[dev1064] Job Adjustments: Weapon Skills

Yeah I'm not going to quit just because this *** wants to nerf us into oblivion. It's just sad people cry "Nerf WAR nerf WAR nerf WAR" While SAM gets Shoha which seems broken at this point imo.(It out damages Kaiten/Fudo...)

I think the Abyssea team had it right as far as balance wise (razed ruins aside) and tanaka comes in and wants to "Balance" everything. Looking away from how critical hit weaponskills dominated Abyssea everything else was looking well done.

I do agree Shoha needs nerfing. I got derped when it destroys my Masamune >.>

Fudo aftermath up then shoha... why are you pissed shoha is better? lol

nerf us into oblivion... ? really? lol hyperbole with this adjustment is all over the place. Its not like war isn't still a top DD. That's WHAT war does. edit: Furthermore, you can do what sam's with Masa now do. Empy WS at 300 tp for AM3 and just ride the new WS... not hard to grasp, y'all.

Fudo aftermath up then shoha... why are you pissed shoha is better? lol

Since I don't run on PC I have to say this. I keep getting told Aftamath doesn't work on other WS. Getting told otherwise it does.

I keep getting told Aftamath doesn't work on other WS. Getting told otherwise it does.

Atleast an Empy takes some effort. You camp NMs/VNMs/50 Gems/50 Lanterns/75 Hearts. Etc compared to just meriting for hours on end in some crappy dominion party, while working on a TP bonus GK. Not the mention the people who grinded out trials for relics it sucks.

Atleast an Empy takes some effort. You camp NMs/VNMs/50 Gems/50 Lanterns/75 Hearts. Etc compared to just meriting for hours on end in some crappy dominion party, while working on a TP bonus GK. Not the mention the people who grinded out trials for relics it sucks.

I just wanted to say, to all the ppl arguing that you can do an empy in one week:

It's only true if you have a linkshell or some very good and dedicated friends to help you.

I made my Ukon in 2 months, and even buying 20 Glavoid shells, I had to bluburn in taronghi so much time, alone, and very little time, I got friends logged and able to help me. What I want to say is: some ppl are making empys in one week or less, and some others took a lot more of time cause they didn't want (or they couldn't) join a ls.

Imo, Ukko's Fury being more powerfull than others ws is legit, it's one of the, (if not the), hardest Empyrean weapon to make.

I choose Ukonvasara, knowing it'll be hard and a long way to achieve (solo or kinda), but knowing too that it was very powerfull. Now SE is talking about balancing jobs, and nerfing like hell. I feel really disapointed, and I hope everyone can understand the feeling we (Ukon's war)have.

It seems unfair to make such hard and boring trials, to nerf those weapons, "balancing the game", when some Empyreans like Kanagi Masamune or Greatsword are easier to make, and have already quite high dmg ws. Talk about balancing ...

Raising other ws would have hurt a little for sure, but nerfing Ukko's is really lame >.<


P.S. I'm sorry if there is some syntax errors, I'm French, hope you can understand.

Also it's like other people see [DEV] X Job Update. Then you click it and it's a nerf? Dude it really sets you up for a downer. Hook line and sinker they get your hopes up to bring them down.

Using Fudo for aftermath and swapping to Shoha til you need to refresh it, affects your overall damage output and not your ws output since aftermath is for your tp phase only.

I'm gonna' have to ask you to draw a completely arbitrary line between what constitutes effort and what doesn't.

Oh, my mistake, you've already done that.

good sir, my kannagi took a good 3 months due to not having dedicated LSs slaving one for me, and the severe over camping on sobek on my previous server. my wife and i had to compete through huge waves of LS allies, JP jerks with bot poppers, etc. and none of this would sway my opinion that just because it was hard for me, it shouldnt be better by lightyears.

ukko's just seems a bit too ridiculous compared to other WS, nor do i care how difficult or easy it may seem to people. you dont see quietus DRKs or cammlanns DRGs whining even though their path was much harder than yours.

So in your opinion equal effort would be..

Full Perle/Sub Par SAM with a TP Bonus GK and random AH WS Gear. (With Shoha 5/5) = A SAM who took pride in everything, spent time and effort on the best equipment (+2, Ace's Feet/Mail/Etc) Empy/Relic 90/95.

Then they still has to merit this crap just to be on an equal playing field? Where do you draw the line on effort?

So in your opinion equal effort would be..

Full Perle/Sub Par SAM with a TP Bonus GK and random AH WS Gear. (With Shoha 5/5) = A SAM who took pride in everything, spent time and effort on the best equipment (+2, Ace's Feet/Mail/Etc) Empy/Relic 90/95.

Then they still has to merit this crap just to be on an equal playing field? Where do you draw the line on effort?

I think people are over reacting at this moment. We dont know exactly how hard Ukko's crit will be.

Im in agreement with Blood rage, imo it should have -not- been touched, it was fine the way it was.

There was nothing wrong with Victory Smite. It was the first weaponskill that monk has been given that actually can put up competitive numbers.

However we dont know the impact they will do to said adjustments.

Its probably the fact that Tanaka is behind this that we all believe it will be worse than it should have been.

Any mention of equipment not pertaining to the weapon or WS in question falls under extraneous detail. You'd do best to avoid using straw men and loaded language when creating a serious rebuttal.

That said, you're trying to impose a standard of difficulty on effort that has no place in reality. Meriting is exertion with a specified purpose in mind, and building an Empyrean weapon is an exertion with a specified purpose in mind. Is one more difficult than the other? Possibly, but that's a normative judgement that depends on a myriad of factors. Given the tools at my disposal, building Empyrean weapons is nothing short of comical. A close friend literally begs that I allow him to create weapons for me.

But that's neither here nor there. The moral of the story is that both activities, by definition, take effort.

Ok, let me try to break this down so I understand you correctly. So war hitting near +100% crit dmg wasn't too much? (in regards to blood rage) With a crit WS, no less, that wasn't even 1 hit, it was 2. Yes toning it down wasn't such a bad idea.

2) Monk had A fury. That WS put up crazy numbers in Aby. You can't deny that. Also, impetus wasn't nerfed. Can't you still hit the crit cap or close to it with that?

3) Everybody claims Abyssea made the game "easy mode". Yet people still want WICKED powerful WS outside? like Ukko's and Smite being damn powerful outside too.

I hate to throw the cleave card in here but say you get merits afk 95% of the time. Or you have people who just half *** it and camp pages. Then what effort is there when obtaining a new weapon skill? Also I don't need a dictionary to tell me what effort is, nor do I care about you bragging about a friend who begs you for your permission to have things done for you. (Pathetic if he actually begs you imo, sounds like *** kissing.) But hey that is neither here nor there right. Though you mentioned it.

The main reason people make relic/empyrean/mythics is to have an edge over the normal. When that said norm is better then the above there is a problem.

What lol ? We call it blade: low. Or are you talking about abyssea damage again /sigh

What lol ? We call it blade: low.

Or are you talking about abyssea damage again /sigh

No way man Blade Hi is fine.