"Are Women People?"

Indeed, which was my point.

I think that a lot of people are getting off topic here. The message in the article had nothing to do with arguing that "Bad" things happen to women more then to men.
It was not a comparison of how badly one sex treats the other. The author was simply asking "Are women people?"
Why are men in the political and religious realm of life, deciding what is best for women?
She is pointing out instances where women's health is being decided by males.
Example: a group of men in congress, asking another group of men whether or not contraception should be covered by insurance.
You wont see a group of female congress members sitting and asking a group of women if Viagra should be covered by insurance.
Now to get to the point of Viagra and birth control being different.
Yes they are different drugs and yet similar. Viagra treats the male disorder of erectile dysfunction, treating a medical condition and therefore being covered. (although subsequently abused by a large number of men to acquire a long lasting erection.)
Birth control pills are used for much more then preventing pregnancy, regulating menstrual cycles and yada yada (to many to list again here) logically one would think they also should be covered. (but only if you can still use logic after reading emotionally charged arguments.)
Before women won the right to vote, they were considered in law "not to be people", The author is asking us to think about whether or not we are people yet.
I appears we are not quite there yet.

Fair enough.

Yeah...Fort Hood is an Army base.

because there is too much religion in politics and modern monotheistic religions all hate on women.

Religion is unfortunately misogynistic generally speaking, and religion is intertwined in politics despite the whole separation of church and state and stuff.

I don't know what kind of point I'm trying to make in this post, but the majority of people are not blind and treat women just like people, as they deserve. Religion just often feels the need to make women suffer consequences for having sex, but this is a whole other discussion.

How does this follow?

In general, women are oppressed when compared to men.

In general, blacks are oppressed when compared to whites.

Your analogy would be better stated as blacks saying whites are the source of all problems. Which still is at best an incredibly shallow analysis.

I just totally tried to find the part of House where he prescribed viagra to an old lady, still makes me lol.

well generally speaking army and marines aren't the brightest of the bunch, generally speaking. Especially low ranking ones.

Honest... I don't mind what politicians do. Just because whatever they do, they will usually do it wrong. At least in my country. There's so many wrong issues in the world right now I think they should just let people use birth control as they will, honestly, they should be giving it for free. Would probably help in the future having less kids to give food stamps to. And only the people who actually want to have children, would have them. I *hate* to see children being mistreated, it just gets on my nerves.

And second... nobody dictates who I am. No politician, no man, no law can make me feel less than a human being.

I think women need to fight less for their "rightful" place, and just take it.

Edit: Also, religion has NO place within politics.

On topic: I already told you, we women are actually robots. :)

Dammit, don't you draw religion into this!

It's like the 800lb elephant in the room hiding in a cardboard box with beady red eyes playing a violin.

Honestly, I fail to see why we argue about who gets shafted more than the other. It seems pretty futile to me and no one is ever really going to agree... Why not better spend our time noticing the fact that there are terrible things going on everyday where people are being victimized. Talk more about what we can do to prevent it or give tips on how to stay safe or get out of difficult situations. Personally I know people who have had some horrible things that have happened to them and have had some shitty things happen to myself as well so I can tell you that it doesn't really do anything for the people that are the targets to bicker over who has it better or worse.

Anyways, why can't we all just get along? :)

false because if that were the case women would be logical.

Which is exactly my point, there is to much religion in politics. Politics and religion mostly run by men. Men are deciding women's Issues.
Women should have more say in women's issues.
In her article she points out that Pregnancy is a medical condition, as far as the work place goes. Logic dictates that preventing that medical condition by taking a legal drug should be covered by insurance. Preventative care.
If you practice a particular religion that prevents you from partaking in birth control methods, then don't use them. Simple as that.
I was a Catholic and according to the church (if we must go there) You should only have sex for the "purpose" of reproducing. (That means no pulling out! For all you religious minded people) I don't think many Catholics are really following the true meaning of "Only for procreation" otherwise we would see a lot more families like "19 kids and one on the way" (I have no idea what that show is called where the couple has like 700 kids)

You are a dead man. XD

It's not really arguing which gets shafted more than the other as both genders are disadvantaged in certain areas.

The problem I see is that if you talk about misogyny, or bias against women, or anything like that, people are keen to respond.

If you discuss misandry, bias against men, or anything like that, people are far less likely to believe you.

It is then necessary to elaborate on how society wrongs men (not saying it DOESN'T wrong women or anything like that) just to show that men are indeed discriminated against in certain ways.

it's ok I have reraise.

As for the whole birth control issue I thought they passed that already and mandated that it must be covered. I could be wrong though... I have been made aware as a few others have said in this thread as well that it also has other uses for medically treating a patient so, and I'm not sure if they did, but why not make that a focal point instead of it being about birth control. It's medically relevant so I don't see why it shouldn't be covered and left between the prescribing doctor and patient.

As for the article I didn't really like it all that much as it seemed more like a rant than anything constructive. Especially the ending. I'm no fan of Santorum but when you refer to someone as your rock it seems to me that that person is important to you, someone you rely on and share with, basically someone you can really count on. The author just made what seemed to be a smart *** remark and said something like no were not people apparently we're rocks lol...

You are absolutely correct! LOL!


Automaton-a-ma-tons! The whole lot of us!

Even if you could take empirical evidence of all the interactions between men in women it wouldn't matter in the slightest. There isn't legislation you can pass or religious values you can adopt, when problems occur its on a case by case basis and seeing as it's impractical to provide resources to examine each case individually it's a giant waste of time to try and determine what is "fair" for everyone. Not to say this discussion is pointless for our purposes but it really should never have entered the political realm.

When some consensus is reached it really won't have that much of an impact on anyone's life on an individual basis and the money spent discussing it probably could have provided free birth control for half the country for years.

I'm by no means a linguist, I would actually go as far to say that I'm quite inept at it(note low post count), and sometimes my mind draws strange correlations. I have problems in the language department. :P What matters is; Did what I say make ENOUGH sense that you understood what I was trying to get at.

People falsely blaming an entire group of people for their problems.

What I'm trying to say though is that we can all acknowledge that there is clear bias in certain situations that effect each gender differently. I think we have defined them and instead of talking solely about what it is that is happening we take what we know and turn it to something constructive and open the conversation to solutions or at least a conversation in a positive nature. Work more on solving it and bonding than pushing each other far away.

It usually seems that people take sides and then push their belief maybe because they don't feel the other side is acknowledging what they feel their hardship is as they would like them too. Idk... just seems like something better could come out of this.

Where are all the "oppressed women" calling for the end of laws that continue alimony? I would think as "equals" there would be no need for one side to continuously receive an allowance from their ex husband.

Religious people are very boring. Sex is not only amazingly fun, it's also very healthy for you!

Also... I do disagree that birth control can cost up to 3000 USD per year... that's like... a lot....

Wasn't BC already covered under some policies? This was just about mandating that all policies cover it correct?

Raising a kid is expensive, and for some reason (not sure how it is now) Women tend to get the kids moreso then the Men.

I had a lady in a class over the summer that actually was saying she didn't get enough, I'm like *** your crazy.

I guess for the women who raised the family and the man worked, the woman having no job skills to speak of because of the sacrifice for the family I can understand it to that point.

But it's gotten way out of hand.

edit: same lady that about spit fire when I made fun of people who were allergic to peanuts, she is apparently.

I'm sorry if a kid knows he gets sick from peanut butter he shouldn't eat peanut butter, natural selection.

Alimony is separate from child support. Only get alimony if you're divorced.

Oh I getcha. Interesting concept o.O what is it for?

"Raising a kid is expensive, and for some reason (not sure how it is now) Women tend to get the kids moreso then the Men."

This is off topic, once again there are single men raising kids and it is just as expensive for them.
The topic relates to a woman's opportunity to make decisions on a woman's topic.
Men don't take birth control pills (although I'm sure if a vasectomy was the alternative, they might reconsider the pill :)
Men also do not lactate.

Women's issues!