[Dev] Group 3 Merits & New 2-Hours (brief Info)

<quote>Here is a revised order of test server implementation:

Raise the level cap to 99
Raise the maximum limit for merit points
Adjust merit points groups 1 and 2
Add new two-hour abilities
Add merit points group 3

We will let you know once we finalize all of the details.</quote>
This timing part bothers me a little bit. I would rather be really good at one job than have all jobs - but I hate exp going to 'waste'.
I was almost merit capped before it went from 75 to 80 and I now am leveling jobs to 75 just to have places to put my merits...
Just my thought.
-R

I was super bored

Theory Crafting 2 hour Abilities

war -make all hits deal double damage-

whm -restores everyone's health,removes status ailments, gives everyone rr,prot,shell,haste, revives any dead party/alliance members in area of effect-

mnk -enhances melee attacks: each punch does double damage, each kick does triple damage-

blm -enhances magic damage based on mp-

thf -each successful landed attack increases crit damage and raises item drop %-

rdm -enhances potency of spells (ex. breaks haste cap, more debilitating debuffs)-

pld -ignore magic damage taken-

drk -turns all melee attacks crit and supresses emnity-

bst -calls forth a random massive pet (example a king vinegarroon -look-a-like)

brd -grants party members increased attribute stats, enhanced melee damage/magic damage; and buffs can't be dispelled-

rng -fires an inaccurate barrage, each hit has chance to do severe damage-

sam -lowers tp cost of party members-

nin -buff, ninjutsu and melee damage varies with number of shadows-

drg -attacks ignore defense, enhances wyvern based on current owner's stats-

smn -grants an ehanced avatar's favor-

blu -reduces cost of mp of all spells and enhances accuracy-

cor -enhances all phantom roll effects (even increasing the penalty for unlucky # or busting)

pup -copies buffs from master while enhances damage-

dnc -instantly gives cap # of finishing moves while enhancing sambas and waltzes-

sch -gives tactical information of target monster's stats; party members recieve damage/potency increase monster's weakness


Theory Crafting Group 3 Merits

Theorycrafting group 3 merits?
war
-increase crit damage
-increase retaliation damage
-increase tomahawk effect
-increase beserk effect
mnk
-increase kick damage
-increase boost effect
-lower perfect counter recast
-lower chiblast recast
whm
-enhance afflatus solace
-enhance afflatus misery
-increase cure potency
-enhance physical defense ability
blm
-enhance magic damage potency
-reduce emnity
-conserve mp
-lower recast of manawell
-lower recast of enmnity douse
thf
-enhance triple attack damage
-add status ailment effect for mugging; raises treasure hunter effect
-lowers recast of accomplice
-enhance steal/despoil
-give dodge effect
rdm
-lowers recast of spontaneity
-improve fire magic potency
-improve ice magic potency
-improve wind magic potency
-improve earth magic potency
-improve lightning magic potency
-improve water magic potency
-improve white magic potency
-improve dark magic potency
pld
-lower recast of palisade
-increase rampart duration
-increase sentinel duration
-allows to occaisionally bash target with shield for chance to stun
-decrease enmnity loss while being hit
-reduce physical/magic damage taken
drk
-quadruple attack effect
-increase scarlet deliruim effect
-occasionally drains enemy's HP
-increase souleater effect
-icrease melee damage
bst
-enhance pet attack
-enhance pet defense
-enhnace pet magic attack
-enhance pet magic defense
-improve pet intimidation
-enhance pet attack speed
brd
-lower recast of Marcato
-improve Marcato effect
-increase minne duration
-increase minuet duration
-increase madrigal duration
-increase lullaby effect
-increase finale effect
rng
-enhance barrage effect
-enhance flashy shot effect
-improve decoy shot
-improve dead aim effect
sam
-lowers recast of konzen-ittai
-increase hasso effect
-increase seigan effect
-allows a weaponskill without using TP
nin
-increase issekigan effect
-increase futae effect
-Utsusemi: San
-lower recast time of ninjutsu spells
-increase yonin effect
-increase innin effect
-enhance potency of ninjutsu spells
drg
-enhance jump effect
-enhance spirit link effect
-enhance wyvern breath effect
-enhance wyvern attack
-enhnace wyvern defense
-increase conserve TP effect
smn
-lower recast of mana cede
-lower recast of elemental siphon
-increase auto refreh effect
-increase stout servant effect
-improve avatar's favor
-allow odin as avatar (must have odin unlocked)
-allow alexander as avatar (must have alexander unlocked)
blu
-enhance blunt type spells
-enhance piercing type spells
-enhance slashing type spells
-enhance magic type spells
-enhance magic potency
cor
-increase gun delay significantly, shoots 6 shots
-improve passive ranged attack
-improve passive ranged accuracy
-enhance quick draw effect (gives another charge and enhances damage)
-occaisionally increase rolls to 11
pup
-lower recast of cooldown effect
-enhance repair effect
-increase critical attack rate
-allows to copy buffs from master to automaton
dnc
-enhance step effect
-extend haste samba duration
-increase flourish effect
-increase waltz potency
-increase samba potency
sch
-allows to channel TP to magic attack
-increase white magic potency
-increase dark magic potency
-increase next magic spell damage for magic burst effect
-increase enhancement spell duration

BLU:

Enhanced 2hr:
Azure Lore
Extends duration by 5 seconds and imparts a 5% damage bonus to every spell used in a skillchain or magic burst for every merit spent, up to 5.

New 2hr:
Immortal Incertitude
Take on the form of a soulflayer for 3 minutes. All physical spell potency is doubled, magical spell potency is multiplied by 0.5 and reduced in cost by 50%. Grants a 25% resistance to all forms of damage and enfeeblement. Unlocks entire spell list*.


T3 Merits:
Azure Acumen: Grants TP from every spell cast, equal to 5% of the MP cost. (+3% per merit)
Containment: In an attempt to contain your bestial abilities, you lose control. The power of the next physical spell cast is multiplied by 5% in addition to an accuracy bonus 5 per merit.
Relapse: The beast inside hungers. You gain the ability to drain TP, HP or MP with each physical spell for 30 seconds (+5 per merit) up to a total of 5% of the damage done.
Alienation: Your powers have torn you apart from the social structures of the world. When you are not in a party or an alliance, you gain an accuracy, attack and critical hit rate bonus (5% -> 2% -> 1% -> 1% -> 1%).




*Additionally, imparts the spell "Tentacle Raep"

If Tomahawk actually had the effect of Angon I'd merit it <_<

well didn't SE say there were going to review the current merits?

i dont see why we arent hoping for new 2 hours with insane capabilitys not sidegrades

drk: 50% hp boost and souleater dmg +50%

sam: ability to create skillchains giving mobs -mdb100%

blm: casting circles for 1 min (any blm in your party can cast any offencive magic making a combined /fusion spell for example 2 blms cast freeze2 2 blms cast burst 2 2 blms cast flood 2 creating a huge flood of electric ice ^^)

war: warriors fury: huge paramiter boost like 100+str dex ect ect

ranger: Eagle eye barrage nuff said on this one i think :p

monk: way of the fist: every hit inside a 30 second period increases damage dealt by 1%

thief : treasure hunter + perhaps to 10

redmage: all spells cast whithin 30 second period will have perfect magic accuraccy

dragoon: turns pet into a true wyvern akin to the one fought for the job quest (can change this to something like how call wyvern was and have it so when the pet dies you cant ressummon the uber wyvern untill 2 hour is back up)

pld: instantly maximises hate and keeps all alliance hate transferred to pld for 30-60 seconds

you get the point no doubt of where im going with this easy mode vs old mobs perhaps but i hope for new NM's that we will need great new 2 hours and teamwork to topple


not sure on many others but id hope for something spectacualar for each of us

They should consider Boosting all the races a reasonable HP and MP at a decent % boost. Find it funny seen all races with a shitty HP and MP at 95 outside of abyss-sea.

Unless that would mean it will break the game and it will be the end of world!

THF - I posted another Idea elsewhere which involved stealing multiple status effects.
RNG - Relic gun/bow do not remove enmity from regular RA or Barrage.
WAR - What's wrong with having even more?
WHM - Could make this break the cap.
RDM - I meant the next tier above that, slow3 para3 bio4 dia4 blind3 etc.
PLD - please reread "lock". As in, other members could not take enmity off the paladin, that's the point.
BRD - Yes.
SAM - Once again, what's wrong with having more?
NIN - agreed, but those should not be 2hours.
DNC - not broken, due to TP cost.
SCH - Sch has had a recent addition to their 2hour, so I feel they do not need an additional 2hour which is combat oriented. A way for players to get information like this directly would be a huge benefit. Wiki information is not always correct, or is incomplete. Drop rates on wiki have never accounted for TH.

edit: also, to anyone who wants the new thf 2hour to increase TH more, this would be pretty useless as the majority of TH's effect comes from TH1-2.

been waiting for tier 3 merits for a bit, lets hope something good for drk.

Well I have my doubts about group 3 merits personally.

"“Merit Point Category 3” is intended to strengthen two-hour abilities"

Just seems kinda like it is only about making 2 hours better and nothing really wow like.

"Adjust merit points groups 1 and 2" is interesting though and I look forward to that.

I would toss a million baby taru-tarus into the Lava lakes of Ifrit's Cauldron for Cosmic Elucidation in my Samurai arsenal, and I vision it like this... Use (2hr) Gain C.E bonus effect like (Konzen-ittai) then without being interupted by any other players WS bust out Tachi: Ageha > Tachi: NEW WS = Cosmic Elucidation: AOE skillchain which would cause 90%-100% damage to all regular mobs and 20-40% damage to any NM in range depending on amount of TP used for 2nd WS. :) Happy Place :)

Sticking with only the jobs I know decently;

Samurai: Cosmic Elucidation would be perfect. XD
Summoner: Summon something randomly epic like Bahamut or Knights of the Round?
Black Mage: Considering we'd want something "different" from Manafont, but as useful I would consider a move that would allow no magic resistance for set amount of time. I've always viewed most 2h abilities as "Save-The-Day Coupons," so something quick and possibly self-sacrificing would be the key here.

Sounds over powered but when you consider the power that Meikyo Shisui can deal out if used correctly then not so much I guess.

Small update for this thread:

11-07-2011 01:40 PM [source]

Camate Community Rep

I just wanted to follow-up with a bit more information related to two-hour abilities. I believe I mentioned in individual job threads that we would be looking into the revamps of two-hour abilities for some jobs. With that said, we are in fact looking into making adjustments to currently existing two-hour abilities before we implement the new two-hour abilities. Please just keep in mind that it will be a bit in the future before either of these things are done, so based on this please continue to give us your feedback.

I wonder if they will be making any 2 hours weaker to make room for the new 2 hours >.>;

They'll nerf Blood weapon.
They like drk too much to pass on the chance!

They'll be making them weaker to make room for the 2hr enhancing merits. Once fully merited, they'll be about as powerful as before!

lol... >.>;

btw i think this is exactly whats going to happen with warrior restraint lmao.

update to make it weaker only to have it so that you can merit it to make it as strong as it used to be 8D

They should have that, or a derivation of it, based on Raise tier, anyway. Who gives a crap about EXP loss now?

R1?
No, I'll wait for an R3.

You never hear that anymore.

Hell, home pointing is often quicker than waiting for rez these days anyway.

Small update today on this topic:

11-09-2011 06:19 PM [source]

Rukkirii Community Rep

Heya everyone! We were able to get more information from the dev. team about the merit point cap increase. We are looking into the below three types of merit point cap increases: 1. Increase the amount of merit points you can have at a given time (current is 20) 2. Increase the category caps (HP/MP to 12, etc.) 3. Increase other item caps (Enmity + to 5, etc.) Hopefully this answers some of your questions. We'll keep you posted when we receive more information. ^_^

Will update the OP with this information as well.

Thing is... this is happening -after- the level 99 limit. It did not take much effort to level jobs from 90 to 95, and I had a lot of merits capped at 75. Am I the only person that hates exp going to 'waste' and would rather have places to put merit points -before- the level cap change?

Do other people just go for cruor and not care about limit points? or.. ?
-R

Wonder if they will ever let us go higher than 8 in combat skill merits.

Also in a way I was wondering if they were planning on putting in merit group 3 since its been a while since they implemented group 2.

Wasn't sure what this Cosmic thing looked like, or at least, I don't recall seeing it in the mission, so I decided Google would know, on the off-chance someone took a screenshot.



What?

I honestly dont know the point of giving more than 20 merits at a time. I had only a couple merits prior to abyssea. I have never done a merit pt. Every pt I have taken has been on a job that needed to lvl or to skill (and less than 5 of those). But I am nearing full merits on all jobs now. That is just me a guy who never ever concentrated on merits almost being done. I can only imagine a person that actually tried to cap merits as soon as they could.

Why on earth do I need the ability to save more merits? The only logical reason that I can think of is if they drastically increase the things I can merit. Possibly having no caps on job merits (ie you can get all options 5/5) and adding the new tier 3 merits? Otherwise it doesnt make any sense to even consider increasing the cap on the savable merits.

Please read and make an effort to understand the post before getting on your soap box and complaining about it.



You are confusing "Maximum merit points" (for a group) with "stored merit points" (the current 20 merit cap before you need to spend them).

They are planning to increase the max you can have in a category. Example: 15/15HP (current: 12) or 10/10STR (current: 8).

just copying what the camate said is all

The video's I posted had horrible quality and didn't really show it at all, so I just recorded it myself:


The moon like part is about 3 times the size of any player, then the smoke and dust... well you get the picture.