Jetackuu said: »
Ropes are cheap. Instead of wasting time sterilizing rooms and the needles used to inject them with a cocktail of drugs meant to ease your way out.
Execute Woman - Starving & Abusing 9-year-old
execute woman - starving & abusing 9-year-old
Ropes are cheap. Instead of wasting time sterilizing rooms and the needles used to inject them with a cocktail of drugs meant to ease your way out.
Jetackuu said: »
There's no such thing as justifiable murder, if it were justifiable then it would be homicide, not murder.
kind of contradicting yourself there, but from the middle.
The ultimate act is the same. Someone is dead. Our justifications is the only thing that mentally changes it. Whether or not its murder, homicide, self defense, it all comes down to justification. The end result is the same.
On topic, i find this execution perfectly justifiable. Ppl like that should not be allowed to live. There is no upside to keeping a person like this alive in prison. The only upside is you conscious feels better. - She tortured over a long time span and killed her kid. If left alive theirs no telling what she will do to other ppl. Most of the time they kill again.
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Jetackuu said: »
it costs about 2.3 million dollars to execute somebody in texas (the trial fee may be included in that).
I'd like to see the accounting in that. There has to be more to that than just the execution procedure itself.
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Fenrir.Richybear said: »
Aside from if someone has a needle phobia, lethal injection is such a pussy way to do it.
I say expose them to anthrax (not the band, although that could be punishment enough.) and let it run its course.
A needle of "Now Mr/Mrs Jones, you're gonna get realllll sleepy. Goodnight now." seems kinda weak.
I say expose them to anthrax (not the band, although that could be punishment enough.) and let it run its course.
A needle of "Now Mr/Mrs Jones, you're gonna get realllll sleepy. Goodnight now." seems kinda weak.
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Jetackuu said: »
they're caught and can't harm society anymore,
tell that to the family's of all the guards killed, or those that managed to escape and do more harm before being caught (if they were caught)
Odin.Godofgods said: »
kind of contradicting yourself there, but from the middle.
The ultimate act is the same. Someone is dead. Our justifications is the only thing that mentally changes it. Whether or not its murder, homicide, self defense, it all comes down to justification. The end result is the same.
On topic, i find this execution perfectly justifiable. Ppl like that should not be allowed to live. There is no upside to keeping a person like this alive in prison. The only upside is you conscious feels better. - She tortured over a long time span and killed her kid. If left alive theirs no telling what she will do to other ppl. Most of the time they kill again.
The ultimate act is the same. Someone is dead. Our justifications is the only thing that mentally changes it. Whether or not its murder, homicide, self defense, it all comes down to justification. The end result is the same.
On topic, i find this execution perfectly justifiable. Ppl like that should not be allowed to live. There is no upside to keeping a person like this alive in prison. The only upside is you conscious feels better. - She tortured over a long time span and killed her kid. If left alive theirs no telling what she will do to other ppl. Most of the time they kill again.
Amendment #8 is subject to interpretation.
Oh costs of their right to trial, appeal, not sure what else, but that's the law.
Cerberus.Tidis said: »
Fenrir.Richybear said: »
Aside from if someone has a needle phobia, lethal injection is such a pussy way to do it.
I say expose them to anthrax (not the band, although that could be punishment enough.) and let it run its course.
A needle of "Now Mr/Mrs Jones, you're gonna get realllll sleepy. Goodnight now." seems kinda weak.
I say expose them to anthrax (not the band, although that could be punishment enough.) and let it run its course.
A needle of "Now Mr/Mrs Jones, you're gonna get realllll sleepy. Goodnight now." seems kinda weak.
Our prison systems are totally *** up, that doesn't change the fact that executing a prisoner is murder and unjustifiable.
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Amendment #8 is subject to interpretation.
hanging by the neck is one hell of a way to go, but all methods except pretty much a firing squad are a pretty nasty way to go. That includes injection.
You ladies have fun with your emotional arguments, I'm going to go do some missions.
Jetackuu said: »
Cerberus.Tidis said: »
Fenrir.Richybear said: »
Aside from if someone has a needle phobia, lethal injection is such a pussy way to do it.
I say expose them to anthrax (not the band, although that could be punishment enough.) and let it run its course.
A needle of "Now Mr/Mrs Jones, you're gonna get realllll sleepy. Goodnight now." seems kinda weak.
I say expose them to anthrax (not the band, although that could be punishment enough.) and let it run its course.
A needle of "Now Mr/Mrs Jones, you're gonna get realllll sleepy. Goodnight now." seems kinda weak.
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Jetackuu said: »
Odin.Godofgods said: »
kind of contradicting yourself there, but from the middle.
The ultimate act is the same. Someone is dead. Our justifications is the only thing that mentally changes it. Whether or not its murder, homicide, self defense, it all comes down to justification. The end result is the same.
On topic, i find this execution perfectly justifiable. Ppl like that should not be allowed to live. There is no upside to keeping a person like this alive in prison. The only upside is you conscious feels better. - She tortured over a long time span and killed her kid. If left alive theirs no telling what she will do to other ppl. Most of the time they kill again.
The ultimate act is the same. Someone is dead. Our justifications is the only thing that mentally changes it. Whether or not its murder, homicide, self defense, it all comes down to justification. The end result is the same.
On topic, i find this execution perfectly justifiable. Ppl like that should not be allowed to live. There is no upside to keeping a person like this alive in prison. The only upside is you conscious feels better. - She tortured over a long time span and killed her kid. If left alive theirs no telling what she will do to other ppl. Most of the time they kill again.
Again, that circles back to my point earlier about justification.
But one of the fundamental difference in views between us is that you seem to see it as 'Murder' where as i lean more towards a 'self defense'. (Or at least its one way i can look at it.)
If someone comes into your home with the intent to harm, you have the right to take them out. - Self defense of a personal nature.
If you see someone go into your neighbors house with an intent to harm, you can go over there and take them out in defense of your neighbor. - Self defense of a community
An execution in this specific case, i see as a self defense of a societal nature. Someone came into our world with intent to torture and kill. Take them out.
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Also there is just no benefit to keeping them alive. Alive they can continue to torture and kill. Be it inmates, prison guards, or civilians if they escape. If there dead, they can not torture and kill anyone. Ever.
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
She might be not guilty, is the argument against capital punishment.
That and some of us don't feel it's ok to take another human life. Under any circumstance.
Explain to me why race is a factor in this case again?
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Odin.Godofgods said: »
Again, that circles back to my point earlier about justification.
But one of the fundamental difference in views between us is that you seem to see it as 'Murder' where as i lean more towards a 'self defense'. (Or at least its one way i can look at it.)
If someone comes into your home with the intent to harm, you have the right to take them out. - Self defense of a personal nature.
If you see someone go into your neighbors house with an intent to harm, you can go over there and take them out in defense of your neighbor. - Self defense of a community
An execution in this specific case, i see as a self defense of a societal nature. Someone came into our world with intent to torture and kill. Take them out.
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Also there is just no benefit to keeping them alive. Alive they can continue to torture and kill. Be it inmates, prison guards, or civilians if they escape. If there dead, they can not torture and kill anyone. Ever.
It's murder, it's an execution of a prisoner who has no chance of being a threat to society, there's no justification for killing them.
In any of your other cases if the person was already subdued it would be murder to kill them too.
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mortontony1 said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
She might be not guilty, is the argument against capital punishment.
That and some of us don't feel it's ok to take another human life. Under any circumstance.
I dont like the idea. Its not like im cheering for an oppertunity to go killing. Most other ppl arnt either. But the fact remains that; left alive, she can kill in cold blood again and again. While killing her might suck, at least as far as this case goes, the killing is stopped. - She killed kid, she gets killed. 2 Deaths. / Shes kills kid, kept alive, kills 3 more ppl. 5 Deaths wih the potential for more. Ill take option 1. Needs of the many.
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Explain to me why race is a factor in this case again?
It isn't, but she is black and being executed in Texas which auto-labels it as a race issue for some people.
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Jetackuu said: »
Odin.Godofgods said: »
Again, that circles back to my point earlier about justification.
But one of the fundamental difference in views between us is that you seem to see it as 'Murder' where as i lean more towards a 'self defense'. (Or at least its one way i can look at it.)
If someone comes into your home with the intent to harm, you have the right to take them out. - Self defense of a personal nature.
If you see someone go into your neighbors house with an intent to harm, you can go over there and take them out in defense of your neighbor. - Self defense of a community
An execution in this specific case, i see as a self defense of a societal nature. Someone came into our world with intent to torture and kill. Take them out.
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Also there is just no benefit to keeping them alive. Alive they can continue to torture and kill. Be it inmates, prison guards, or civilians if they escape. If there dead, they can not torture and kill anyone. Ever.
It's murder, it's an execution of a prisoner who has no chance of being a threat to society, there's no justification for killing them.
In any of your other cases if the person was already subdued it would be murder to kill them too.
Put her to death, send her to North Korea, let her rot in prison... I couldn't care less what you do. The state kills people all the time in unjustified wars counter-terrorism special operations around the world, cops kill people everyday. One less state sponsored killing isn't going to make a difference in the grand scheme of things.
Give her a gun and set her free in Syria. Call her a moderate rebel. Problem solved.
Give her a gun and set her free in Syria. Call her a moderate rebel. Problem solved.
If a guard was killed then it was their own stupidity for placing themselves in that situation, and when was the last time you heard of a prisoner escaping maximum security prison?
This isn't shawshank.
This isn't shawshank.
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Put her to death, send her to North Korea, let her rot in prison... I couldn't care less what you do. The state kills people all the time in unjustified wars counter-terrorism special operations around the world, cops kill people everyday. One less state sponsored killing isn't going to make a difference in the grand scheme of things.
Give her a gun and set her free in Syria. Call her a moderate rebel. Problem solved.
Give her a gun and set her free in Syria. Call her a moderate rebel. Problem solved.
Personally I don't like having unjustifiable deaths on my conscience.
So we should murder people in prison to keep them from escaping? Sounds legit.
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Jetackuu said: »
If a guard was killed then it was their own stupidity for placing themselves in that situation, and when was the last time you heard of a prisoner escaping maximum security prison?
This isn't shawshank.
This isn't shawshank.
Although they caught him like 48 hours later or something like that. One of his accomplices in the escape is still out though.
Jetackuu said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Put her to death, send her to North Korea, let her rot in prison... I couldn't care less what you do. The state kills people all the time in unjustified wars counter-terrorism special operations around the world, cops kill people everyday. One less state sponsored killing isn't going to make a difference in the grand scheme of things.
Give her a gun and set her free in Syria. Call her a moderate rebel. Problem solved.
Give her a gun and set her free in Syria. Call her a moderate rebel. Problem solved.
Personally I don't like having unjustifiable deaths on my conscience.
I highly doubt you're going to have trouble sleeping at night when Texas executes this woman.
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