Random Politics & Religion #39: Guac Is Extra

Reality is a social construct. If enough people say something, it becomes true.

Yes, there are actual people that were privy to the conversation that have testified that the WH edited out certain portions. That is called evidence.


There is no such thing. Can you show a source? Or is this one of those instances where others have to prove you wrong rather than you owning up to your own claim? I would love to see you show this treaty that states we have an obligation to investigate corruption in the Ukraine.

Update, all republican requests for witnesses to testify have been denied.

So much for due process in this scam.

Literally not. The kooky alt-right conspiracy theories are getting crazier and crazier. I believe what I see with my eyeballs, not some crazy "deep state" claims lol.

How's lil' Birdy doing? Is he living up to your expectations?

I also get a kick out of you guys making up your own reality.

Update: This isn't true.

https://www.congress.gov/treaty-document/106th-congress/16/document-text

I have posted this before.Not portions, phrases. And these people have also testified that those phrases did not fundamentally change anyones understanding pf the call. (From your own Nyt article)

Ive gone over it before, they do not record these calls, they have a group of people take notes like a court stenographer, and then all agree on the result. No one has alleged that a senior official hand edited the transcript. Thats just nonsense.

Weve been over this too, dems are the only group left that believe the media. Everyone else knows they’re intensely pushing a self serving agenda (and spare no expense at lying to do so).

Proving my point. A "real" investigation is about information gathering. What the Democrats are doing is narrative building. They need this phase to be as controlled as possible, because as soon as the impeachment process hits the point where equal representation is guaranteed, their case is going to fall apart under cross-examination.

Yep. Its all about “we gotta get Blumpf.” The republic be damned.

We are in the last stages of this great democracy. Its just about time to make Ceasar emperor so it can be saved.

lol, what is the difference between a portion and a phrase? You just stated a little while ago that it wasn't edited. Now you are saying it was edited, but only a phrase...not a portion. This is too funny.


Riiiight, so the ones editing out the portion...or the phrase...are stating that it wasn't relative, and that should be believed? If it wasn't relative, why edit a little phrase out?

Except it doesn't "prove your point" because 1. its not true and 2. The GOP submitted a garbage witness list that didn't meet the requirements issued to them. Most of those witness will be and should be denied.
Additionally, cross examination has literally occurred in every testimony so far. The Dems have released all the transcripts proving it. The narrative that you guys built about partisan hearings was never alive.

Yep, nausi just admitted its not an official record. He is finally catching up.

A garbage witness list according to who? Oh yeah, the Democrat deciding what can and can't be heard. That's the definition of a partisan hearing, genius.

According to the majority that gets to set the rules. But guess what? The GOP is still going to be allowed to participate, cross examine every witness. Due process has been followed from Day 1. We have been over this and nothing has changed.

We just won't be hearing from a Fusion GPS employee that has literally nothing to do with the Trump administration. It doesn't make the process unfair.

Another update: There is still no source for this.

Update apparently no one gives a ***so *** him !

Until the GOP can call any witness they want, the process is partisan. That's a concept that anyone should be able to grasp.

For example, let's say that you're on trial for a murder that you didn't commit. The only witnesses allowed to testify are ones that the prosecution has chosen. They all hate you personally and would do anything to see you behind bars, and most only have second or third-hand information to share. Also, the prosecutor is the only one allowed to release information to the media about what has gone on in the hearings.

You may end up skating anyway from lack of evidence, but the entire thing has been rigged to make you look as bad as possible. Your innocence takes a backseat to the fact that the court of public opinion has rendered judgment and your reputation is screwed.

That's basically what's going on right now in these impeachment hearings. The damage being dealt by the partisan nature of these hearings is not a byproduct, it's the sole purpose. We haven't hit the trial yet, but as this is a blatantly political process, the trial is irrelevant.

Try and stop me from following the impeachment hearings.

I got a big legal pad and I'm literally transcribing it as it happens.

Once again your trying to put the GOP in the position as a defendant and the Dems in the position as the prosecution, and it still isn't the case. The GOP is part of the prosecution, whether they are willing to be or not. Every single witness thus far has been "cross examined" by the GOP, for hours and hours. The case has not even come close to falling apart.

The garbage GOP witness list had nothing to do with the case. Hunter Biden, Nellie Ohr, a Burisma board member, none of those people are relevant to the Trump effort to set up an investigation into his political opponent. There is nothing they could offer that would affect the existence of the quid pro quo. Which is why they won't be participating. We are not investigating the 2016 election, nor are we investigating the Bidens.

So uh, how is the beastman medal market going over there?

They removed the ??? from gardens.

Well, that means they are addressing the root cause of the problem. But I still don't think they will discipline any exploiters.

If the gop witnesses are garbage, then dems should want to put them on so they can tear them down so easily. But they dont, not because they’re “garbage” but because they totally blow away the case for impeachment.

Lol, no they don't. Nellie Ohr has nothing to contribute.

There aren’t whole sections left out, the ukraine guy never alleged there were, it amounts to “i think he mentioned X at this part” which is not in the official record.

Ill explain yet again. Pay attention this time.

The calls aren’t recorded (for obvious reasons), if you’ve ever been in a courtroom for jury duty or whatever, there are people (plural) whose job it is to listen and take notes, to compose a record of it. They don’t take verbatim notes, no one can type or write THAT fast. They short hand what happens and compose a collective transcript afterwards. Its certainly possible its not a 100% verbatim recollection of the event, i mean it’s not reasonable to think it could be when there is no recording of it.

That however doesn’t mean theres any evidence a phrase or word was edited out. Some guy claiming it was doesn’t make it so. Thats not evidence, its just his recollection.