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By Izanami 2022-11-27 23:04:39
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Link to gui_wsdist GitHub repository: https://github.com/IzaKastra/wsdist

I've updated the GUI to include nuking sets (ignoring Magic Evasion for now). Basic TP sets are next.

You should be able to simply download the gui_wsdist.exe and item_list.txt files and the icons32/ and icons64/ directories to run the code successfully.
Inputs Tab:
  • Added a drop-down menu for selecting Ninjutsu and Black Magic spells to test. This list currently includes elemental Black Magic I-VI, -ja, and Ninjutsu nukes. The black magic spells use the BG Wiki table for [M,V] in various dINT ranges (see get_dint_m_v.py) while the ninjutsu nukes use the [M,V] values for various dINT ranges determined from my previous testing. The BG Wiki page for ninjutsu has still not been updated to reflect my ninjutsu testing results, though.

  • Under the drop-down menu for spells, I've added checkboxes for bursting and futae. Futae only works for Ninjutsu nukes.

  • Added a "Quick-look Magic" button to test magic damage with the displayed set. While Magic Accuracy and Magic Accuracy Skill have always been tracked, I do not use them in the code yet.

  • I've added a "Magic Evasion" stat to the Enemy Input section, but it does not do anything right now. I need to first figure out exactly how magic accuracy affects resist rates.



Select Gear Tab:
  • Added a button to select all gear in ALL slots that your main job can equip. Keep in mind that nuking items are included now, so finding weapon skill sets will take a long time if you do not de-select the items that wouldn't affect weapon skill damage. I think I've located the main bottleneck for runtime. If I successfully fix it, then the total runtime could be reduced by as much as ~40%. I've already fixed the issue and updated the files on GitHub. The code is about 40~50% faster now. I'll post about it later.



Outputs Tab:
  • Added the button "Run Magic" for finding the set that provide the highest magic damage. Since magic damage is always perfectly consistent, the "Run Magic" button will never produce a plot; it will stop running after finding and printing the best set.

  • I've removed the white box from the outputs tab since the GUI brings up a terminal anyway. I'd like to fill this empty space with the gearset stats later (attacks, accuracies, hit rates, STR, triple attack, etc)



I'll add BLM and SCH to the list of main jobs when I can next log on (January?) to confirm the stats for mastered BLM and SCH. These stats will need to be added to the set_stats.py file.

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By Ramuh.Austar 2022-11-27 23:08:42
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Izanami said: »
I've added a "Magic Evasion" stat to the Enemy Input section, but it does not do anything right now. I need to first figure out exactly how magic accuracy affects resist rates.
do you have a discord? can help you set it up for this
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By Izanami 2022-12-04 18:38:26
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I've made some decently large changes to the GUI. Let me know if you run into any new issues.

  • I've reduced the code's runtime significantly (~50% reduction based on cProfile) when determining weapon skill sets by using the equation-form of attacks per weapon (mainhand/offhand) per weapon skill, accounting for attack order, the 8-hit limit, and MA probabilities (see get_ma_rate3() in get_ma_rate.py). I was previously running 50000 simulations (for every set tested) and taking an average to determine this.

  • Because runtime has improved significantly, I've added just about every item in the gear.py file to the lists by default. You can remove these items in the gear.py file, unless you're using the executable version of the code. Alternatively, you can use the checkboxes in the "Select Gear" tab to deselect items you don't wish to test. The code will only test/select items that your selected main job can use anyway. I tried to add the correct jobs (except SMN) to all gear, but I may have missed a few.

  • Magic Accuracy and Magic Evasion now affect spell damage. Magic hit rate is calculated as explained on BG Wiki. I'm using the contribution from dINT from Lute's 2016 blog (Japanese), which appears to give -30 to +30 magic accuracy depending on dINT. I may be misinterpreting these blog results, but I'll look into it more later. I do not include resistance ranks for now. If you keep Magic Evasion at <=0, then the code treats hit rate as 100%, otherwise the code will calculate hit rate based on the Magic Evasion you provided and then cap hit rate at 95%.

  • Thanks to help from Sylph.Brahmsz, we now know exactly how Smite (and Last Resort) is included in attack calculations. I've added Smite when simulating jobs (and subjobs) with a Smite trait and using a 2-handed weapon. We can now calculate all DRK sets with all buff states using the code. Naturally, low-buff Scythe likes Ratri+1 while Great Sword likes NyameR25B with Empy+3 hands.

  • I've added gear stats to the outputs tab to fill in some of the empty space. Clicking the "Calculate Stats" button in the "Inputs" tab will now show some basic stats for the selected gear and buffs.

  • Since there is a lot of gear to scroll through, the gear lists now only show items that your main job can equip. This was a surprisingly annoying change to make. I believe I've already fixed all of the edge cases that caused crashes relating to my poor coding practices, but let me know if you run into issues.



I've added placeholders for DRG, SAM, RDM, BLM, SCH, /SAM, /NIN, /SCH, /RDM, /DRG, and /DRK using the skill levels, traits, and job points listed on BG Wiki. I do not know their STR, DEX, VIT, AGI, INT, MND, or CHR, so I've simply copy/pasted the ML20 NIN values until I can confirm their base stats when I resubscribe in January, unless somebody can provide them to me. Specifically, I'm looking for base stats without subjobs (with your ML level so I can adjust to ML20 for the code) and the bonus stats for Lv53 subjobs separately. Sets determined for these jobs right now should be roughly correct since the stats should only be off by a little.

I spent a little extra time adding RDM and DRG gear. NIN, DRK, RDM, DRG, and BLM(magic) are ready to go, but only NIN and DRK use the correct base stats right now. I'll work on adding WHM, SAM, and WAR gear next. I pretty much only play NIN, WHM, and DRK, so let me know if there is some gear that I've forgotten.

The available weapon skills and spells are:


Edit: At some point I may need to move this project out of the Ninja-specific forum.
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By Asura.Cluste 2022-12-06 10:16:09
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Great job, love playing around with this. Can't wait to test the other jobs.
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By Izanami 2022-12-10 19:30:18
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I've added some extra stuff to the code:

The code currently supports (ML20) NIN, DRK, BLM, SCH, DRG*, SAM*, WAR*, WHM*, RDM*, COR*, BRD*, /53RDM, /53SAM, /53DRK, /53WAR, /53DRG*, and /53NIN*. Jobs with stars next to them still need base stats corrected and are using base stats from one of the known jobs. Each of these jobs should have most of their gear added. Keep in mind that I really only play NIN >> WHM > DRK, so there's a nonzero chance I didn't include some pieces for some jobs.

A few specifics about new jobs:
  • Warrior main and subjob includes Fencer traits which can be boosted by Fencer+ gear.

  • Scholar includes Helix II spells and an Ebullience check box. I assume as SCH you always have the correct weather up, but Hachirin no Obi is not selectable as an item for now.

  • Corsair can not cast spells, but I've included Quick Draw in the spell list for Corsair. Use the "Run Magic" and "Quicklook Magic" buttons to test Quick Draw. Additionally, my QD magic accuracy is probably incorrect. I recommend keeping enemy magic evasion at 0 if testing quick draw.

    ??? QD_Macc = Gear_Magic_Accuracy + Magic_Accuracy_Skill(main-hand weapon only) + AGI/2 + 60(Death Penalty) ???



Other specific changes I can think of:
  • I've added both Ranged and Magical weapon skills. I've also updated the main post to show NIN Blade: Ei and Aeolian Edge sets based on what I found using my code.

  • The spell list now only shows spells that your main job can use. For example: DRK only shows spells up to tier3 and COR only shows Quick Draw.

  • The list of weapon skills is now very large (see spoiler below). Thus I've added a filter to the weapon skill list so that it only shows weapon skills that are usable by your selected weapons (main and ranged). There is no job restriction yet.

    For example: The code starts as NIN with a katana mainhand, so the default list is katana weapon skills only. If you wanted to test Empyreal Arrow, then you need to equip a bow. If you wanted to test Randgrith, then you'll need to equip a club (and optionally change you main job to WHM to get meaningful results).



Fixed issues:
Fixed an issue where Skill+ from gear (non main+sub slots) was counted twice for accuracy and attack. For the most part this only affected Hattori Earring (katana skill), Heathen's Burgeonet (Scythe Skill), and Heathen's Gauntlets (GreatSword Skill).

Finally:
The code is back to being a mess. I'd like to focus on cleaning it up so it's easier to read/modify. I'll do this slowly while I add other jobs.
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By Asura.Cluste 2022-12-11 03:31:06
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Great stuff!

As for the Bonus BRD/NIN SB Set, why hold the TP to 1500-1800? Is it really worth DPS wise to save to close ~3k on Jobs that can use 1k TP Bonus Weapons + 250 Moon like Cor/Rdm/Brd?
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By Izanami 2022-12-11 09:37:44
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Asura.Cluste said: »
Great stuff!

As for the Bonus BRD/NIN SB Set, why hold the TP to 1500-1800? Is it really worth DPS wise to save to close ~3k on Jobs that can use 1k TP Bonus Weapons + 250 Moon like Cor/Rdm/Brd?

I don't think so. If you're doing OdysseyC, then you'll want to 1-shot things or they might 1-shot you (or dispel everyone). Maybe in that situation you might want to hold TP a bit longer on BRD, which doesn't get as much attack. That was at least my reasoning for picking 1500-1800 on that set.

As a side note:
I've just added Fenrir+Carbuncle+Ifrit+Leviathan+Titan+Garuda rings and the Hauksbok Bullet. I've also included the missing Magic Attack +61 on COR relic body.

I'll have to skim the other new equipment I added to see what other stats that might've been skipped. I'm most likely to miss magic attack based on how my gear-conversion code converts BG Wiki format to my code's gear format. If you're testing sets for a job you play often and notice a weird item in a "best" set, then it might be a good idea to check the gear.py file for a typo.
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By Izanami 2022-12-12 12:05:57
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I've added R30 Odyssey gear to the code. The front page of this post has been updated to reflect changes in the Ninja sets from R30 Odyssey gear against the Lv135 Apex Bat enemy (1338 Def, 1224 Eva, 289 VIT). This was mostly Coiste Bodhar R30 replacing Seething Bomblet +1 R15 and Empyrean +3 legs losing to Mpaca/Nyame by a small amount.

R25 Odyssey gear is still in the gear.py file in preparation for a drop-down menu that will allow the user to select which Odyssey rank to consider. I plan to only include ranks 15,20,25,30. I'll make another post about this when it's completed, probably including DNC as a new job too.

In addition to R30 Odyssey gear, the code has been updated and re-uploaded with the following new features:

  • Thief, including Sneak Attack and Trick Attack, has been added to the code. SA/TA are checkboxes similar to Futae, Magic Burst, and Ebullience. In order to make room for these check boxes, I setup the code to hide Futae if not NIN main, hide Ebullience if not SCH, and hide Magic Burst if not in ["NIN", "DRK", "RDM", "BLM", "WHM", "GEO", "SCH"]. I'll add DNC flourishes in a similar way.

    • Both sneak attack and trick attack force 100% hit rate for the first main+sub hits of the weapon skill being used.
    • The first main-hand hit will be a critical hit.
    • The first main-hand hit gains bonus damage (added to its base damage) equal to 100% of the player's DEX/AGI for SA/TA. These bonuses are added before the PDIF multiplier, but after FTP is applied. Gear with "Sneak Attack +" or "Trick Attack +" increases this 100% by the bonus listed: SA+30 uses +130% DEX.
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      phys = int(  ((wpn_dmg + fstr_wpn + wsc)*ftp + sneak_attack_bonus + trick_attack_bonus) * pdif


  • Monk, including Impetus and Footwork, has been added to the code. Impetus/Footwork were added in a similar way to SA/TA.

    For Impetus I assume 90% max potency (45% crit rate, +90 attack, and +45% crit damage if using Bhikku body too).

    I'm not sure how much I trust the MNK Footwork part of the code. Both Dragon Kick and Tornado Kick put out crazy damage when attack capped and with footwork between 1500-1800 TP (~80k average with ~140k peaks; see the bonus set below). Maybe this is normal, but I don't play MNK enough to know. I wasn't able to find an issue with the MNK/Footwork logic in my code, so I'm assuming this is normal. If you frequently play MNK and this doesn't sound correct, please let me know so I can figure out where I went wrong.



Fixed Issues:
  • Empyreal Arrow now properly gains its +100% attack modifier.

  • The additional hits for ranged weapon skills now use WSD=0 when calculating the average damage dealt.




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By Ramuh.Austar 2022-12-12 13:40:09
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I can check your footwork stuff later if you'd like
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By Sockfoot 2022-12-12 14:45:57
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New to python, so this might be a dumb question. I am attempting to add the Ikenga axe:
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Ikenga_Axe = {"Name": "Ikenga's axe", "Name2": "IkengaAxe_R30", "Skill Type": "Axe", "Type":"Weapon", "DMG": 192+15, "Delay": 288, "STR":15, "DEX":15, "Attack":30+45, "Accuracy": 40+15, "Magic Accuracy":40+15, "TP Bonus": 500, "Weaponskill Damage":5, "Crit Rate":10, "Axe Skill": 255, "Magic Accuracy Skill": 242, "Jobs":["war"]}


Put that in gear.py, item is listed already in item_list.txt (if that matters). Installed libraries and running 'py gui_wsdist.py' successfully, but the item isn't showing up. Am I missing something silly?

edit: Working now. I think it just needed to be added to the list of mains/subs = [ ... ]
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By Ramuh.Austar 2022-12-12 14:49:53
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anything in quotations would likely need to be case sensitive, change the job to "WAR" and try
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By Izanami 2022-12-12 20:01:15
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I've had a few messages giving job stats. As of now, the code supports main jobs WAR, MNK, WHM, BLM, RDM, THF, DRK, BRD, SAM, NIN, DRG, COR, and SCH with the correct base stats for ML20 hume. /53 subjob stats still need some work.

I went back through the gear to add the new R25 stats to everything in preparation for supporting multiple Odyssey ranks, and it turns out I'm really bad at adding augments to gear. I've double checked everything and corrected the following errors:

  • Nyame Helm R30B Double Attack +1 corrected to Double Attack +5

  • Fixed Bunzi Rod R30 Magic Attack augment +26 to +30

  • Bunzi Sabots R30 Magic Accuracy augment +10 to +15

  • Bunzi Gloves R30 Magic Burst II augment +7 to +6

  • Mpaca Gloves R30 was just a copy paste of R25

  • Ikenga Hat R25 was using R30 stats and R30 was using R25 stats

  • Ikenga Boots R25 was using R30 stats and R30 was using R25 stats

  • Sakpata Helm R30 Double Attack Damage +13 corrected to +15



Since I was already correcting my previous mistakes and adding the correct main job stats for all of our jobs, I've made the following additions to the code:

  • All R30 Odyssey weapons have been added.

  • Nyame R30 Path A has been added. However, using the "Select All" buttons will not select Nyame Path A. You will have to manually click their checkboxes if you want to test Nyame Path A. This was intentional.

  • (I think) I saw some mention of Minstrel Mistral Axe in one of these December update threads. I've therefore added Minstrel Mistral Axe as a weapon skill option.

  • I've also added Raging Rush, Wheeling Thrust, Sonic Thrust, and Ground Strike. However, Nandaka's "Ignores Defense" effect is not added yet. If you want to test Nandaka, throw on a Dia1 for Nandaka sets to simulate defense-10%



Finally, as far as I can tell, the code properly handles MNK. Dragon/Tornado Kick are just that strong when attack capped and with Footwork...



Sockfoot said: »
edit: Working now. I think it just needed to be added to the list of mains/subs = [ ... ]
You are correct. If you type out the item stats in the correct Python format, then all you need to do is put it in one of the slot lists for the code to make it available in that slot. If you mess up the stat formatting, then the code should yell at you, hopefully mentioning what you messed up.
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By Asura.Shaedhen 2022-12-14 09:40:29
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Thank you for all these additions !

I think there's a little issue in the latest GUI. When you change the selected job, the list of available weapon skills doesn't update and we only get access to katana ones.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2022-12-14 09:53:01
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change your weapon in the bottom right on the default page that should fix it
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By Asura.Shaedhen 2022-12-14 10:04:16
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It is indeed working when doing that, thanks. Andmy bad then, can disregard my previous message
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By Izanami 2022-12-14 11:39:43
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Asura.Shaedhen said: »
Thank you for all these additions !
I think there's a little issue in the latest GUI. When you change the selected job, the list of available weapon skills doesn't update and we only get access to katana ones.

Ramuh.Austar said: »
change your weapon in the bottom right on the default page that should fix it

This is correct. I just noticed this issue myself earlier today while testing RNG savage+jishnu sets.

Right now the code only updates the WS list if you manually change either the main or ranged weapon. This means the WS list does not update if the automated finder "Run WS" equips the weapon for you. For example: RNG Savage Blade does find TP Bonus Bow as best, but the WS list doesn't update to show Archery WSs until you manually re-equip the bow.

I just need to copy/paste that "update ws list" code to run when the user changes jobs and copies the best set and this should be fixed.

In other news:
My local copy of the code now supports all jobs except SMN (and BLU traits because I don't understand those yet). I'll push an update after I've finished testing things a bit more and add R15/20/25/30 Odyssey gear together. Hopefully within a day or so.

Edit: I also just noticed that ranged weapon skills are not getting their REMA/Ambu WS damage bonuses (+50% for Trueflight with Gastra R15 for example) because I'm passing the main-hand weapon name on line 236 of wsdist.py. This will be fixed in the next update too, but that update will take a bit so I'll mention it here.
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By Sockfoot 2022-12-14 13:55:40
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Just a note, and this is easily fixed by not using the 'Select All', but when finding the best set the sim will use weapons that can't actually perform the WS. Not sure how easy that would be to fix, or if it is worth the effort since you can manually select.
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By Izanami 2022-12-14 14:32:33
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Sockfoot said: »
Just a note, and this is easily fixed by not using the 'Select All', but when finding the best set the sim will use weapons that can't actually perform the WS. Not sure how easy that would be to fix, or if it is worth the effort since you can manually select.

This is technically an easy fix. In fact, the other button "Select <ALL> Main Job" already does this. I added it because I was also tired of unselecting weapons that couldn't use the weapon skill.

When I check sets, I click the "Select <ALL> Main Job" button, which selects everything in all slots that your main job can use, but does not select main-hand weapons that can't use the selected weapon skill (technically it unchecks them if they're already selected). I then manually UNSELECT the stuff I don't care about (like Karieyh Ring +1, Epaminondas's Ring, TP Bonus off-hands, etc).

I'll copy/paste this extra functionality to the other "Select All" button for the Main, Ranged, and Ammo slots now so it's added when I push the next update.
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By Izanami 2022-12-15 16:21:13
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The most recent version of the code has been uploaded. Again, I don't play most of these jobs, so there could easily be missing gear or mistakes in how I interpret their job abilities. I did not check every job, ws, spell, etc, so let me know if you find any issues.

  • R15, R20, R25, and R30 Odyssey armor are all included in the gear lists (I may add lower-ranked weapons later). You may now use the simple drop-down menu to choose which rank the "Select All" buttons will select. You can also use the "Quicklook" buttons to compare different ranking Odyssey pieces. Nyame Path A is ignored, but still included in case you wanted to select it manually.

  • DNC has been added (with incorrect base stats). Apparently, [Climactic, Striking, Ternary] can't be used together. Those three flourishes are part of a drop-down menu so you can only select one at at time.

    • Building Flourish provides +25% Attack (applied with Chaos Roll), Accuracy +40, Crit Rate +10%, and Weapon Skill damage +20% (from Job Points)
    • Climactic Flourish is treated like Sneak/Trick Attack: The first main-hand hit will be a critical hit and the base damage of that hit gains a +50% CHR bonus (+70% after JP bonuses). The Empyrean +3 head increases Crit Damage by 31% for this one hit if equipped.
    • Striking Flourish guarantees a double attack from your main-hand hit (by setting QA=TA=0, DA=1). The main-hand hit also gains +100% CHR bonus similar to SA/TA. Both the main-hand hit and the guaranteed double attack hit gain crit rate +70% when wearing the Empyrean +3 body.
    • Ternary Flourish guarantees a triple attack from your main-hand hit (by setting QA=0, TA=1). The main-hand hit also gains +100% CHR bonus similar to SA/TA. There is nothing else fancy going on with Ternary Flourish as far as I can tell.

  • BST has been added (with incorrect base stats)

  • GEO has been added (with incorrect base stats)

  • RNG has been added (with incorrect base stats) without Hover Shot.

  • RUN has been added (with incorrect base stats)

  • PLD has been added (with incorrect base stats).

  • PUP has been added for master WS sets (with incorrect base stats). I'm interested in adding Automaton weapon skills to the "Spells" list, but this is not going to happen for many months.

  • I've added BLU (without any traits), but I need to read about setting BLU traits and bonus stats based on spells set.



At this point, the code is pretty much an "All Jobs" damage simulator for spells and weapon skills, only missing SMN (and BLU traits). I'm almost certain that there are many small issues throughout the code that need to be fixed. Now that I'm finished adding jobs, I'll slowly go through and correct these issues as I clean up the code itself.

Other changes:
  • If you've been updating the code as I've added more jobs, you've probably noticed that it's started taking a significant amount of time to use the "Select <ALL> Main Job" button, change jobs, and even just open the GUI. After adding the above jobs with their gear, the delay ended up being 3~10s, which is pretty bad, and especially annoying when testing things. I've modified how the code reads/creates equipment lists so that swapping jobs and selecting equipment is back to being nearly instant (as it should be). In general, the GUI is now much more responsive than before.

    This was technically an easy fix, but there was a lot of room to mess something up relating to how the GUI interacts with itself. Let me know if you run into any weird new issues. The only "negative" thing I've seen from this change is that the gear lists can now be scrolled way beyond the displayed gear list.

  • I've fixed an error in Monk's base stats which gave it TA+8% (a remnant from copy/pasting THF stats to start MNK).

  • The "Select all" button still selects everything in the displayed list. However, the main code itself now rejects simulations where the main-hand weapon does not match the selected melee weapon skill. Similarly for ranged weapon and ranged weapon skills. Hopefully I didn't overcorrect it to reject valid sets that you'd want to check.

  • Ranged WSs now get their REMA/Ambuscade weapon damage bonuses.

  • The True Shot stat now directly increases physical ranged damage dealt. For example: True Shot +5 = +5% physical ranged damage.


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By Asura.Itsasaga 2022-12-15 16:24:57
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Hello Izanami,

I know I've read from you before you are quite busy. I was just wondering if there is a plan to integrate a TP set calculator at this point (or if I just missed the function in the release).

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By Izanami 2022-12-15 17:03:46
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Asura.Itsasaga said: »
Hello Izanami,

I know I've read from you before you are quite busy. I was just wondering if there is a plan to integrate a TP set calculator at this point (or if I just missed the function in the release).

Regards,

I have a version that works for NIN, but I was more interested in adding all of the other jobs to the GUI before porting the existing TP set code to the GUI. I'll be too busy to work on it until January sometime since I have a work trip starting tomorrow and then holiday right after. This is the main reason I pushed to quickly release "all jobs" before tonight.

The NIN TP code only compares how long each set takes to get to X TP (in real-world seconds). It is not a DPS simulator and can't be easily combined with the WS simulator. The first version of the "all jobs" TP simulator will be the same. I will work on combining time-to-WS and white-damage-dealt afterwards.

I'll need to figure out how I want to throw in things like Zanshin (with Hasso) and Kick Attacks. The NIN version handles Daken well, so I imagine Kick Attack will be a copy/paste and the only problem will be Zanshin. Again, I won't work on this until January.

Edit:
I've also just fixed where True Shot was being applied in the actual simulations. This did not affect finding the "best" set, but did adjust the damage seen in distribution plots.

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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2022-12-21 10:24:19
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Is there a set for Empyreal Arrow, utilizing both TP Bonus Katanas? Thinking about an Arebati prep fight when not in range to use Tauret.
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By SimonSes 2022-12-21 10:58:55
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
Is there a set for Empyreal Arrow, utilizing both TP Bonus Katanas? Thinking about an Arebati prep fight when not in range to use Tauret.

I mean Ullr/arrow is pretty obvious. Full Nyame is pretty obvious too (empy feet +3 could be better if you can cap attack, which I guess might not be possible even with dnc+RDM and 2.0 native attack boost). Cape is obvious too. Neck is almost obvious, fotia could be good, but +2 neck provides accuracy and damage, so I would go with +2. Belt probably Fortia. So whats left rings and earrings? Ring, Epam/Regal most likely. Earrings.. are pretty much whatever I would guess. Ishvara/Telos or something. That's just going with the first guess based by logic, but I think it should be pretty close to bis or bis.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2022-12-21 11:13:21
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That's just going with the first guess based by logic, but I think it should be pretty close to bis or bis.

I mean well yeah, I can throw together a set based on what I think. I'm posting to ask the writer since he uses software to determine max potential. I am asking for just that.

And no I don't know what's "pretty obvious". wtf? I'm asking for a reason, what's obvious to you isn't obvious to everyone else.
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By SimonSes 2022-12-21 11:27:26
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SimonSes said: »
That's just going with the first guess based by logic, but I think it should be pretty close to bis or bis.

I mean well yeah, I can throw together a set based on what I think. I'm posting to ask the writer since he uses software to determine max potential. I am asking for just that.

And no I don't know what's "pretty obvious". wtf? I'm asking for a reason, what's obvious to you isn't obvious to everyone else.

I understand, but NIN options for ranged 1hit WS are so limited if you have Nyame B, that its not really like you have any real choice. Earrings, neck and waist are only slots when it might not be clear what to use, but the problem is without knowing exact buffs and Arebati V25 stats, it might be impossible to calculate bis items for those slots, because you would need to know - is fSTR2 capped or not, do you need more racc or not, are you ratt capped or not etc.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2022-12-21 12:25:00
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B team Arebati, so max Box Step, Corrosive Ooze or Angon depending on active BST pet, Killer Instinct, Dia 3. Probably SMN for Warcry/Crystal Blessing (I guess this is only necessary if you used ranged accuracy weapon)
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By Nariont 2022-12-21 12:46:59
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I know you're you're looking for charted BiS but the sets for the THF ones are still likely as good as itll get by and large, replace telos if you have a aug'd +2 jse earring and jse necks

https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/36654/for-the-shinies-a-guide-for-thief/249/#3603101
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2022-12-21 13:06:33
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Thanks. I couldn't remember where that discussing was.
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By SimonSes 2022-12-21 13:23:45
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
B team Arebati, so max Box Step, Corrosive Ooze or Angon depending on active BST pet, Killer Instinct, Dia 3. Probably SMN for Warcry/Crystal Blessing (I guess this is only necessary if you used ranged accuracy weapon)

I wonder if Ooze can land on Arebati. def down is wind in theory and Arebati should be close to immune to that (v25 possibly completely immune to wind?). On the other hand ooze seems to always lands. Unless Ooze is water based def down? Would be good to know all that.
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By Nariont 2022-12-21 13:26:30
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Ooze from testing on i think BST forums can land on anything iirc
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