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By Rainemard 2018-09-10 04:06:54
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I'm glad, at least one thing doesn't suck this update ;-; PJSalt
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2018-09-10 04:13:12
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Do we know what Physical Damage Limit does?

The DEX looks nice, but otherwise it would likely be worse than a gorget.
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By Asura.Sechs 2018-09-10 04:14:35
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Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
Do we know what Physical Damage Limit does?

The DEX looks nice, but otherwise it would likely be worse than a gorget.
For Rudra?
Considering how more often than not, at least on the spreadsheet, stuff like Caro Necklace comes slightly above the Gorget, I wouldn't be surprised to see even the NQ neck above Gorget 100% of the time.
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By Rainemard 2018-09-10 04:21:18
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For Rudra, the neck is going to be MILES better than gorget. Not sure about PK though, think fotia might be ahead since multi-hit 1.75fTP per hit.
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By Leviathan.Katriina 2018-09-10 04:22:06
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Physical Damage Limit could operate as [completely ignores target defense].
Or raise fSTR, pDIF cap.

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I wouldn't be surprised to see even the NQ neck above Gorget 100% of the time.

And if PDL procs on WS ... would make it so broken.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2018-09-10 04:26:47
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What do you think PDL does? lol
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By Leviathan.Katriina 2018-09-10 04:32:39
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If it did ignore target defense on WS.

Knowing SE,I was assuming Coruscanti mechanics.
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By Leviathan.Katriina 2018-09-10 04:46:22
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Oh Neck is also BiS for Waltz ...
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By Rainemard 2018-09-10 04:47:11
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Don't forget the +chr for climactic flourish, it's not much but it makes it even better for clim rudras.
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By Asura.Sechs 2018-09-10 04:47:25
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Makes you wish Waltz Potency didn't cap so early :x
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By Rainemard 2018-09-10 05:03:03
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Might open up other slots for more CHR at least, also BiS violent flourish piece. Might even be good for A.edge if the DEX is real high.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2018-09-10 06:21:38
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Likely 7 STP, 25 DEX/CHR, 10% PDL for a max augment +2 Gorget

That will make it the best Rudra's / Waltz neck, but the 10% Waltz potency is at best only worth a few more CHR in other slots.
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By Asura.Splendid 2018-09-10 09:05:41
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Any news on augs for Terp, Aeneas, Twash? Not at home atm so I can’t check. (Not even sure I can check yet). Also that gorget is looking wonderful for TP Set and Rudras. :3
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By Rainemard 2018-09-10 12:32:52
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I'm torn on Dyna dagger, I feel like I should go with Subtle Blow II since it's the only thing it does better than Aeonic and Mythic, what are you guys thinking about this weapon? I'm still sad it's main hand only. :(
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By Asura.Splendid 2018-09-10 12:42:42
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Rainemard said: »
I'm torn on Dyna dagger, I feel like I should go with Subtle Blow II since it's the only thing it does better than Aeonic and Mythic, what are you guys thinking about this weapon? I'm still sad it's main hand only. :(

Can always sell it before you commit to an aug on something you might not use all that much in the future. It does indeed stink that it’s MH only.
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By Rainemard 2018-09-10 13:02:55
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Eh, doubt I'll get the price that I paid for back on it to be honest. Where't the updated spreadsheet? I want to test some builds out and see if it might have a redeeming feature I'm not seeing by eyeballing it.

Edit: Spreadsheet on front page of this thread only has very outdated gear on it.

Edit 2: Found it, might want to update main page with it as well for good measure. Any ideas on how to implement Follow-up attack on spreadsheet? That has to be a nightmare.
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By Rainemard 2018-09-10 14:28:00
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Seems like Aeneas will always be better for rudra spam and terps will always be better for PK spam vs Setan Kober Path A (50DA/25stp/5DMG). Guess path B is the only real option on it.
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By Asura.Lunafreya 2018-09-10 19:54:12
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Off topic with all the DREAM aug news, but at what point does a Sari beat out a Poly for offhand? Even crap minimal augs or do you want at least STR/DEX + ~5 each or something in that range?

This is with a Skinflayer main hand with augs of DMG15 DEX13 ACC17 ATK9 WSD2. If I were to get a max Sari I'd assume it would still stay offhand with that Skinflayer dmg.
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By Rainemard 2018-09-11 12:20:17
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Has anyone caught any wind of if follow-up attack works like raetic? As in cannot proc on ws, can proc off of double/triple attacks, procs in addition to but not off of double/triple attacks? Haven't seen much information around path B as of yet.
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By Leviathan.Katriina 2018-09-12 02:07:03
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Had some time to put the new upgrades on Daggers:

Disclaimer Regarding Follow Up Attack Setan:
-I assumed that follow up attack will be 50% of MH in TP set and added 50% DA to mele hits that dont proc.
-Please correct this if it was assumed wrong.
-Used Same BiS Set for Twashtar[for all Setan]
-Final Stats are [60% DA, 10%TA, 1%QA]


Dagger DPS
Aeneas/Twashtar 4437.700
Terpsichore/Twashtar 3823.547
Twashtar/Aeneas 3978.729
Setan A/Twashtar 3705.047
Setan B/Twashtar 4111.041
Setan B/Sari 4239.446
Setan C/Twashtar 3433.751
Aeneas/Sari 4261.824
Twashtar/Sari 4063.316
Terpsichore/Sari 3714.799
*Terpsichore/Sari 3740.137


*Terpsichore/Sari is for Rudra spam.

DNC Sheet
Again, I cant stress enough on the way I assumed Setan Follow up Attack.[this can alter hierarchy significantly]

P.S No Clim, No Striking, No Etoile Gorget +2 [PDL Proc] and No Saber were used.
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By Rainemard 2018-09-12 04:10:57
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Do we know what PDL does yet?
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By Leviathan.Katriina 2018-09-12 04:43:15
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I only have Rank 2 on Neck atm, which is 1%
I will need a huge sample to check it out...
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By Asura.Sechs 2018-09-12 04:47:10
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Rainemard said: »
Do we know what PDL does yet?
PDIF increase.

Kat if you still have access to the setups posted above, mind sharing the numbers of Aeneas/Taming Sari (perf), Twashtar/Sari and Terps/Sari?

Wanna see how far behind they are in terms of DPS output.
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By Leviathan.Katriina 2018-09-12 05:05:26
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Aeneas/Sari:4261.824
Twashtar/Sari:4063.316
Terps/Sari:3714.799

Will add them to schedule above.
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By Rainemard 2018-09-12 06:00:07
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Btw, how did you code the terps augment? Last time I checked on spreadsheet it had 15% WSD for PK, but that's not how mythics work. Just checking, I feel like terps can't be THAT low.
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By Leviathan.Katriina 2018-09-12 06:36:32
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If you think there is something up with that, Cell Q545/WeaponSkills is where the cumulative WSD for Set 2 Mythic.

If there is a mechanic to modify the weapon directly you're more than welcome to try it because I've checked Terp stats in all forms and they are identical [I didnt create Terp from scratch], and Ive added 15% WSD one time and the other time I added 45%. It got 3836.484.
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By Rainemard 2018-09-12 06:40:23
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Damn, that's pretty rough to hear. I'm still surprised it's that low considering how good PK looks on paper. I've fiddled around with it on the spreadsheet and with BiS gear, which I have, it's saying I'll average 17.5k ws per PK. I find that superstrange because mine hit 30k+ with the same buffs I turned on on spreadsheet, on the the same mob I chose. It just doesn't add up at all. I've been parsing my wsavg and it's 28k~ish, with the exact same scenario.
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By Leviathan.Katriina 2018-09-12 06:47:16
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Yes PK should easily hit 40k and now after update in capped situations.
Best guess is, [Setan B] mechanic needs further investigation.

Apex Bat Lv136 on Spreadsheet is modified [its relatively close to WoC] and not the same as the ones you fight in game, and yes it was done before I got it.

Also lets wait when DNC Simulation is done, things can be reflected with much higher accuracy.
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By Asura.Splendid 2018-09-12 06:55:28
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Leviathan.Katriina said: »
Had some time to put the new upgrades on Daggers:

Disclaimer Regarding Follow Up Attack Setan:
-I assumed that follow up attack will be 50% of MH in TP set and added 50% DA to mele hits that dont proc.
-Please correct this if it was assumed wrong.
-Used Same BiS Set for Twashtar[for all Setan]
-Final Stats are [60% DA, 10%TA, 1%QA]


Dagger DPS
Aeneas/Twashtar 4437.700
Terpsichore/Twashtar 3823.547
Twashtar/Aeneas 3978.729
Setan A/Twashtar 3705.047
Setan B/Twashtar 4111.041
Setan B/Sari 4239.446
Setan C/Twashtar 3433.751
Aeneas/Sari 4261.824
Twashtar/Sari 4063.316
Terpsichore/Sari 3714.799


DNC Sheet
Again, I cant stress enough on the way I assumed Setan Follow up Attack.[this can alter hierarchy significantly]

P.S No Clim, No Striking, No Etoile Gorget +2 [PDL Proc] and No Saber were used.

Were the Terp/Twash numbers calculated through PK spam only? Did you try getting AM3 up and spamming Rudras with Terp/Twash? I’m currently working on gorget +2 myself. I’d be really surprised if the number was that low from Rudra spamming with Terp/Twash. I mean, it’s personally not an issue if that’s how those numbers were calculated. I have access to all options. It would just be disappointing.

Edits: Groggy errors.
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By Leviathan.Katriina 2018-09-12 06:59:06
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Its PK spam at 1k.
If you spam Rudra with Sari offhand its 4497.568
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