Easiest Giant/Avatar To Kill For Ochain Items
Easiest Giant/Avatar to kill for Ochain items
Ogopogo have whm sacrosanctity @2% if no mdt set.
People often cite Brulo as the easiest but Maere is the only one that doesn't use an awful 2-hr. If you have a WHM standing outside the range of nightmare, you should have no hicups whatsoever.
Brulo is nice because the T2 and the T3 pop relatively close to each other, and the T2 is easily soloable, but he his by far the most camped
Brulo is nice because the T2 and the T3 pop relatively close to each other, and the T2 is easily soloable, but he his by far the most camped
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Thanks for all the replies so far. so looks like grauberg it will be then for my ironclads. yay~
would bst make the t3s any easier or just stick with nin, whm n war?
would bst make the t3s any easier or just stick with nin, whm n war?
Ew bst, I'd stick to the trio.
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when i hit Azdaja for horns, better off wildfire brewing or just A edge brew them all for TH on thf?
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when i hit Azdaja for horns, better off wildfire brewing or just A edge brew them all for TH on thf?
Azdaja is pretty squishy if you have some good DDs. I got through mine normally 4-6 at a time, just watch out for doom. If you don't have that many people then popping and brewing 3 at a time works too. Aeolian Edge would probably work best for that probably.
If you're duoing WHM + NIN, I'd argue Leviathan in Ule to be your best bet. A solid MDT set with Shellra V + a good Barwatera set turns that 2hr into nothing.
Ifrit in Altepa is easy as well in the same situation. Again, Shellra V + Barfira turns spike damage and the like into nothing at 99. However, I've noticed most people tend to camp this particular VNM just because it's the most straight forward out of the three zones, I feel.
Diabolos in Grau is annoying in my opinion, thus I'd try to avoid him. The T2 is cake though with, again, WHM duoing partner basically reducing her 2hr to pitiful numbers.
Good luck!
Ifrit in Altepa is easy as well in the same situation. Again, Shellra V + Barfira turns spike damage and the like into nothing at 99. However, I've noticed most people tend to camp this particular VNM just because it's the most straight forward out of the three zones, I feel.
Diabolos in Grau is annoying in my opinion, thus I'd try to avoid him. The T2 is cake though with, again, WHM duoing partner basically reducing her 2hr to pitiful numbers.
Good luck!
I did the Ulg VNM back at 90 duo with MNK+WHM and had no trouble with it. Shellra 5 and Barwatera with a decent set meant that the only thing that was really an issue at all was the constant poison effect, and these days you do a lot more damage so that really shouldn't be an issue.
Do people's WHMs just not have decent Bar-spell sets, so they need MDT sets?
EDIT: I totally said the wrong one. Go me.
Do people's WHMs just not have decent Bar-spell sets, so they need MDT sets?
EDIT: I totally said the wrong one. Go me.
Barwater and poison issues with Brulo?
Barspell effect is unreliable. Just because you resist 70% of tidal waves doesn't mean you'll resist all. MDT is the better option, by a lot.
They're all easy with MNK + WHM and halfass gear(both avatars and ironclads). However, if you can get a bunch of people to come pop, you can brew ~8x uleg ironclad in 1 brew. Did all 50 plates in less than 90 min like that. Altep ironclad is horrible to brew, grauberg ironclad is ok.
They're all easy with MNK + WHM and halfass gear(both avatars and ironclads). However, if you can get a bunch of people to come pop, you can brew ~8x uleg ironclad in 1 brew. Did all 50 plates in less than 90 min like that. Altep ironclad is horrible to brew, grauberg ironclad is ok.
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
People often cite Brulo as the easiest but Maere is the only one that doesn't use an awful 2-hr. If you have a WHM standing outside the range of nightmare, you should have no hicups whatsoever.
mfw people use fire resist atma for brulo when all you need is barfira and cures. Killed him countless times never to see a wipe
Using NIN + SCH(me), I had the NIN put on Future Fabulous atma, and then kept up appropriate barspell, shell V, and Phalanx. Brulo's spikes were doing single digits, Ogopogo's water attacks avg about 80-100.
We tried the fire resist atmas etc, and found Future Fabulous to be far superior in results. The only hard part of this trial.....claiming those damn T2s and getting them to upgrade.....so glad were done! lol
We tried the fire resist atmas etc, and found Future Fabulous to be far superior in results. The only hard part of this trial.....claiming those damn T2s and getting them to upgrade.....so glad were done! lol
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
Barspell effect is unreliable. Just because you resist 70% of tidal waves doesn't mean you'll resist all. MDT is the better option, by a lot.
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Barspells are still worth it, regardless of magic evade rate and reliability.
I've never had the need for MDT gear on them between Shellra 5 and Barspells, considering the MDB on them from a WHM with proper gear. You know, that thing I used to have to explain to RDMs and bad WHMs so they would stop overriding my barspells.
whats good/decent MDT set for war or pld? not sure what job ill be playing on mostly.. either war or pld for ochain
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Barspells are still worth it, regardless of magic evade rate and reliability.
jmwillis02 said: »
when i hit Azdaja for horns, better off wildfire brewing or just A edge brew them all for TH on thf?
If you were going to brew, I suppose I'd agree with just doing Aeolian Edge on simultaneous pops.
@OP I'd suggest doing Leviathan or Maere.
Odin.Madotsuki said: »
jmwillis02 said: »
when i hit Azdaja for horns, better off wildfire brewing or just A edge brew them all for TH on thf?
If you were going to brew, I suppose I'd agree with just doing Aeolian Edge on simultaneous pops.
Thats exactly what I did.We had an LS cleave/leech party going all day and we had tons of pops saved up so we triple popped while I AoE brewed them all down.Average was 6 kills per brew but towards the end we got the timing down perfectly to fit 9 per brew.Got about 69-71 horns I think it was that day
Kohanu said:
Do people's WHMs just not have decent Bar-spell sets, so they need MDT sets?
Austar said:
I didn't see a quote, but PDT/MDT sets should be mandatory for most if not all jobs, whether you're worried about one shot or not, and most people have a hard time reading things in context and would probably assume barspells weren't worth the time from your post.
Barspells are definitely worth casting, but the inconsistancy means they aren't a replacement for MDT(which is what the person I initially meant to respond to said).
In the end, if your WHM has refresh atma and af3+2 legs, it doesn't matter if you cast barspells or have a perfect MDT set, if you don't get one shotted nothing relevant changes regarding your rate of getting souls.
now for something off topic.. what sword should i do for PLD? seen more excals lately, but should i just stick with either Almace or the PDT sword? or is excal even worth doing?
Ramuh.Austar said: »
The important pieces aren't hard to get, the rest are luxuries. I don't think replacing defending with dark+ x2 merman's or even one of those -4% gauntlets is hard.
jmwillis02 said: »
now for something off topic.. what sword should i do for PLD? seen more excals lately, but should i just stick with either Almace or the PDT sword? or is excal even worth doing?
i need to get into VW to get ogiers head n feet D: but no one wants to invite a non empy war.. /cry
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