Trial Of Magians: Best Of All Jobs.
Trial of Magians: Best of All Jobs.
For GA i have found that the two best possibilities would be DMG:100 Delay:504 cuz it's hawt, and i think the DMG:76 Delay:514 Occ. atk. twice weapon might be better for zergs with a COR in party. Obviously some testing will be needed to determine which would be better, however with my experience and the idea that this weapon might allow for a double attack on the atk. twice proc like fortitude axe it would be possible to reach TP after 1 round. 2 rounds being the more probable. Any ideas on this?
Caitsith.Neonracer said:
Anything good come out of the add on yet for Blue Mage?
PLs list all ( if any) will beneifit blue, I'm dammned Curious.... we're left in the dark.... oops did I say Drk?
( Np pun intended) LoLDrk
PLs list all ( if any) will beneifit blue, I'm dammned Curious.... we're left in the dark.... oops did I say Drk?
( Np pun intended) LoLDrk
Ragnarok.Ruklin said:
For GA i have found that the two best possibilities would be DMG:100 Delay:504 cuz it's hawt, and i think the DMG:76 Delay:514 Occ. atk. twice weapon might be better for zergs with a COR in party. Obviously some testing will be needed to determine which would be better, however with my experience and the idea that this weapon might allow for a double attack on the atk. twice proc like fortitude axe it would be possible to reach TP after 1 round. 2 rounds being the more probable. Any ideas on this?
looooooooooooooooool
Try everything where you're engaged fulltime on the mob. Everything. That OAT weapon is your new best friend if it procs like Joyeuse. The only non-relic that even comes close is a goddamn Rune Chopper when you've got Haste, Marchx2, and Haste Samba. The increased WS frequency with not much base damage lost (<3 WSC) is huge.
I was thinking the Occ att twice weapon wud def be nice with the Augmented Wep for Blu ( Erklings Blade)..
I wouldn't go for Beastslayer, if I knew these new Magian weapons are better.
I wouldn't go for Beastslayer, if I knew these new Magian weapons are better.
yea i'm still trying to balance it out. it all depends on what the proc rate is on the OAT. and if it's sufficient then it might be a better idea to throw on a DA build with the new items out. WAR could easily hit DA cap now even w/out a COR rolling an 11 on fighter's roll.
anyone know of any good SMN staffs from this all?
Ragnarok.Ruklin said:
yea i'm still trying to balance it out. it all depends on what the proc rate is on the OAT. and if it's sufficient then it might be a better idea to throw on a DA build with the new items out. WAR could easily hit DA cap now even w/out a COR rolling an 11 on fighter's roll.
2) There's no known DA cap
Are you really sure that a hagun with 14 less base dmg will out WS an 89 dmg GK by 10%? that just sounds horribly wrong given the massive difference in base dmg....
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Ragnarok.Ruklin said:
yea i'm still trying to balance it out. it all depends on what the proc rate is on the OAT. and if it's sufficient then it might be a better idea to throw on a DA build with the new items out. WAR could easily hit DA cap now even w/out a COR rolling an 11 on fighter's roll.
hmmm well then it looks like some testing should definitely be done. lol
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Are you really sure that a hagun with 14 less base dmg will out WS an 89 dmg GK by 10%? that just sounds horribly wrong given the massive difference in base dmg....
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and where did you find these numbers exactly, and how did you test these out? do you have both?
Ifrit.Eikechi said:
and where did you find these numbers exactly, and how did you test these out? do you have both?
lrn2maths
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Tachi:_Gekko
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/FTP
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/WSC
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Calculating_Weapon_Skill_Damage
Have fun.
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Asura.Korpg said:
anyone know of any good SMN staffs from this all?
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Ifrit.Eikechi said:
and where did you find these numbers exactly, and how did you test these out? do you have both?
@ Night:
Not much base dmg lost between OAT GAxe and Perdu? Really?
(Honest Q, I'm not good w/ the maths)
Not much base dmg lost between OAT GAxe and Perdu? Really?
(Honest Q, I'm not good w/ the maths)
did you account for Rana? it doesn't sound like it, what about YK? (btw i use rana....cuz it can do a lot of dmg, seriously)
Asura.Korpg said:
Asura.Korpg said:
anyone know of any good SMN staffs from this all?
Fenrir.Mtmoogle said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Ifrit.Eikechi said:
and where did you find these numbers exactly, and how did you test these out? do you have both?
sup?
Bismarck.Altar said:
@ Night:
Not much base dmg lost between OAT GAxe and Perdu? Really?
(Honest Q, I'm not good w/ the maths)
Not much base dmg lost between OAT GAxe and Perdu? Really?
(Honest Q, I'm not good w/ the maths)
Ifrit.Eikechi said:
did you account for Rana? it doesn't sound like it, what about YK? (btw i use rana....cuz it can do a lot of dmg, seriously)
Asura.Korpg said:
anyone know of any good SMN staffs from this all?
Asura.Korpg said:
Asura.Korpg said:
anyone know of any good SMN staffs from this all?
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_the_Magians
Not quite a full list, if you want the full list go to the Moogle
That page has *** all for staves since whoever put that spreadsheet up marked it private =\
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
If you're using Rana regularly, you should be using polearm instead and thus it's irrelevant.
really? wth does that mean? i've seen my Ranas do a lot more than my Gekkos at times
Penta >>> Rana
5 hit build >>> 6 hit build
Therefore if Rana's you're best GKT WS for the situation you should be using polearm.
5 hit build >>> 6 hit build
Therefore if Rana's you're best GKT WS for the situation you should be using polearm.
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
That page has *** all for staves since whoever put that spreadsheet up marked it private =\
Ah well, best go to the Moogle instead Korpg
idk, correct me if i'm wrong man, but a 3 hit WS, with 297 skill, and 6 hit build sounds better than a 5 hit WS 5 hit build with 240 skill (given there is no piercing mod/slashing mod/penalties here to account for)
but we're getting off topic, sorry i'll stop now, i just think the mass dmg on the 89 dmg GK is worth the trials
but we're getting off topic, sorry i'll stop now, i just think the mass dmg on the 89 dmg GK is worth the trials
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Penta >>> Rana
5 hit build >>> 6 hit build
Therefore if Rana's you're best GKT WS for the situation you should be using polearm.
5 hit build >>> 6 hit build
Therefore if Rana's you're best GKT WS for the situation you should be using polearm.
^
agreed
Ifrit.Eikechi said:
idk, correct me if i'm wrong man, but a 3 hit WS, with 297 skill, and 6 hit build sounds better than a 5 hit WS 5 hit build with 240 skill (given there is no piercing mod/slashing mod/penalties here to account for)
That said, the multihit GKT may change things... Rana might actually be useful now. Might.
So I'm here the 6 stat rings are from VNMs... any truth to that?
i use a much higher att food than pizza normally, but okie dokie...and on higher mobs my rana can do more than YGK, but ok
Ramuh.Dasva said:
So I'm here the 6 stat rings are from VNMs... any truth to that?
thats what i've been hearing
Ramuh.Dasva said:
So I'm here the 6 stat rings are from VNMs... any truth to that?
Ifrit.Eikechi said:
Are you really sure that a hagun with 14 less base dmg will out WS an 89 dmg GK by 10%? that just sounds horribly wrong given the massive difference in base dmg....
I did this calc myself and got similar results, as did mdkuser over on Blue Gartr: http://www.bluegartrls.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3609393&postcount=155.
Of course, it DOES sound horribly wrong, and that's why I was so surprised by it! But the numbers don't lie. TP Bonus is just a lot more effective than most people realize. Yes, it can outweight 14 difference in base damage (14 freaking difference!), assuming you have a half-decent WS gear set for the TP bonus to work on. I know, that's sick, but evidently it's true. Don't believe it, use the wiki links you were given and run the numbers yourself.
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