing runs to each other.

Nobody has to stream, just answer people in your ffxiah posts which of the addons you use that increase the speed of your run if they ask. If people aren't streaming or showing a video of them doing something and won't talk about it, then assume they're using this ***, that's all I'm saying. IDGAF what you use, but be honest with people so they know what is required to get the times you're doing.

Edit to add: as I've said here and elsewhere, I don't think anyone "isn't worthy" or is a bad player because they use these things. These achievements are still very difficult to accomplish and require lots of skill, gear, etc. I do think that people tend to downplay the impact, especially combined impact, of all this stuff though. A minute or two here or there is literally the difference between another boss kill, Naakuals, mini bosses, etc. so...pretending that 10 seconds here or there isn't a big deal, when multiplying that by the dozens of bitzers you interact with, cutscenes you go through, and times you have to click things, is disingenuous.

I counted a hypothetical 9 boss run using the route my group takes and assuming just killing all 9 bosses with no minis or naakuals, I use teleporters 32 times. If you save even 5 seconds each, that's almost 3 minutes of free time. I think 5 seconds is extremely generous. Add on a minute or two for H and F not wandering around looking for a bitzer, and knowing exactly where all the minis are, and baby you've got yourself 5+ minutes per run, easily.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-02-03 21:54:57
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Taint said: »
Yeah I should have been more clear. A Potency Focused set vs a duration focused set.

i knew what you meant, but wanted to make sure readers did too.

Phoenix.Gavroches said: »
not sure how you can fit more than 9/9 HQ and piggy... that's tight enough. we usually KI by 56, Top floor 40, 20 to E/Aminon, 2-3 min to spare, so yeah stream it ^ ^

Anyways, without getting into the whole "look at all the addons you're running" discussion, I think it's ok to acknowledge people's ability to get better/faster/more efficient with things the more they do it. If everyone in the group is sporting a Stage 5 Prime and is ML45-50 or whatever, V30 Odyssey gear and have the execution down, it's not unreasonable to assume someone can hit those objectives. I don't know what stuff everyone is running, but I have subbed into very efficient 9-boss Aminon runs where they were able to clear all of what Taint said, the difference is Aminon was normal and not HM. I've noted some efficiencies in several groups I have joined, and everyone does things slightly different.

For example, some groups skillchain bosses to maximize damage. I've seen some groups fight all of the minis along their original starting path (like Bhoot (pull 3 corse+bhoot, sleep all at device), Deleterious (then kill 3), etc), hitting the wayward ones along whatever route they are running. COR stays in the main kill group to always bolters people. Some people kill Naraka/Botulus because they feel it actually speeds up their run or allows them to tank E or not have to worry about Haunt (which I have personally seen in good groups who can kill it in like 30s). The part Taint said about mass pulling Naakual is true too, dead in a minute or so.

Device locations are the only luck factor which can ruin your time, so there's nothing you can do about that (unless you know which direction it's in)

Lastly, let's not forget if people are running this every day for the past year+ for a St5, they've run these routes, what, 100+ times? That's an insane amount of repetition; you'd get good at it completely by accident. So I think groups could certainly be able to pull it off without any aids whatsoever. Consistently would an unreasonable expectation just off of the device factor alone (you'd have to always have one person check offpath ahead of time to stay on schedule). Whether or not anyone is actually doing every one of these events in the game (ML, Segs, Sortie, V25s, Master Trials) completely vanilla, i mean, lol.
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By Taint 2025-02-04 06:45:31
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Superwarp and Sortiebuddy have gotten people banned. I 100% wouldn't touch that and I think it would be obvious to the other players if someone did.

Good bitzers are key, we had shitty ones last night and didn't have time to pop the Naak chest.

The mini's always end up in the same spots so they are actually quite easy. DD will cross your path sometimes while farming KIs. Otherwise he will be in the big room near D bitzer about half way into the run. Aggro pull with PLD and run the group to the D bitzer and warp, they are very slow to draw their weapons making this easy. We use the GEO to pull DD off the pack while everyone else is gathering.

Bhoot will be in the corpse room, Pig in the fire elemental room and Obdella in the square north of start. If you use our kill order above this is true 98% of the time.

We also use PLD to search the "wing" or off path. This allows the rest of the party to buff since the PLD is a minute or two behind. We also do Double marcato songs at F to speed him up.

Instead of streaming I'd be more than happy to take you sometime with our group, we are always looking for fill ins.
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By SimonSes 2025-02-04 07:17:08
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Taint said: »
Superwarp and Sortiebuddy have gotten people banned.

No idea what's Sortiebuddy, but were people really banned for Superwarp, while just warping to places they have obtained access for? Or was it just being stupid and warp to places, then unlocking crystal after?
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-02-04 07:31:19
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From my understanding, among all the innocent things it does, it can also detect the location of the Bitzer without you being anywhere near it, which is definitely not doable natively.

I dont think superwarp is high risk anymore.
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By Phoenix.Gavroches 2025-02-04 08:19:01
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I’m more amazed how much time difference there is between taint and us. That’s what shocked me. FC/tako/other addon I have no idea existed is not what make the difference unless all 6 use it, and there’s always a few that don’t, so that’s not where the difference come from. I’m not sure, we use mostly same strat (we do different path ABCDFGHEaminon) so maybe there’s a minute there, but once again you still have to walk the exact same distance no matter how you shake it, taint posted no geo gravity for F but even that would not make the big difference, most NM dies within a roll time, I don’t know maybe I’m discounting something that add up. His claim of NQ/HQ kill speed is definitely speedier (I think it’s more like 8/10 min for our group), that interest me for example, not the addon gossip as those don’t kill aminon. I’m all ear.
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By Bismarck.Drakelth 2025-02-04 08:49:37
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Taint said: »
Bismarck.Drakelth said: »
All these groups doing 8 boss kited fights are you also getting all the nms and a wkr most runs?

Our group does 9/9 Aurum and Naaks most every night. We are currently on a good streak of 9/9 w/ Hardmode, Aurum and Naaks.

Rarely the same 6 players but always the same route.

PLD,DNC,RDM,COR,BRD,GEO

H Kite - Grav2 +IndiGrav
G Straight Tank. PLD - 5.5' - G - Rest of party at max melee
F Kite - Grav2
E Kite - Grav2

RDM needs a max potency Grav set to make this work well.

I may not of been clear, i was more asking towards non aminon melee runs. We do dx2 brd cor rdm whm, I would expect someone doing 8 boss kite would drop a dps for pld possible. I was more asking towards those runs if kiting was more efficient then an extra dps and presumably quicker kills.
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By Taint 2025-02-04 09:31:55
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Phoenix.Gavroches said: »
I’m more amazed how much time difference there is between taint and us. That’s what shocked me. FC/tako/other addon I have no idea existed is not what make the difference unless all 6 use it, and there’s always a few that don’t, so that’s not where the difference come from. I’m not sure, we use mostly same strat (we do different path ABCDFGHEaminon) so maybe there’s a minute there, but once again you still have to walk the exact same distance no matter how you shake it, taint posted no geo gravity for F but even that would not make the big difference, most NM dies within a roll time, I don’t know maybe I’m discounting something that add up. His claim of NQ/HQ kill speed is definitely speedier (I think it’s more like 8/10 min for our group), that interest me for example, not the addon gossip as those don’t kill aminon. I’m all ear.


Our times are not far off at all based on your post above. We got to E last night at 18:xx. (I took SSs but am at work right now) You said you get there about 20. Our Aurum mobs take maybe 3min total for all 4 and we do them in the middle of the run with 2/3 being done at the same time after A. We killed HM Aminon with 4:15 left but E bitzer wasn't in flans and the extra running took enough time we killed the Naaks in F but timed out before the chest popped.

I think we just had a couple small tweaks that your group could easily do to make up the 1-2 minutes that allows Aurum+Naaks. Saving 2-3 minutes on Aminon alone is enough to fit in Naaks during a lot of runs.

Edit: Re-read your post. You said you kill Aminon with 2-3 minutes to spare and take 8-10 minutes on Aminon. Get your Aminon time down 2-3 minutes and you'll have tons of time for Naaks. Our fastest Naak time was with 3:30 remaining and a good bitzer in the flan room.
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By Taint 2025-02-04 09:34:07
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Bismarck.Drakelth said: »
Taint said: »
Bismarck.Drakelth said: »
All these groups doing 8 boss kited fights are you also getting all the nms and a wkr most runs?

Our group does 9/9 Aurum and Naaks most every night. We are currently on a good streak of 9/9 w/ Hardmode, Aurum and Naaks.

Rarely the same 6 players but always the same route.

PLD,DNC,RDM,COR,BRD,GEO

H Kite - Grav2 +IndiGrav
G Straight Tank. PLD - 5.5' - G - Rest of party at max melee
F Kite - Grav2
E Kite - Grav2

RDM needs a max potency Grav set to make this work well.

I may not of been clear, i was more asking towards non aminon melee runs. We do dx2 brd cor rdm whm, I would expect someone doing 8 boss kite would drop a dps for pld possible. I was more asking towards those runs if kiting was more efficient then an extra dps and presumably quicker kills.


PLD,GEO,BRD,RDM,COR plus any DD can do 8/8 with the kite strat. So yes swap the 2nd DD to PLD and the WHM to GEO. Its efficient and very easy once you learn it.

Make the single DD a DNC and you will be on your way to 9/9 in due time.
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By Asura.Lunafreya 2025-02-04 09:49:44
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All I’m gonna say is no amount of addons is going to make up for even 1 member being subpar either in their equipment sets, reaction time, using oils/powders and moving to the next objective immediately, etc. All of that comes with experience, knowing the routes, having macros set up to use your meds and so on.

We’ve (myself and taint’s group) brought people from shouts when we had to fill and the run was significantly slower due to the things I mentioned, not addons.
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2025-02-04 10:35:30
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Asura.Lunafreya said: »
All I’m gonna say is no amount of addons is going to make up for even 1 member being subpar either in their equipment sets, reaction time, using oils/powders and moving to the next objective immediately, etc. All of that comes with experience, knowing the routes, having macros set up to use your meds and so on.

We’ve (myself and taint’s group) have brought people from shouts when we had to fill and the run was significantly slower due to the things I mentioned, not addons.

Who said they were mutually exclusive? Arnold Schwarzenegger was very strong because he worked out a lot, had very good technique, ate right, and was dedicated to his task. He also used PEDs which allowed him to be stronger than he would've if he didn't use them. There's no contradiction whatsoever between people being good at the game and also saving time by using addons.

Not really sure I follow your logic here. I would also love to see what statement caused you to write this post, because I don't see anyone claiming that addons replace skill, macros, equipsets, or experience. I'm certain that i never made such claims, in fact I only see the opposite.
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By Asura.Lunafreya 2025-02-04 11:31:11
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I am simply stating, for the others who are trying to cut time, that yes - certain addons will shave time off here and there. However, you need to make sure all of the other things I mentioned are sorted out to get the lion share of the time savings. Our group doesn't use superwarp or sortie buddy (i dont even know what this is?). FastCS you are only reaping the benefits if all 6 use it because you are only as fast as your slowest person. Our runs have gotten gradually faster and faster and more efficient - not because we threw more addons into the mix but because we optimized everything we possibly could between gear sets, routes, song/JA timings, boss strats, etc.

That's all I am saying, not rebutting anyone or you in particular.
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2025-02-04 12:46:14
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I fully agree that the largest gains will be made by getting faster Aminon kills, planning an efficient route, having proper equipsets, and doing your jobs correctly.

I also think it's rather bizarre to point out things that save time like

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reaction time, using oils/powders and moving to the next objective immediately, etc.
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having macros set up to use your meds and so on.

Which are things which save a second here or there, but then ignoring things that save ~5 seconds 30 times during your run, and dismissing them as being insignificant and not contributing to your consistency.

I agree with your idea that you can only save time if your slowest member is gaining that advantage. Let me ask you this then, what if your slowest member is using FastCS and Superwarp and that is what allows him to keep up with your group's lightning fast pace? Does that mean that you (all) are saving several minutes over the course of your run by having your slowest member save those minutes?

I think it's really strange to suggest that having a silent oil macro and hitting bolter's roll 1s earlier is the key to getting a fast run, but spending 5~7 fewer seconds teleporting 30 times is not important. Consider if (any person in your group using FastCS) wasn't using it. If they're currently keeping up with you and you're all arriving at the boss on time, they would be 10~15 seconds behind you, per boss, every boss, at least 9 times.

I tried to check how long a bitzer takes with FastCS on but couldn't find a good video online. I checked mine and a normal teleport takes just about 10 seconds to get from clicking the button to regaining control on the other end. I'm not sure exactly how much of that you get back, but it's a fair bit.

Obviously you need to be coordinated, obviously you need to be efficient, obviously you need to have good gear, obviously you need to be skilled at playing the game. It should also be obvious, in my view, that adding any of the tools I listed (or others) will also save time, make your runs more consistent, and allow you to add extra content into your runs. I find it unreasonable to claim that these things don't save time.

I'm not trying to denigrate anyone's achievements, I've said in every single one of my posts that anyone pulling this stuff off is clearly very good at the game. Anyone who's seen my ramblings over the years knows that basically everyone I play with is a cheater (by my standards). I'm 100% certain that I have also benefited from being in Sortie runs with cheaters. Unfortunately it's a fact of modern FFXI life that cheating is rampant and, especially in endgame content with serious players, it's essentially impossible to avoid gaining some benefit from other players' cheating. That doesn't, in my opinion, change anything about the fact that these programs will improve the consistency of your run, speed it up, make up for your mistakes, etc.

...Yet here we are, claiming that the programs do nothing and all success is because we're so skilled and play FFXI so well. And you wonder why I'm still going on these rants. Whatever, I'll just continue shouting into the wind and you guys can enjoy your circle-jerk of support from other people who feel better when they can pretend they installed all this stuff for "Quality of life" and how they could totally achieve the same results without them but they "don't feel like it".
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Yeah yeah, saving 2sec per warp from not having animations while using bitzers is what gets these teams 8 and 9 bosses.

:rolls eyes:
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By Asura.Lunafreya 2025-02-04 13:04:07
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To my knowledge, I never claimed the addons do nothing. They clearly help. Being "good" at the game helps more.

I was speaking to our experience that all the little things add up. Yea, having a macro for meds saves time. We've had pick up people from shouts who, after a boss dies, are standing there not moving for about 10 seconds doing...idk what. I am assuming navigating their inventory for a panacea to remove the dia or gravity we just got hit with, or an oil to prep for the run from current boss to next boss. Multiply that by 8 bosses and all of sudden this person has wasted 1:20 just standing there fumbling around in menus. It was just an example of 1 tiny thing that can make a difference. Yes, fastcs has the same effect, I am not even trying to argue that it doesn't. Not sure how these conversations seem to always go off the rails.
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2025-02-04 13:10:54
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Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »
I'm not trying to denigrate anyone's achievements

You do though... denigrate them. Because your response every time someone posts anything related to accomplishment, you start this whole argument again, that spans multiple pages every time, where the actual accomplishment gets buried and forgotten. You personally put an asterisk on literally everything everyone does because they didn't do it pure vanilla.

Everyone gets it. You're a purist (and there's nothing wrong with that). Everyone else is on a spectrum of purism vs. qol vs. out right cheating (and frankly imo there is nothing wrong with any of that either).

We don't need 2 pages of arguments over where the line is every time someone says something.
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By Felgarr 2025-02-04 13:20:36
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Cerberus.Shadowmeld said: »
We don't need 2 pages of arguments over where the line is every time someone says something.

Totally agree. The community is small enough as it is. Let's enjoy the game together. FFXI will be 10 people one day, it would be a shame if they just shat on each other until there was only 9 people left...and so on.

If it's not that, then FFXI will be 2 people left. One 3rd-party-tool-enjoyer with 36 alts and One pure vanilla single-box player...never speaking to each other at all.

Both of those things sound awful....So we should just get along, for as long as we have FFXI to share and enjoy. :)
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Ffxi royal rumble lets go
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2025-02-04 13:31:10
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You know what, you're right guys. Absolutely nobody downplays the impact of addons in their performance. I was wrong, there's absolutely nothing wrong with the status quo. Everyone's just running around, fully aware of exactly how much of their results come from their lua and their plug-ins and how much is from their raw talent, with no bias. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings.

Asura.Lunafreya said: »
FastCS you are only reaping the benefits if all 6 use it because you are only as fast as your slowest person.
Dodik said: »
Yeah yeah, saving 2sec per warp from not having animations while using bitzers is what gets these teams 8 and 9 bosses.

:rolls eyes:
Phoenix.Gavroches said: »
FC/tako/other addon I have no idea existed is not what make the difference unless all 6 use it, and there’s always a few that don’t, so that’s not where the difference come from.

Sorry, accidentally hit the quote button, ignore that. I can't figure out how to delete it.
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