Ukko's Fury Setup

That makes sense then since your first hit (the ws) on the next round of tping wont have that boost from stp and makes it imperfect.

Solution: ws in lorrica lolz (jk).

Thanks for clarifying.

I do use discipline if I am getting miser's, but lately I haven't been so I've got a few other options. I usually get tact/chaos unless I complain. I thought fighter's/chaos were the rolls of choice nowadays? That's the general consensus I've heard anyway .

Unless someone can prove me wrong, 24% DA can't beat 45 TP return.

And Tacticians is just bad.

Assuming the save tp drops you from a 6 hit to a 5 hit, the DA would actually increase WS fequency more and do damage in the process.

It drops you from a 6 hit to a 3 hit...

17*3=51
51+45=96

If you change nothing to account for the 45 save tp and just use your normal gear it moves you from a 6 hit to a 5 hit.

24% DA will give you a new hit every 4 hits, moving you from a 6 hit to a 5 hit half the time, and a 4 hit the other half, and also gives you the damage from those attacks while the save tp just increases TP, the DA would add white damage.

If you build your TP set differently than normal a better comparison could be made, but since you left all of that information out, that implies that it doesn't matter and everything is kept the same.

All that said, Flowers did poorly word his post, I blame it on the fact that he's terrible and doing abyssea right now.

Keep in mind this also just quick math, I'm not accounting for when you get that DA on the last attack of the round and overshoot 100 TP and stuff.

Regain is accounted for in the 3hit. It's always a 3hit, and it's occasionally a 2hit 25% of the time (In a basic TP set).

If I'm right, there's about 35% more WS frequency with Misers+Discipline.

So regain make you drop 2 hit (sometimes 3) ? if so it's better than save tp atmacite !

Also wouldn't 2 tp bonus atmacite + moonshade + champion + bloodrage pretty much give you 100% crit hit rate on ukko's fury ?

Don't war over tp most of the time before ukko's fury animation is over anyway wich make 24% on dot part (and add some ws dmg too) more usefull ?

sucks to be the one to mention it but
http://awabi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/ogame/1334767343/
post 178/184
ogier's legs/phorcys korazin WSD bonus seems to only apply to the first hit

Less than ideal, but that changes very little. Depending on one's attack, that might make it less desirable for Resolution. Virtually everything else is unaffected.

Wrong thread I know, but how would this now be vs twilight for entropy? Only ws that really hit me as phorcys not beeing the best for

Probably follows the same reasoning as Resolution being that they're both non-crit, multi-hit, high mod WSs. I don't personally know what to compare it to though.

On this vein, unless you need the accuracy from Ace's Mail, Phorcys is still going to be better. This would effect non-Rag users in some situations.

So does this discovery push Avant +1 legs or Heca sub +1 ahead of Ogier's for Ukko's? Figures, I finally get Ogier's breeches last night and I wake up this morning to read this lol.

Regardless, Ogier's are top notch for a PDT set, so you still got a worthwhile piece.

Also probably still a very nice piece if you need accuracy

in regards to misers+discipline use still. How viable is it? I've pretty much always asked for misers + chaos but the "elite" ls on my server chewed my *** out and called me a noob for asking for it.

does 24% da really beat getting 45 tp return per ws? I've asked for some hard numbers but no one has produced any.

Night, I am jumping servers and giving you all my Gil. I still seem to screw up on my sets. Man I wish you were on Biz when I go shopping!!

Night put me in charge of his gil, so give it to me.

Lol!! Not on your life Aus!!! But I would take your advice anytime!'

I advise you to give your gil to me over Night.

On merits or equipment!!

Chrono, that's no nice!!

So... ogier/phorcys isn't only first hit?

No, you would need around 14tp/tick regain to account for Misers+Discipline, usually twice that.

No, you would at most get 80%

No, only bad players and DA/TA/QA procs over tp.

Wow, didn't know that . Thank you Loin.

This is a little tangential, but which spreadsheet do you guys use? I've been using the one from here (had to add some missing pieces) and I'm having difficulty reproducing some of the results in this thread.

For example, on a mob of Lv115, Eva509 and AGI 126 (assuming this should be decent for Rex?), I'm seeing capped melee accuracy with Aggressor, Pizza(NQ) and only 19 accuracy from gear.

Not sure on Rex but Ig-alima who is part of the other side op is level 120. I always assumed rex's evasion/agi were 530/140ish last I tried to put them in, but I get an error on occaison. He hasn't updated the sheet since the 6th, as you can see.

EDIT: I don't have my Rex parse any more it seems so I can't help you on exactly what my accuracy was on War.