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By Demoncard 2014-09-18 11:26:02
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Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
I wasn't referencing to this case, specifically, but to the acts that have warranted the reinstatement of the death penalty for heinous crimes *like* this.

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just for this
It's too late to backpedal and try to turn that first post into a generalisation. That post was specific in nature, although it was clear from the way it was written that you only skimmed the text. "father of the son" indeed.

Truly a country in decay.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-18 11:26:04
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Self-aggrandizing, narcissistic, advocating the coldblooded execution of car accident victims while they seek medical help...

As I've stated numerous times, I don't advocate for murder, but I do for self defense, obviously you and some others can't comprehend the difference.

You're not defending yourself in that instance.

You're being a coward. Shooting someone because they might pose a threat to you.

You know. That thing you get upset at the big, bad, corrupt police for doing.
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-18 11:26:49
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Well you can't say for certain that the intruder is coming to harm you, but you can say for certain that a murderer killed. So

I can only conclude that you support killing as a preventive measure. Thus you should agree with the death penalty when necessary seeing as it not only a preventive measure but also a deterrent.

I don't have to, but the potential threat is definitely there.

You cannot say for certain that a convicted murderer has killed, posted a link to that earlier.

The death penalty isn't a preventative measure or a deterrent to anything, and no I support the use of lethal force when there's something to protect, there's nothing being protected in this or other capital execution cases.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-09-18 11:26:52
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Stalin knew how to execute fools on the cheap. we need to get on his level.
/disapoint
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-09-18 11:27:35
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Siren.Mosin said: »
Stalin knew how to execute fools on the cheap. we need to get on his level.
/disapoint

I'm joking.
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-18 11:27:46
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Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
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Self-aggrandizing and narcissistic is what you are.

But I guess we wouldn't love you any other way.
Actually I'm not either of those things...

I'll contest to being a *** though.

Look at the definitions again. You at least broadly fit into the definition of both.
By that standard we all do.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-09-18 11:27:58
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There was an attempted appeal.

More detailed account of the abuse.

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Woman Executed for Boy's 2004 Starvation Death
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In 2004, Davontae Marcel Williams, on the left, was found starved to death. Lisa Ann Coleman, on the right, is scheduled to be executed Wednesday night for her role in the boy's death. If carried out, she would be the sixth woman to be executed in Texas since 1982.

In 2004, Davontae Marcel Williams, on the left, was found starved to death. Lisa Ann Coleman, on the right, is scheduled to be executed Wednesday night for her role in the boy's death. If carried out, she would be the sixth woman to be executed in Texas since 1982.

Texas death row inmate Lisa Ann Coleman was executed Wednesday night, the sixth woman put to death since the death penalty was reinstated in Texas.

Coleman, 38, was convicted and sentenced to death for the 2004 starvation death of her girlfriend's son, Davontae Marcel Williams.

Before the lethal drug pentobarbital was injected into her inside the execution chamber at the state's Huntsville Unit, Coleman expressed love for her family and thanked her lawyers.

“I just want to tell my family I love them, my son, I love him," Coleman said, according to a statement released by the Texas Department of Criminal Justice. "God is good … I’m done.”

She died 12 minutes after the drug was administered. Department of Criminal Justice spokesman Robert Hurst said Coleman's time of death was 6:24 p.m.

Coleman was the 517th person to be executed in the state since 1982, the year Texas reinstated the death penalty following a 1976 Supreme Court decision that allowed states to resume capital punishment. She is the ninth person executed in Texas this year.

She was living with her girlfriend, Marcella Williams, in an Arlington apartment complex when paramedics discovered the starved corpse of a 9-year-old boy on July 26, 2004. He had been beaten, bore 250 scars and weighed 35 pounds at the time of his death, about half the typical weight for a child his age.

At the time of his death, Davontae was suffering from pneumonia. His cause of death was malnutrition with pneumonia as a contributing factor, according to the Tarrant County Medical Examiner's Office.

Both Coleman and the boy’s mother were charged with capital murder. But Williams pleaded guilty in 2006 to avoid facing the death penalty at trial. Child Protective Services records showed Williams and her son had been the subject of at least six child abuse investigations.

Coleman’s attorney, John Stickels of Arlington, appealed her death sentence based on how his client was initially charged.

In Texas, there has to be an underlying felony or second crime committed for a defendant to be charged with capital murder. Before 2011, those underlying crimes were murder, kidnapping, burglary, robbery, obstruction or terroristic threat. But in 2011, lawmakers added the killing of a child under the age of 10 to those underlying crimes.

In the Davontae Williams case, prosecutors used kidnapping as the underlying crime. Prosecutors presented evidence that Davontae had been locked in a pantry and kept from leaving his own home.

But Stickels says there was no kidnapping, at least not according to Texas law. His appeal to the U.S. 5th Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans based on that claim was rejected late Tuesday, and the U.S. Supreme Court chose not to intervene.

“It is wrong, it is child abuse, but it’s not kidnapping,” Stickels said. “I’m not saying she’s innocent and did not do something wrong. But it’s just not kidnapping.”

At Coleman’s 2006 trial, it was revealed that the two women bound Davontae’s wrists and sometimes locked him in a pantry. Stickels said that even though the law defines kidnapping as placing someone in an area with the intention of hiding them, it is not kidnapping if a parent places a child in a room to punish him.

“Lisa is absolutely innocent of capital murder,” Stickels insisted. “And if they execute her, they will be executing someone who is innocent of capital murder.”

Reports from those prior CPS investigations detailed how Davontae was found to be hungry. In 1999, he and his sister, Destinee, were placed into foster care after Davontae was found to have been beaten with an extension cord. Coleman denied beating him with a cord, and Williams told CPS that they had bound him with one. Davontae, born four months premature, had developmental disabilities, according to a clinical psychologist who examined the boy after he was placed in foster care.

The two children were eventually returned when Williams promised to stay away from Coleman.

In 2004, Davontae’s case was part of a state review of 1,103 child abuse cases in North Texas that was ordered by Gov. Rick Perry. The state's Health and Human Services Commission Office of Inspector General found that CPS caseworkers failed 70 percent of the time to act quickly to protect a child in danger.

"It appears that CPS Region 3 [Dallas/Fort Worth] was performing at a minimum standard and often below standards," Brian Flood, the commission's inspector general at the time, said in his report to the governor. "When abuse or neglect was indicated in the file, only 30 percent of the time did CPS caseworkers implement the appropriate safety steps for the short term protection of the child."

Going out on a limb here, but I wouldn't doubt it if he wasn't enrolled in school either.

So, what about the child's rights?

EDIT: 5th U.S. Circuit Court is in Louisiana BTW.
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-09-18 11:28:42
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Truly a country in decay.

wine & circuses weren't enough to sustain the roman empire, & they will not be enough to sustain the USA.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-09-18 11:29:37
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Fenrir.Mariane said: »
Can someone explain to me the logic on that ? How keeping an life sentence inmate is cheaper than capital penalty ?

Who is putting that money on their pockets ? The inmate certainly is not. :P
The bulk of the cost has to do with the intense additional scrutiny that comes with pursuing the death penalty at the initial trial. Then there's housing on death row, which is a more specialized facility than regular prison. Plus, appeals and such. The actual execution is probably relatively cheap compared to everything else.
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-18 11:29:46
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Jetackuu said: »
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Self-aggrandizing, narcissistic, advocating the coldblooded execution of car accident victims while they seek medical help...

As I've stated numerous times, I don't advocate for murder, but I do for self defense, obviously you and some others can't comprehend the difference.

You're not defending yourself in that instance.

You're being a coward. Shooting someone because they might pose a threat to you.

You know. That thing you get upset at the big, bad, corrupt police for doing.

Police have a duty to protect and serve and that duty comes before their life (well except for more recent court decisions...) shooting somebody who may be a threat to me isn't cowardly at all, I have a daughter to protect and provide for.

What is cowardly is to execute people who are already in prison because you think they're "bad."

Also in case nobody said it yet: 9.
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By Asura.Ackeronll 2014-09-18 11:30:04
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Seems money is the issue a lot of people are having with this. Can some one actually provide the cost of a life sentence (over 10 years) and a cost of an execution (with 10 year waiting line)?

All honestly I think its only costing more money due to the line being so long. They need to hold Multi Executions to shorten it.

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By Jetackuu 2014-09-18 11:32:52
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Thanks Zah: now we found out that she wasn't even qualified for the death penalty according to the law, but some other sick people (this time judges) refused to follow the law.

Way to go
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By Blazed1979 2014-09-18 11:33:13
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Blazed1979 said: »
Well you can't say for certain that the intruder is coming to harm you, but you can say for certain that a murderer killed. So

I can only conclude that you support killing as a preventive measure. Thus you should agree with the death penalty when necessary seeing as it not only a preventive measure but also a deterrent.

I don't have to, but the potential threat is definitely there.

You cannot say for certain that a convicted murderer has killed, posted a link to that earlier.

The death penalty isn't a preventative measure or a deterrent to anything, and no I support the use of lethal force when there's something to protect, there's nothing being protected in this or other capital execution cases.

I don't disagree that there are innocent people behind bars or on death row. But that is a flaw in the judicial system.

And Death penalty is most definitely a preventative measure, as is jail time, the lack of which would lead to anarchy and chaos. Death sentences being available are just more potent a deterrent than prison sentences.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-18 11:34:14
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Jetackuu said: »
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Jetackuu said: »
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Self-aggrandizing, narcissistic, advocating the coldblooded execution of car accident victims while they seek medical help...

As I've stated numerous times, I don't advocate for murder, but I do for self defense, obviously you and some others can't comprehend the difference.

You're not defending yourself in that instance.

You're being a coward. Shooting someone because they might pose a threat to you.

You know. That thing you get upset at the big, bad, corrupt police for doing.

Police have a duty to protect and serve and that duty comes before their life (well except for more recent court decisions...) shooting somebody who may be a threat to me isn't cowardly at all, I have a daughter to protect and provide for.

What is cowardly is to execute people who are already in prison because you think they're "bad."

Also in case nobody said it yet: 9.

Like I said. Narcissistic.

You can come up with all these reasons you're somehow above or exempt from the standard to which everyone else needs to be held.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-09-18 11:34:17
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Asura.Ackeronll said: »
Seems money is the issue a lot of people are having with this. Can some one actually provide the cost of a life sentence (over 10 years) and a cost of an execution (with 10 year waiting line)?

All honestly I think its only costing more money due to the line being so long. They need to hold Multi Executions to shorten it.
http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issues/death-penalty/us-death-penalty-facts/death-penalty-cost
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2011/09/22/death-and-taxes-the-real-cost-of-the-death-penalty/

It seems to vary by state and reliable data is restricted to the few states that have conducted studies on these things. (Very few apparently)
 
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-18 11:35:02
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Asura.Ackeronll said: »
Seems money is the issue a lot of people are having with this. Can some one actually provide the cost of a life sentence (over 10 years) and a cost of an execution (with 10 year waiting line)?

All honestly I think its only costing more money due to the line being so long. They need to hold Multi Executions to shorten it.

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From the googling I did yesterday it costs about 226k to keep somebody in prison for a decade, compared to the 2.3M to kill somebody in texas (prices vary).

You'd have to keep them in prison for a century for it to match.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-18 11:35:05
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Thanks Zah: now we found out that she wasn't even qualified for the death penalty according to the law, but some other sick people (this time judges) refused to follow the law.

Way to go
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How was she not qualified for the death penalty? Especially in Texas?

Edit: Nevermind, I see your quibble.

Edit2: It's legal double-speak trying to help scum get off the hook.
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-18 11:36:26
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I don't disagree that there are innocent people behind bars or on death row. But that is a flaw in the judicial system.

And Death penalty is most definitely a preventative measure, as is jail time, the lack of which would lead to anarchy and chaos. Death sentences being available are just more potent a deterrent than prison sentences.

Pretty sure that it's been proven that it's not a deterrent to violent crime, but I don't feel like backing that up, so I'll just disagree.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-09-18 11:37:15
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Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
I wasn't referencing to this case, specifically, but to the acts that have warranted the reinstatement of the death penalty for heinous crimes *like* this.

Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
just for this
It's too late to backpedal and try to turn that first post into a generalisation. That post was specific in nature, although it was clear from the way it was written that you only skimmed the text. "father of the son" indeed.

Truly a country in decay.
You have a truly amazing ability to take quotes, or part of quotes, to suit your absolutely HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE views of the world.

Ever hear of this thing called context? No?

How about the post before it that actually stated I erred on that part, and owned up to it? Something you clearly never have the ability to do.
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-18 11:37:17
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Like I said. Narcissistic.

You can come up with all these reasons you're somehow above or exempt from the standard to which everyone else needs to be held.
There was no narcissism in that post, I never said I was above or except from the standard, it's the same standard I hold everyone else to.
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By Blazed1979 2014-09-18 11:37:39
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To The anti-death penalty people: No one is saying you should like it or enjoy it. That doesn't mean it should not be used when necessary because you can't stomach it.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-09-18 11:38:32
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Why is it necessary?
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-09-18 11:38:32
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Here's my problem Jet.

Why not use non-lethal force on those thieves and home invaders then? If the goal is self-defense. Why should we have the ability to dispense summary justice but the legal system with the consent of the people can't?

Why the need for guns if 'murdering' is such a hangup?
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-09-18 11:39:04
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Jetackuu said: »
Thanks Zah: now we found out that she wasn't even qualified for the death penalty according to the law, but some other sick people (this time judges) refused to follow the law.

Way to go
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How was she not qualified for the death penalty? Especially in Texas?

Edit: Nevermind, I see your quibble.

He didn't read.

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In Texas, there has to be an underlying felony or second crime committed for a defendant to be charged with capital murder. Before 2011, those underlying crimes were murder, kidnapping, burglary, robbery, obstruction or terroristic threat. But in 2011, lawmakers added the killing of a child under the age of 10 to those underlying crimes.

Just flappin' his gums rat-tat-tatting across the keyboard.
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By Blazed1979 2014-09-18 11:39:52
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Jetackuu said: »
Blazed1979 said: »
I don't disagree that there are innocent people behind bars or on death row. But that is a flaw in the judicial system.

And Death penalty is most definitely a preventative measure, as is jail time, the lack of which would lead to anarchy and chaos. Death sentences being available are just more potent a deterrent than prison sentences.

Pretty sure that it's been proven that it's not a deterrent to violent crime, but I don't feel like backing that up, so I'll just disagree.

Well, if that is true, it begs the question: If the threat of death isn't enough of a deterrence to stop people from killing others, shouldn't said people be eliminated? Aren't they even a greater threat to society?
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-18 11:40:25
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Jetackuu said: »
Thanks Zah: now we found out that she wasn't even qualified for the death penalty according to the law, but some other sick people (this time judges) refused to follow the law.

Way to go
justice

How was she not qualified for the death penalty? Especially in Texas?

Edit: Nevermind, I see your quibble.

Edit2: It's legal double-speak trying to help scum get off the hook.


not at all, she was charged with an extra crime that she didn't commit, and put to death based on that, there's no justice in that, regardless of how guilty she was of torture and murder.

As much as I dislike lawyers, the system needs to follow the law. While I am of the mind that the death penalty shouldn't even be an option (well it is lolTexas after all) if you're going to do it, at least have it solid.
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-18 11:41:12
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To The anti-death penalty people: No one is saying you should like it or enjoy it. That doesn't mean it should not be used when necessary because you can't stomach it.
It's never necessary.
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-18 11:41:59
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Here's my problem Jet.

Why not use non-lethal force on those thieves and home invaders then? If the goal is self-defense. Why should we have the ability to dispense summary justice but the legal system with the consent of the people can't?

Why the need for guns if 'murdering' is such a hangup?

Self defense isn't murder, and lethal force against the potential threat is more likely to keep you and your family alive.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-18 11:42:31
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Jetackuu said: »
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Thanks Zah: now we found out that she wasn't even qualified for the death penalty according to the law, but some other sick people (this time judges) refused to follow the law.

Way to go
justice

How was she not qualified for the death penalty? Especially in Texas?

Edit: Nevermind, I see your quibble.

Edit2: It's legal double-speak trying to help scum get off the hook.


not at all, she was charged with an extra crime that she didn't commit, and put to death based on that, there's no justice in that, regardless of how guilty she was of torture and murder.

As much as I dislike lawyers, the system needs to follow the law. While I am of the mind that the death penalty shouldn't even be an option (well it is lolTexas after all) if you're going to do it, at least have it solid.

She didn't just kill another person. She killed another person through torture. A child, on top of that.

If that's not a solid reason for maximum sentencing -- death penalty or otherwise -- then there isn't one.
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