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By Blazed1979 2014-09-18 12:05:22
Asura.Refreshazure said: »Don't get me wrong: the *** is a waste of oxygen, I know plenty just the same, but as a civilized society we shouldn't be in the business of murder, they're caught and can't harm society anymore, there's no excuse or justification for killing them.
ya it wrong to kill in civilized society and it may cost more but i still think we need to look past that and kill her, child mutilation/murder needs a death sentenced she needs to be in the ground and you cant let that kind of murder go or there may be some one who will mimic her and go "i can get way with it o only get only get life".
Any way back to are back to are regular scheduled drone attacks on muslims So you're looking past the points that matter in favor of your sick and twisted delusions of justice?
Some of you are just bloodthirsty, it's quite disgusting, and I bet every one of you would be in favor of public executions, and go watch. You'll gun someone down looking for help on a porch in the middle of the night because you're a coward afraid of what they "might" do, but call us bloodthirsty for wanting to see a *** terrible human being executed for heinous crimes.
What the actual ***. I'd gun somebody down who I think for all intents and purpose is trying to break in, high and trying to do me harm, you're damn straight I will.
You are bloodthirsty as that's what keeps being posted here.
How do you consolidate those two positions?
You kill a thief or intruder but spare the murderer?
You assume that the intruder is a thief, but most likely they're there to do harm to you, most thieves don't break into a known occupied home, home invasions are dangerous and often result in losing life or limb. Self defence is absolute, and about the only time I can think for actually killing somebody on purpose and being fine with it, but I'm sure if we dig, I can find a few other rare instances.
But there's no justice in executions, nothing is being protected, nothing is saved. Well you can't say for certain that the intruder is coming to harm you, but you can say for certain that a murderer killed. So
I can only conclude that you support killing as a preventive measure. Thus you should agree with the death penalty when necessary seeing as it not only a preventive measure but also a deterrent.
I don't have to, but the potential threat is definitely there.
You cannot say for certain that a convicted murderer has killed, posted a link to that earlier.
The death penalty isn't a preventative measure or a deterrent to anything, and no I support the use of lethal force when there's something to protect, there's nothing being protected in this or other capital execution cases. I don't disagree that there are innocent people behind bars or on death row. But that is a flaw in the judicial system.
And Death penalty is most definitely a preventative measure, as is jail time, the lack of which would lead to anarchy and chaos. Death sentences being available are just more potent a deterrent than prison sentences.
Pretty sure that it's been proven that it's not a deterrent to violent crime, but I don't feel like backing that up, so I'll just disagree.
Well, if that is true, it begs the question: If the threat of death isn't enough of a deterrence to stop people from killing others, shouldn't said people be eliminated? Aren't they even a greater threat to society?
No, as you're talking about the entire population at that point. I don't know if I misunderstood "entire society" but are you implying all of society have murderous tenancies? Everyone is capable of murder, nowhere did I say that "the death sentence is not a deterrent for these individuals here" I was talking about it not being a deterrent for society as a whole.
Most people don't needlessly kill because they find it wrong to do, others will kill for crimes of passion (revenge, etc), others will do it for gain, out of the two instances it's either they don't care about the penalties of getting caught or they they think they won't get caught. It usually takes a lot to drive somebody to take the life of another unwarranted.
Then there's cases such as these where the individuals are just *** in the head, as we don't have a psych profile to go on, we can't say for sure what they were thinking, looks like control issues, some remorse. Considering how long it was going on though: it was probably safe to assume that they didn't care about the potential penalties, as they had plenty of opportunity to stop, and no real gain.
I see your points clearly. Appreciated. But you still are kinda dodging the reasons why some think the death penalty is necessary.
Individuals who kill for gain: Lack of a death penalty would only increase the frequency at which these types kill.
Individuals who kill in retaliation (other required than self defense): Lack of a death penalty would place "killing" as a retaliatory measure much higher on the "possible responses" list in their decision making.
Individuals who have murderous urges due to mental conditions, the insane: Jury is still out on this with me. But if they are that much of a threat, I'd rather see them dead than an innocent child, woman or man.
I think the pro-death penalty people see things in just that way - i.e "I would rather stomach seeing this murderer dead than risk anyone else getting killed by allowing him to live"
By Jetackuu 2014-09-18 12:06:48
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »If you benefit from the intellectual property of another person, group, business, corporation, or other legal entity, without their express permission, or knowledge, that falls under the definition of theft, as you are depriving them of their business and livelihood.
Yet I'm not benefiting, I'm not gaining anything.
It also doesn't fall under the definition, nor am I depriving anyone of anything.
What's the point in arguing with you?
You've got an excuse for everything. You confuse reasoning with excuses, how's that biblical justice working out for you?
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-09-18 12:08:10
Death penalty as a preventitive measure has already been debunked.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-09-18 12:08:53
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-09-18 12:09:07
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »Some definitions, yo:
Homocide: The killing of human being by another human being
Murder: The unlawuful killing of a human being by another human being without justification or excuse
Quote: Although the term homicide is sometimes used synonymously with murder, homicide is broader in scope than murder. Murder is a form of criminal homicide; other forms of homicide might not constitute criminal acts. These homicides are regarded as justified or excusable. For example, individuals may, in a necessary act of Self-Defense, kill a person who threatens them with death or serious injury, or they may be commanded or authorized by law to kill a person who is a member of an enemy force or who has committed a serious crime. Typically, the circumstances surrounding a killing determine whether it is criminal. The intent of the killer usually determines whether a criminal homicide is classified as murder or Manslaughter and at what degree. To add regarding death certificates specifically:
The term murder is not used. It is homicide.
Then it is decided by various officials if it is justified or murder, self defense, etc.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-18 12:09:42
I see your points clearly. Appreciated. But you still are kinda dodging the reasons why some think the death penalty is necessary.
Individuals who kill for gain: Lack of a death penalty would only increase the frequency at which these types kill.
Individuals who kill in retaliation (other required than self defense): Lack of a death penalty would place "killing" as a retaliatory measure much higher on the "possible responses" list in their decision making.
Individuals who have murderous urges due to mental conditions, the insane: Jury is still out on this with me. But if they are that much of a threat, I'd rather see them dead than an innocent child, woman or man.
I think the pro-death penalty people see things in just that way - i.e "I would rather stomach seeing this murderer dead than risk anyone else getting killed by allowing him to live"
First one: no it wouldn't, can you prove this? As you're merely just throwing conjecture.
Second one: again, conjecture.
If somebody has a mental condition to where they couldn't control what they did, then they need treatment not punishment.
You see things in that way, but falsely as it's pure emotional garbage mixed in with conjecture.
By Blazed1979 2014-09-18 12:10:22
Death penalty as a preventitive measure has already been debunked.
In all situations and types of murder? I could be wrong and it really might have no consequence on people killing each other, in which case I would become Pro-Gun. (because it would mean that the average human being is a lot more irrational than I thought)
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-09-18 12:10:47
See my previous point for a quick background on why I think it is. To address your question specifically; because said individuals who cannot be deterred by threat of death are an absolute menace to everyone around them. There's no definitive evidence that capital punishment works as a deterrent. It's apparently a difficult topic to properly quantify due to a variety of confounding factors and necessary assumptions that muddy the data. If you're aware of something new, please share.
If you believe prison time is appropriate, then one could argue you are willingly putting the guards and other prison inmates at risk of being murdered by having such people alive and well, anywhere on the face of this earth. This just isn't a good argument. Risk is inherent when working in such close proximity to convicted criminals. The death row inmate is also not being killed because of what he/she might to but what they were convicted of in court. There's no due process in being punished for something you could do.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-18 12:12:52
Death penalty as a preventitive measure has already been debunked.
In all situations and types of murder? I could be wrong and it really might have no consequence on people killing each other, in which case I would become Pro-Gun. (because it would mean that the average human being is a lot more irrational than I thought)
May I reccomend a Smith & Wesson?
Despite my support of it, the Death Penalty is pretty well researched to not be a deterrent to violent crime. I can't cite statistics for you atm, but others have posted them before.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-09-18 12:14:14
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »If you benefit from the intellectual property of another person, group, business, corporation, or other legal entity, without their express permission, or knowledge, that falls under the definition of theft, as you are depriving them of their business and livelihood.
Yet I'm not benefiting, I'm not gaining anything.
It also doesn't fall under the definition, nor am I depriving anyone of anything.
What's the point in arguing with you?
You've got an excuse for everything. You confuse reasoning with excuses, how's that biblical justice working out for you? Except you are benefitting and gaining (non-physical gains can still be counted as gains) by stealing services or goods that fall under Intellectual Property, which deprives the person, group, business, corporation, or other legal entity, of the compensation it deserves.
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-09-18 12:14:30
(because it would mean that the average human being is a lot more irrational than I thought)
people tend to underestimate desperation.
some people live lives that they wouldn't mind if they ended. destitution & fear can be incredible motivators. the death penalty is of no concern to people who don't value their own lives.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-18 12:14:51
Death penalty as a preventitive measure has already been debunked.
In all situations and types of murder? I could be wrong and it really might have no consequence on people killing each other, in which case I would become Pro-Gun. (because it would mean that the average human being is a lot more irrational than I thought) Are you trying to say to not fear a lethal punishment when you're about to kill somebody is illogical? Do you not see the disconnect there?
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-18 12:15:03
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »If you benefit from the intellectual property of another person, group, business, corporation, or other legal entity, without their express permission, or knowledge, that falls under the definition of theft, as you are depriving them of their business and livelihood.
Yet I'm not benefiting, I'm not gaining anything.
It also doesn't fall under the definition, nor am I depriving anyone of anything.
What's the point in arguing with you?
You've got an excuse for everything. You confuse reasoning with excuses, how's that biblical justice working out for you? Except you are benefitting and gaining (non-physical gains can still be counted as gains) by stealing services or goods that fall under Intellectual Property, which deprives the person, group, business, corporation, or other legal entity, of the compensation it deserves.
No, no, no. He's not benefitting. He's actually suffering a hardship. They should really pay him for tolerating their product.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-09-18 12:16:20
Fenrir.Candlejack said: »The state of Texas murders a negro, no one bats an eye.
Some vigilante cop further north murders a negro, everyone... loses their minds. Sorry for a backread, but...
WHAT THE *** HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU????
Why in the *** hell do you think this is a racial thing?????
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By Fenrir.Mariane 2014-09-18 12:17:10
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »If you benefit from the intellectual property of another person, group, business, corporation, or other legal entity, without their express permission, or knowledge, that falls under the definition of theft, as you are depriving them of their business and livelihood.
But they're just corporations that don't need that money.
They're ripping him off trying to charge him.
He's got a right to whatever he wants.
It works this way:
He does what he want, get caught doing it and law is enforced. Big corporation sues to protect their business (they only want to make sure people is afraid from doing it). The only people who are really winning on that one are the lawyers.
SAME thing with the capital penalty, huh ? I suppose the blood suckers are the lawyers in the end ? (lol this was sarcasm, ok ? don't hate me) XD
Edit: To an extent, murdering could also be qualified as "doing what one want without any care about the consequences".
By Jetackuu 2014-09-18 12:17:13
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »If you benefit from the intellectual property of another person, group, business, corporation, or other legal entity, without their express permission, or knowledge, that falls under the definition of theft, as you are depriving them of their business and livelihood.
Yet I'm not benefiting, I'm not gaining anything.
It also doesn't fall under the definition, nor am I depriving anyone of anything.
What's the point in arguing with you?
You've got an excuse for everything. You confuse reasoning with excuses, how's that biblical justice working out for you? Except you are benefitting and gaining (non-physical gains can still be counted as gains) by stealing services or goods that fall under Intellectual Property, which deprives the person, group, business, corporation, or other legal entity, of the compensation it deserves. Yet it's not stealing, nor depriving them of anything.
It makes no difference whether or not I buy a used dvd or just download it off thepiratebay.se in regards to their "compensation they deserve." They're still getting zero dollars. But you're also assuming that I would purchase it otherwise, which is a large assumption.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-09-18 12:17:25
Fenrir.Candlejack said: »The state of Texas murders a negro, no one bats an eye.
Some vigilante cop further north murders a negro, everyone... loses their minds. Sorry for a backread, but...
WHAT THE *** HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU????
Why in the *** hell do you think this is a racial thing????? It's Candlejack, all he sees is "black and white" and sometimes yellow.
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-18 12:18:22
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »If you benefit from the intellectual property of another person, group, business, corporation, or other legal entity, without their express permission, or knowledge, that falls under the definition of theft, as you are depriving them of their business and livelihood.
But they're just corporations that don't need that money.
They're ripping him off trying to charge him.
He's got a right to whatever he wants.
It works this way:
He does what he want, get caught doing it and law is enforced. Big corporation sues to protect their business (they only want to make sure people is afraid from doing it). The only people who are really winning on that one are the lawyers.
SAME thing with the capital penalty, huh ? I suppose the blood suckers are the lawyers in the end ? (lol this was sarcasm, ok ? don't hate me) XD
Edit: To an extent, murdering could also be qualified as "doing what one want without any care about the consequences".
I'm the last of the corporations' worry.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-09-18 12:19:35
Buying a used dvd, typically means it's already been paid for, and has thus been offered compensation for the initial product.
Downloading something that you didn't pay for (that the author/writer/etc.) doesn't get compensated for, or the illegal sale of such acts, is theft and piracy.
Do you really not see the *** clearly defined difference?
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-09-18 12:21:30
Who even uses the term 'negro' anymore? Other than the Cliven Bundys of the world.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-09-18 12:21:59
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »Downloading something that you didn't pay for (that the author/writer/etc.) doesn't get compensated for, or the illegal sale of such acts, is theft and piracy. 
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-18 12:22:06
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »If you benefit from the intellectual property of another person, group, business, corporation, or other legal entity, without their express permission, or knowledge, that falls under the definition of theft, as you are depriving them of their business and livelihood.
Yet I'm not benefiting, I'm not gaining anything.
It also doesn't fall under the definition, nor am I depriving anyone of anything.
What's the point in arguing with you?
You've got an excuse for everything. You confuse reasoning with excuses, how's that biblical justice working out for you? Except you are benefitting and gaining (non-physical gains can still be counted as gains) by stealing services or goods that fall under Intellectual Property, which deprives the person, group, business, corporation, or other legal entity, of the compensation it deserves. Yet it's not stealing, nor depriving them of anything.
It makes no difference whether or not I buy a used dvd or just download it off thepiratebay.se in regards to their "compensation they deserve." They're still getting zero dollars. But you're also assuming that I would purchase it otherwise, which is a large assumption.
Jet, the great Pirate Hacker Robin Hood of the 2000s.
In 300 years movies will be made of his exploits.
He'll swashbuckle and type and romance beautiful young maidens.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-18 12:23:40
Who even uses the term 'negro' anymore? Other than the Cliven Bundys of the world.
I'll drop the word once in a great while when I'm making a sarcastic comment. Mostly because...who the hell uses it anymore? I'm clearly being sarcastic.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-18 12:23:47
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »Buying a used dvd, typically means it's already been paid for, and has thus been offered compensation for the initial product.
Downloading something that you didn't pay for (that the author/writer/etc.) doesn't get compensated for, or the illegal sale of such acts, is theft and piracy.
Do you really not see the *** clearly defined difference? Yet somebody purchased the original dvd they uploaded and had been compensated.
There's no theft in piracy, but good job on being dupped by media.
There's no deprivation.
Come back to me when we live in a world where digital content can't be recreated by reversing the 0's and 1's in the content, then I'll give a ***.
Piracy still isn't theft, no matter what you want to call it.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-09-18 12:23:57
Who even uses the term 'negro' anymore? Other than the Cliven Bundys of the world. Lately over here "banana eaters" has become popular for some reason.
And I'm offended cause I like bananas too and I'm the whitest chick in town!
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-18 12:24:37
Who even uses the term 'negro' anymore? Other than the Cliven Bundys of the world. Lately over here "banana eaters" has become popular for some reason.
And I'm offended cause I like bananas too and I'm the whitest chick in town!
Seriously. You're in Italy. Shouldn't you be olive-complected?
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-09-18 12:24:56
Who even uses the term 'negro' anymore? Other than the Cliven Bundys of the world.
I'll drop the word once in a great while when I'm making a sarcastic comment. Mostly because...who the hell uses it anymore? I'm clearly being sarcastic.
White racists. It's like saying orientals at this point.
Those *** crackas. LOL, I can't even type that without bursting into laughter.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-18 12:25:33
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »Downloading something that you didn't pay for (that the author/writer/etc.) doesn't get compensated for, or the illegal sale of such acts, is theft and piracy. I would, an American pizza!
Edit: but an Italian car...
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-09-18 12:26:09
Seriously. You're in Italy. Shouldn't you be olive-complected? Most people in southern Italy are like that yeah, darker skin, curly black hair, curvy. I'm a minority..protect me!
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-18 12:26:17
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »Buying a used dvd, typically means it's already been paid for, and has thus been offered compensation for the initial product.
Downloading something that you didn't pay for (that the author/writer/etc.) doesn't get compensated for, or the illegal sale of such acts, is theft and piracy.
Do you really not see the *** clearly defined difference? Yet somebody purchased the original dvd they uploaded and had been compensated.
There's no theft in piracy, but good job on being dupped by media.
There's no deprivation.
Come back to me when we live in a world where digital content can't be recreated by reversing the 0's and 1's in the content, then I'll give a ***.
Piracy still isn't theft, no matter what you want to call it.
Bet you'd feel different if you actually had any intellectual property rights.
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Quote: Texas set to execute woman convicted of starving 9-year-old
(Reuters) - A woman convicted of the 2004 starving death of a 9-year-old boy is scheduled to die on Wednesday by lethal injection at a Texas state prison, authorities said.
Lisa Ann Coleman, 38, would be the second woman executed in the United States this year and the 15th since the U.S. Supreme Court reinstated the death penalty in 1976.
Coleman is scheduled to be put to death after 6 p.m. Central Time (7 p.m. EDT) at the state's death chamber in Huntsville. She would also be the 517th prisoner put to death in Texas, the most of any state since 1976.
Investigators were called to Coleman's house in July 2004, where they found Davontae Williams dead with a disfigured ear, swollen hands and ligature marks on his wrists and ankles, according to court records.
An autopsy determined that Williams, son of Coleman's long-time girlfriend, Marcella Williams, had died from malnutrition and pneumonia and weighed just 35 pounds, court records said.
He had been beaten with a golf club and bound by an extension cord, investigators found. His body also showed signs of having been treated with over-the-counter medications, ointments, creams and bandages, court records said.
There was evidence that suggested he was fed chicken noodle soup and Pedialyte before he died, but a doctor testified that the food he received was "inadequate ... too late, and possibly too much," court records said.
Coleman was convicted of capital murder by a jury in 2006 and sentenced to death. Williams also was convicted of capital murder. Williams was sentenced to life in prison and is eligible for parole in 30 years, according to prison records.
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