Merc Culture Discussion
Merc Culture Discussion
That innuendo evaded me, nice one lol
Asura.Bayonette said: »
Back in the 75 era the only thing I remember being merced was Operation Desert Swarm. I think the blm merc group would keep the venomous claw and the player would get the rest, with the crit bonus weapons being the main lure. Been awhile, is that how it went?
Not trying to derail, the OP mentioned 75 mercing and I got nostalgic.
Not trying to derail, the OP mentioned 75 mercing and I got nostalgic.
Black belt items and ace’s helm. Other less time restricted items as well. I think Homam was popular to sell.
Some groups also sold sky stuff, like haidates and abjurations.
If someone was buying, someone was selling. All the things. All the time. It was just less common. People were younger, with more time to waste.
If I had to add anything serious this discussion:
I'm not a fan of RMT in newer games. I despise how brand new games are overrun with RMT which quickly sap out some of the fun. They cause economical issues in newer games and often ruin them rather quickly. The Reward/Work ratio really starts to get skewed and things quickly become pay to win.
That being said FFXI isn't a new game. Its an oldie with a enormous back log of things to do. A newer pure player won't see an ounce of spare change until several months in the game as they are constantly playing catch up. Even if they are constantly pushing their gear they will eventually hit a wall. For me it was Escha Zitah a few years ago. I needed some better gear and I just couldn't get out of the crap I was wearing. I was fortunate enough to have someone help me out and that little bump has gotten me somewhere. But not every player will have that bump and not every player knows how to or can make gil. You tack on the ridiculous requirements people push like RMEA DDs for E/VE Ambuscade and you end up in a spiraling situation where either players buy gil, buy mercs, get lucky and get help or just quit the game. So I think not only is Mercing and RMT alright in this game, in some situations it is necessary to survive. And honestly the reason it is necessary is sort of the fault of player base.
I also think Mercing is ALWAYS a positive in any game though it may lead to increased RMT production I enjoy the concept of people working for their money and then applying that to get things they want done. I have MERCed stuff in several games for in game gil/gold or w/e.
I'm not a fan of RMT in newer games. I despise how brand new games are overrun with RMT which quickly sap out some of the fun. They cause economical issues in newer games and often ruin them rather quickly. The Reward/Work ratio really starts to get skewed and things quickly become pay to win.
That being said FFXI isn't a new game. Its an oldie with a enormous back log of things to do. A newer pure player won't see an ounce of spare change until several months in the game as they are constantly playing catch up. Even if they are constantly pushing their gear they will eventually hit a wall. For me it was Escha Zitah a few years ago. I needed some better gear and I just couldn't get out of the crap I was wearing. I was fortunate enough to have someone help me out and that little bump has gotten me somewhere. But not every player will have that bump and not every player knows how to or can make gil. You tack on the ridiculous requirements people push like RMEA DDs for E/VE Ambuscade and you end up in a spiraling situation where either players buy gil, buy mercs, get lucky and get help or just quit the game. So I think not only is Mercing and RMT alright in this game, in some situations it is necessary to survive. And honestly the reason it is necessary is sort of the fault of player base.
I also think Mercing is ALWAYS a positive in any game though it may lead to increased RMT production I enjoy the concept of people working for their money and then applying that to get things they want done. I have MERCed stuff in several games for in game gil/gold or w/e.
In the end it's mostly about instant gratification. You pay for the convenience and service just like in real life. I don't want to own a farm, so I pay someone for my meat and veggies. I am not a mechanic, so someone works on my car. Yeah, I could put the time and skill in to it, but I have other goals in mind and if someone else is more efficient at it then why not.
However, now that I have this car I am going to learn how to drive it so I'm not getting into an accident and taking all of you out with me. This in my opinion is the step people skip past once they attain their new shiny.
However, now that I have this car I am going to learn how to drive it so I'm not getting into an accident and taking all of you out with me. This in my opinion is the step people skip past once they attain their new shiny.
It's always been about pay2win, in lots of scenarios (not just video games). I feel pretty dumb when im with my family at an amusement park waiting for a ride for 20minutes, and some rich kid walks right to the front and gets on the ride. He made better use of his time than I did, or I was too cheap to value that fast pass. In the end, we both got on the ride, but who was really the fool? The person paying money to advance, or the person paying with their time? Depends on how you value time and money.
The same is true in this game, but the RMT lure is mostly the result of intense peer pressure. A lot of people play but never comments or shout in game, but they read a lot of what is said on forums etc. And they get the impression that they are simply unqualified if they don't meet the community's standards for end game play. That can make the game not fun since they are always playing from behind. Their options are either sink dozens of hours into the game to perpetually be behind, or buy a fast pass and catch up with less time investment. Often, the latter is more better use of their time. To those who don't care about what the community standards are, they can get enjoyment out of their own pace, but they are a rarity. And they will have to go the shout/grind route, which may or may not be enjoyable for them.
Personally, I could never pay a person to merc me an aeonic, but PLing my 15th and 16th jobs is better use of my gil. I wouldn't pay someone to merc my Chloris buds because I can do it while doing other things, but if I had a few billion gil, which one is a better use of my time/money? In most cases, people just pick the path of least resistance and roll with it.
The best new/returning players are ones who return in groups of friends, since they won't be pressured to catch up to other people and will work together to improve each other at the same pace.
The same is true in this game, but the RMT lure is mostly the result of intense peer pressure. A lot of people play but never comments or shout in game, but they read a lot of what is said on forums etc. And they get the impression that they are simply unqualified if they don't meet the community's standards for end game play. That can make the game not fun since they are always playing from behind. Their options are either sink dozens of hours into the game to perpetually be behind, or buy a fast pass and catch up with less time investment. Often, the latter is more better use of their time. To those who don't care about what the community standards are, they can get enjoyment out of their own pace, but they are a rarity. And they will have to go the shout/grind route, which may or may not be enjoyable for them.
Personally, I could never pay a person to merc me an aeonic, but PLing my 15th and 16th jobs is better use of my gil. I wouldn't pay someone to merc my Chloris buds because I can do it while doing other things, but if I had a few billion gil, which one is a better use of my time/money? In most cases, people just pick the path of least resistance and roll with it.
The best new/returning players are ones who return in groups of friends, since they won't be pressured to catch up to other people and will work together to improve each other at the same pace.
soralin said: »
Before I recall days where end game NMs would have entire pages of groups all posting their various party/alliance comps to take down NMs. This just isn't really a thing now for most fights.
This is both the cause and the problem.
Newer players or groups don't have the tenacity to fail at content in order to test mechanics. Ever notice an ambuscade group fall apart after a failure? The players that have said tenacity feel it's of value. The players that have said tenacity at this stage in the game don't want to share their knowledge anymore. The older community of "veterans" (and I use that loosely) think they're better because they believe their achievments have value. They think that if others are able to accomplish what they have that it will somehow devalue their accomplishments (because they believe what they accomplished to hold value). When they realised there were people desperate enough for the information they held (strategies for fights, if not outright clears) they realized they could sell it. Once a market was established the information needed to attain clears dried up as that now had a financial value to players (like inside information or secret recipes).
This doesn't even begin to address the self-seggregation of the community. Players that feel they've been around for a long time don't always want to play with new or returning players. These older players are often cliquey. Worse, some can be outright bigots (I'm a trans woman, please use female pronouns, Saevel, instead of constantly degrading me and then wondering why I hate you). This disuades players from even wanting to play with them regardless of the agreeableness of the player.
So to recap: when players realised they could put a gil value to their knowledge of the game they stopped posting it in public discourse (hence wikis are not great for newer content and even things like Lost Article locations aren't listed for later coalitions). So information of how to achieve dried up and there wasn't a new breed of tancious players willing to fail or exchange data to replace what the other players no longer felt like sharing for free. Some players would rather just pay them than play with them for a variety of reasons.
I haven't bought gil since 2015 but imagine pushing 40 and still this ***' uptight about spending a hundred bucks
also:
real mystery, that
also:
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Some players would rather just pay them than play with them for a variety of reasons.
real mystery, that
I've seen justifications for RMT and Mercs in the previous comments, and i'll tell you what it comes down to: Lack of an individuals ability to "network" in a MMO (Oh the irony!), and sheer fkn laziness.
I have 2 groups of friends at various stages of REMA acquisition. Some have been tied to groups who have brought them success in the past, but have now departed, others are rising slowly to completion of REMA goals and catching up to those who's candles once burned brightly. All of us have the common understanding that you need the Multiplayer aspect of MMO to win.
If you purchase gil from those fkn FFXIshop c@#ts, and turn around and using said gil to buy a win on content, your pretty much entering a "Power Overwhelming" (Starcraft Reference) Code , getting the loot with no effort, and defeating the purpose of the game: To win big epic battles with friends and jump out of your chair with a nerdgasmic shout because you guys fooking came-killed-conquered!"
That feeling can never be attained when your used to buying your wins. Those people don't get the feelings of elation from great feats achieved, but a dulled down version of it that comes from the understanding that they participated in the "Pay-2-Win" method requiring little/no skill and a journey not-well-earned.
When you Play-To-Win, your victory meal tastes like Altana's Repast +2, When you Pay-2-Win it's more like Adamantoise Soup
I have 2 groups of friends at various stages of REMA acquisition. Some have been tied to groups who have brought them success in the past, but have now departed, others are rising slowly to completion of REMA goals and catching up to those who's candles once burned brightly. All of us have the common understanding that you need the Multiplayer aspect of MMO to win.
If you purchase gil from those fkn FFXIshop c@#ts, and turn around and using said gil to buy a win on content, your pretty much entering a "Power Overwhelming" (Starcraft Reference) Code , getting the loot with no effort, and defeating the purpose of the game: To win big epic battles with friends and jump out of your chair with a nerdgasmic shout because you guys fooking came-killed-conquered!"
That feeling can never be attained when your used to buying your wins. Those people don't get the feelings of elation from great feats achieved, but a dulled down version of it that comes from the understanding that they participated in the "Pay-2-Win" method requiring little/no skill and a journey not-well-earned.
When you Play-To-Win, your victory meal tastes like Altana's Repast +2, When you Pay-2-Win it's more like Adamantoise Soup
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Shiva.Phioness said: »
When you Play-To-Win, your victory meal tastes like Altana's Repast +2, When you Pay-2-Win it's more like Adamantoise Soup
I would only feel regret if I consumed an Altana's Repast +2.
Shiva.Phioness said: »
getting the loot with no effort, and defeating the purpose of the game: To win big epic battles with friends and jump out of your chair with a nerdgasmic shout because you guys fooking came-killed-conquered!"
it must be pretty cool to be the guy who gets to decide what the point of playing this game is
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ScaevolaBahamut said: »
Shiva.Phioness said: »
getting the loot with no effort, and defeating the purpose of the game: To win big epic battles with friends and jump out of your chair with a nerdgasmic shout because you guys fooking came-killed-conquered!"
it must be pretty cool to be the guy who gets to decide what the point of playing this game is
And to be wrong with such defiance lol. The only point is to acquire stuff. By any means. And the secondary objective is get. and. stay. the. ***. out. of. the. way. while you do it.
so, it's like this
for me, endgame is a literal chore, and i don't mean that in a pejorative sense; i mean it in the very adult sense that it is a task that i don't enjoy doing but i very much enjoy having done, in that the total unpleasantness of doing it is outweighed by the benefits it provides upon completion.
i don't like paying the electric bill, but i enjoy living my life knowing my power won't be shut off
i don't like doing the dishes, but eating off dirty dishes is a non-starter for me
i don't like doing endgame, but i enjoy the freedom and agency the powerful endgame gear affords me
much like how i dutifully wrote a check to the electric company every month before autopay showed up and i didn't have to think about it anymore, i did endgame until mercing got big and i no longer needed to bother
for me, endgame is a literal chore, and i don't mean that in a pejorative sense; i mean it in the very adult sense that it is a task that i don't enjoy doing but i very much enjoy having done, in that the total unpleasantness of doing it is outweighed by the benefits it provides upon completion.
i don't like paying the electric bill, but i enjoy living my life knowing my power won't be shut off
i don't like doing the dishes, but eating off dirty dishes is a non-starter for me
i don't like doing endgame, but i enjoy the freedom and agency the powerful endgame gear affords me
much like how i dutifully wrote a check to the electric company every month before autopay showed up and i didn't have to think about it anymore, i did endgame until mercing got big and i no longer needed to bother
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I think the anti-merc crowd mostly fall into one of two groups... those who play the game at roughly at end-game level and get annoyed when others kinda jump the line by throwing gil at it... and those who still want to reach end-game level but aren't willing to toss gil at it. In a sense, is there really much of a difference between paying someone to clear ambu for you a few times and mass-buying alex or HPBs or whatever? Its just the lack of a spoken agreement really. I farm up some alex, stick it on the AH, someone buys it. Someone shouts to merc ambu, someone buys it.
I think it can go too far though. idk why I think this but pulse farming for example. I dont see an issue if people wanna merc the Zitah T3s for pulse drops but to see them shout to sell every single trash drop that goes unwanted otherwise for 3-5M per just seems a bit much. idk why it bugs me, but it bugs me. I do think there's a line between providing a service and just being greedy af lol.
I've only merced (i.e. paid for) a couple of things as a player. When I was first getting back on, I saw someone shout that a Lathi was in pool, my BLM needed one, so I went for it. Another time I saw someone shouting to merc RuAun drops and I knew my LS wasn't going to make the effort needed to get my SCH an Akademos.. so I got it done that way.
Sometimes I legit wonder what the point of buying an ambu clear for 10M is. I've been in groups that have merced it and now with the weapons it makes a bit more sense but back when the main draw was sellables, to me it defeated the purpose. Even with a seal up at the start of a month, it doesnt feel like you'd get 10M in seelables from a run.
I think sometimes we underestimate or forget the gap that exists within the player base. Not everyone has a motivated, driven LS thats capable or motivated to really do all the things they'd like to do.
Got very few issues with mercing though. If invited to join a group thats doing it, def will but I'd prefer to gear up the LS I run with first rather than cut them out for personal profit. If the ppl you run with get cut out or dont improve than you're ot improving much either.
I think it can go too far though. idk why I think this but pulse farming for example. I dont see an issue if people wanna merc the Zitah T3s for pulse drops but to see them shout to sell every single trash drop that goes unwanted otherwise for 3-5M per just seems a bit much. idk why it bugs me, but it bugs me. I do think there's a line between providing a service and just being greedy af lol.
I've only merced (i.e. paid for) a couple of things as a player. When I was first getting back on, I saw someone shout that a Lathi was in pool, my BLM needed one, so I went for it. Another time I saw someone shouting to merc RuAun drops and I knew my LS wasn't going to make the effort needed to get my SCH an Akademos.. so I got it done that way.
Sometimes I legit wonder what the point of buying an ambu clear for 10M is. I've been in groups that have merced it and now with the weapons it makes a bit more sense but back when the main draw was sellables, to me it defeated the purpose. Even with a seal up at the start of a month, it doesnt feel like you'd get 10M in seelables from a run.
I think sometimes we underestimate or forget the gap that exists within the player base. Not everyone has a motivated, driven LS thats capable or motivated to really do all the things they'd like to do.
Got very few issues with mercing though. If invited to join a group thats doing it, def will but I'd prefer to gear up the LS I run with first rather than cut them out for personal profit. If the ppl you run with get cut out or dont improve than you're ot improving much either.
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ScaevolaBahamut said: »
it must be pretty cool to be the guy who gets to decide what the point of playing this game is
neither you nor phioness "decides what the point of play this game is" its kinda already defined by the genre and is more precisely defined by the developers.
however its pretty uncool to be the guy that redefines that point to cater his personal feels and needs by cheating.
ScaevolaBahamut said: »
i don't like paying the electric bill, but i enjoy living my life knowing my power won't be shut off
i don't like doing the dishes, but eating off dirty dishes is a non-starter for me
i don't like doing endgame, but i enjoy the freedom and agency the powerful endgame gear affords me
i don't like doing the dishes, but eating off dirty dishes is a non-starter for me
i don't like doing endgame, but i enjoy the freedom and agency the powerful endgame gear affords me
all the points you made above are kind of a necessity to live but life doesn't force you to play FFXI. there are plenty of single player games no one would bother if you felt the need to cheat your way to the goal and if you are only about socialising try a chat or social network.
don't join a game with set rules and bend them 180 degrees just to fit your personal needs and feels.
Where did I say how anyone else should play
And the thing is, the chores I listed actually AREN'T mandatory. I could live off the grid. I could buy paper plates and plastic cutlery. But I don't, because doing these unpleasant chores is worth the benefits they provide. You don't do chores because they're intrinsically valuable; you do them because they're part of the bargain for the life you want to live.
So what I'm doing is the exact opposite of bending the game to what I want it to be: I'm accepting it as it is and deploying a strategy to achieve my goals in it. That's just being a good player.
And the thing is, the chores I listed actually AREN'T mandatory. I could live off the grid. I could buy paper plates and plastic cutlery. But I don't, because doing these unpleasant chores is worth the benefits they provide. You don't do chores because they're intrinsically valuable; you do them because they're part of the bargain for the life you want to live.
So what I'm doing is the exact opposite of bending the game to what I want it to be: I'm accepting it as it is and deploying a strategy to achieve my goals in it. That's just being a good player.
sure you can reduce the absolute mandatory down to breathing and then you'd probably still argue against it cause artificial respiration...
your points don't apply cause they aren't in the context of a game.
your points don't apply cause they aren't in the context of a game.
If mercing is not appropriate behavior under the terms of this game, they can ban me. It's not a secret and SE could even make a post like "hey we consider selling top tier boss drops bad form and against the spirit of the game"
Until then, *** outta herr
Until then, *** outta herr
oh wait are you that guy who stalked Debbie gibson
ScaevolaBahamut said: »
oh wait are you that guy who stalked Debbie gibson
HOW DARE YOU NOT KNOW THE NAME OF STARCADE
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ScaevolaBahamut said: »
If mercing is not appropriate behavior under the terms of this game, they can ban me. It's not a secret and SE could even make a post like "hey we consider selling top tier boss drops bad form and against the spirit of the game"
Until then, *** outta herr
Until then, *** outta herr
do you need someone to officialy tell you ***smells?
mercing obviously hurts the game. the buyer is no more interested to grind content and is more likely to quit sooner once he got his shot of instant gratification. those that refuse to pay mercs and want to do content the way its intended have more difficulty to find party members.
no good situation for a game like FFXI with a already small population.
My favorite starcade thing was when he was arguing with some other dingdong about RMT and out of nowhere somebody asks him about Debbie Gibson's career arc towards sexualization and objectification and my dude did not miss a beat with some Hot Motherfuckin Takes
On one hand, how is mercing things any different than the AH? On the other, it does tend to create people who have gear but can't play their job. One could argue it creates a system in which only the rich tend to be able to do some content due to the elitist "REMA" only people, but those same problems are found from AH gear as well.
Edit: the true Starcade is Jontron's Starcade.
Edit: the true Starcade is Jontron's Starcade.
eh, I feel like the chores analogy kinda works tbh. I know plenty of ppl in game who claim to be bored of end game, to the point there's been a discussion of late within the LS of not doing Dyna D any more. I'm firmly in the camp that, if you want to remain a relevant player at all, there's no getting around it. Dyna D has to be done 2x a week. imo, ambu has to be done to a certain extent (at least get the weapon mats and buy HMP/HPB/alex/cinders/dross) each month. imo, solo farming swarts in omen kinda has to be done. You do none of those things and the gap between you and the ppl doing that work grows at a incredible rate.
So it's a choice... do you want to remain relevant and capable of doing all this content or do you wanna be lazy? I guess you could do both by paying mercs but for me the game is simple. It demands you put in the work and grind it out to a certain extent. Buying clears and things like that gets around that to a degree but outside of people tossing a metric ton of real life $$ into buying gil... you know, if someone has capped gil through valid means, they gotta have done some grinding of some sort, no?
So it's a choice... do you want to remain relevant and capable of doing all this content or do you wanna be lazy? I guess you could do both by paying mercs but for me the game is simple. It demands you put in the work and grind it out to a certain extent. Buying clears and things like that gets around that to a degree but outside of people tossing a metric ton of real life $$ into buying gil... you know, if someone has capped gil through valid means, they gotta have done some grinding of some sort, no?
mhomho said: »
So to recap: when players realised they could put a gil value to their knowledge of the game they stopped posting it in public discourse (hence wikis are not great for newer content and even things like Lost Article locations aren't listed for later coalitions). So information of how to achieve dried up and there wasn't a new breed of tancious players willing to fail or exchange data to replace what the other players no longer felt like sharing for free. Some players would rather just pay them than play with them for a variety of reasons.
While I do not doubt in the slightest that some groups have kept information for their own profit off the guides, not all guides lack information due to people's greed alone.
In the example of the lost article locations, Very few people would have to track All of the positions of the ???. And assuming someone did record them, they probably are not going to take the time to post a custom marked map, or SC of every one. (a good example of this problem is the assault lost and found) [In lost and found you don't have to use the npc to find the ring. It always spawns on the map at one of the ??? but more importantly the position of them does not change so you could make a map with EVERY location of the ring check them all and be done in under 2 min, yet one such map does not exist on a wiki due to its lack of need and difficulty in producing it]
And the lack of information on wiki's is an entirely different and more important issue for new players.
And you get sites like BG wiki that are stymied with the problem of Re writing AND bringing useful information from old sites like ffxiclopedia with out plagiarism. You can not use their pictures, maps[now have to make your own and host them somewhere that will store them permanently], comments, or information that was put on the splash page. And this would have to be done for almost anything pre-SoA. A Herculean feat to be sure.
Then assuming someone did rewrite the information on say BG you have to get new players to look there. There are guides on that website for obvious reasons that are not on FFXIAH. Because their author did not post them here.
I refuse to edit ffxiclopedia due to the fact someone can remove the information. People change things on there based off what they think happens. Not based off of testing. And the lack of being up-to-date on things Post SoA is laughable.
And finally the people that Do take the time to make guides /wiki's are now being blamed for not doing enough.
Asura.Verbannt said: »
mhomho said: »
So to recap: when players realised they could put a gil value to their knowledge of the game they stopped posting it in public discourse (hence wikis are not great for newer content and even things like Lost Article locations aren't listed for later coalitions). So information of how to achieve dried up and there wasn't a new breed of tancious players willing to fail or exchange data to replace what the other players no longer felt like sharing for free. Some players would rather just pay them than play with them for a variety of reasons.
While I do not doubt in the slightest that some groups have kept information for their own profit off the guides, not all guides lack information due to people's greed alone.
In the example of the lost article locations, Very few people would have to track All of the positions of the ???. And assuming someone did record them, they probably are not going to take the time to post a custom marked map, or SC of every one. (a good example of this problem is the assault lost and found) [In lost and found you don't have to use the npc to find the ring. It always spawns on the map at one of the ??? but more importantly the position of them does not change so you could make a map with EVERY location of the ring check them all and be done in under 2 min, yet one such map does not exist on a wiki due to its lack of need and difficulty in producing it]
And the lack of information on wiki's is an entirely different and more important issue for new players.
And you get sites like BG wiki that are stymied with the problem of Re writing AND bringing useful information from old sites like ffxiclopedia with out plagiarism. You can not use their pictures, maps[now have to make your own and host them somewhere that will store them permanently], comments, or information that was put on the splash page. And this would have to be done for almost anything pre-SoA. A Herculean feat to be sure.
Then assuming someone did rewrite the information on say BG you have to get new players to look there. There are guides on that website for obvious reasons that are not on FFXIAH. Because their author did not post them here.
I refuse to edit ffxiclopedia due to the fact someone can remove the information. People change things on there based off what they think happens. Not based off of testing. And the lack of being up-to-date on things Post SoA is laughable.
And finally the people that Do take the time to make guides /wiki's are now being blamed for not doing enough.
As much as I don't disagree with this, its actually very orthogonal to the merc discussion.
??? locations, guides, that kind of stuff are not the kind of info in discussion here. Sure that stuff is lacking...
But the primary info are the Discussion pages.
Back in the day, many Discussion pages would have literally dozens of pages of different groups recounting their various teams and approaches to the fights. You can still go look at the Up In Arms discussion pages to see just how much people would comment strategies and share their approaches!
Now however, like 90% of the pages that even have a discussion page just have a single post from SpicyRyan saying "Easy solo on blu"
Theres the occasional page with one recount from 2 years ago.
But for the most part, no one is bothering to post their strats anymore, and thats a big deal, because thats the primary bridge that new players can use to get to end game.
If you want strats, clearly state this thread is for discussion on strats, and if someone decides to derail just say hey back it up, this thread is for strats on such and such.
As for OP, my irl is too busy for me to be upset with mercs.
If someone wants to merc and charge w/e price or wants to make buyer buy pops or not, that's between them and not you.
Getting angry at a deal between 2 people that doesn't include yourself if pointless and silly. Need to go for a walk outside if you get angry about that.
As for OP, my irl is too busy for me to be upset with mercs.
If someone wants to merc and charge w/e price or wants to make buyer buy pops or not, that's between them and not you.
Getting angry at a deal between 2 people that doesn't include yourself if pointless and silly. Need to go for a walk outside if you get angry about that.
soralin said: »
no one is bothering to post their strats anymore,
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