Aegis + Burtgang Buff

its very simple.
Aegis and Ochain are both good shields.
Ochain is like a big pair of titts in a bra. It looks nice and entices you. But once you've had your touch, and realize just how flabby they are, with no form or firmness to them, you become disgusted.

Aegis is the opposite. It takes a true owner of superior taste and knowledge around a woman's undies to know that while these titts may not be huge, you've been around the block enough times to know that they are bigger than they look when the bra falls off, and that they are soft yet firm, yeilding and reactive to the master's touch.

Ochain is for the boys, who might suffer from premature ejaculation.
Aegis is where the men are.

Jinz doesnt have an Ochain not sure how hes "touched" one.

I dont even have to check your profile to smell a butthurt aegis owner.

best description ever

AoE-physical bar? On PLD? I can't imagine them having an ability that does anything like that. That just seems silly.

Sorry, i forgot often that sarcasm is difficult to detect through text x.x

My enjoyment from this entire Ochain Vs Aegis thing has been one thing.

PLD/NIN

I know that 90% of the people who argue Ochain is better have a Empy, weather it be a Ochain or not. For some reason empy owners like to jump on Aegis when talking about Aegies Vs Ochain.

Which brings a interesting point, it makes me believe that the 90% of you were not involved in end game before Abyssea, which is why you are so ignorant. You do realize that in a situation with a group of good players, like the old days, that a PLD/NIN with a good RDM keeping the mob enfeebled with him, can tank the ***out of anything without taking hits?

We're talking maybe a 25% hit rate out of the mobs hits during a given fight. I'll keep my Aegis, and I'll keep laughing at the Ochains who think Aegis can't out-perform them. At the end of the day a good PLD/NIN using a Aegis is MILES ahead of a Ochain PLD.

Unless, of course, you're a abyssea-made PLD. In which case, have fun with your Ochain.

I dont need to be an ochain holder to feel sympathy butthurt for poor ochain.

I keep seeing my fellow Ochain PLDs dropped to the floor by anything slightly not mind numbingly easy, whiLe I stand there in my GOLD Aegis casting raise on them, while the reflection of the sun shines off my shield, blinding them, as they squint staring upwards at me in all my glory. No doubt thinking to them sleves "how is this possible" as the sting of reality begins to creep into their timid heart.

Don't ever bring tinfoil to a gangsta party.

except the game now isn't about surviving mobs, it's about burning them. which is why lol pld.

As if Ochain is going to help you hold hate more than Aegis?

What a dumbass comment.

Wouldn't Ochain + Almace allow you to pretty much drop /NIN and use a more offensive oriented sub like PLD/WAR again?

No one questions a PLDs ability to tank. Its more the flaw in the system that all fights over time will have all dds being capped on hate, thus, making who ever is doing the most damage truly tanking the mob.

Ya, Ochain should let you /war pretty much anything and this would be a decent damage increase.

You're so high on your pedistal, you should learn to mind yourself. I've been involved in endgame for awhile, and i'm not going to say I'm more experienced, because in all likelyhood, i'm not.

But thats the difference between you and I. You consider me ignorant for not having your shield, for not taking the time to abuse a linkshell for a year or two to obtain it, and then hold true to my system that it is the best, will always be the best, and cannot be beaten, shield.

And i consider you ignorant for not understanding that times change. You're shield is good situationally, and so is mine. Compare me to the poor paladins you have the misfortune to meet, and i'll compare you to the idiot who got lucky with a dyna sponsor back in 2006. Before you call people ignorant, understand people are people.

A shield is a shield, and this is a game.

depends what you're fighting. you can't block FiragaIV, Meteor... unless you own an aegis. zing

Honestly if you have a almace on PLD and you're that gung-ho to PLD in abyssea, then PLD/NIN and Almace/Magian Multi Attack is going to keep hate more than either shield lol.

Zantok is casting Meteor.

read the part about lolpld

SO you use Almace/Multi Attack sword? I thought it was understand that most of the multi hit weapons through trials are mostly crap? Wouldn't the DA sword be generally better for off-hand?

Sorry, didn't see your edit to make it look less stupid.

Poor Excalibur doesn't even make it into this rage discussion :(.

back to pld tank and every DD /thf ^^

I use Almace/Kraken when I use PLD so I really don't know, never really tested other offhands. After all, this is just abyssea. :D

Yeah, the DA+10 sword is one of the best off-hand weapons for anything that dual wields honestly.

I use that, and the 2-4 attack Khanda on blue interchangeably. While the data supports the DA+10, I like to have the multihit for a good ol chain affinity spam, or just to get to 200% quicker for efflux :).

I <3 Chant Du Cygne on both jobs though :p *hiss rdm*

I don't dualwield ever on paladin... but i don't use paladin much these days.

Pretty sure you can,its called Shell V and MDT gear.Up until this update,it blocked the same amount as your Aegis.

Excal will be back.
No way SE is going to let that sword be 2nd best anything for much longer. If deals 1/4th hp ever procs as much as empyreans ODD, its over. Nothing standing in excal's way. be a *** truck rolling over all these volkswagon beetles

Also, to that person who attacked me when I didn't even read your posts because I don't really take girls seriously.

Kyokaku, was it?

Tell me, when you play PLD. What kills you most of the time? Assume you're at oh say.. 1.6k HP outside abyssea. The mobs hitting you for 200ish, you're WHM is waiting for you to take a couple hits to cure, or maybe they do love to keep you topped off. Who knows, depends on the healers.

Do you die from those static melee hits? No, you don't, normally a PLD drops because of a spike of damage when the healer was either being lazy, or was letting you get a bit lower before tossing you a heal.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but being PLD main since pretty much January of the first year of NA release, I certainly remember magical spikes killing me about.. 75% more of the time than melee spikes.

Just food for thought.

UP UNTIL THIS UPDATE

If ONLY you could generate emnity from those massive hits...
if you could, /toss Almace

Hitting 500-600 a swing outside of abyssea? Zomg lol