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Gay Fascism on HGTV
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-10 16:42:44
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »You realize the corporation would face consequences for firing someone high profile based on race/sexual orientation yeah? If you sign a contract to be a stereotypical 'leading man' (white, straight, sex appeal) and then you come out as gay you're probably going to get fired bro.
The point is that Paula Deen had been a big brand in the world of cooking/food and she decided to spoil that by making racist comments. You'd think a handler would have sat her down and taught her that if she wants to keep bankrolling money she should shut the *** up about blacks and keep talking about sticks of butter going into a heated pan. Weren't her comments made a long time ago before her show?
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-05-10 16:46:36
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I love how the defense is religious freedom here. If I went on TV as a proponent of slavery as dictated by my holy books would you be so quick to stand by my right to be the worst humanity has to offer? 
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-05-10 16:47:38
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I love how the defense is religious freedom here. If I went on TV as a proponent of slavery as dictated by my holy books would you be so quick to stand by my right to be the worst humanity has to offer? Second best Leonardo Dicaprio film ever.
Dude no longer looks like a lady in man-drag.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-10 16:48:12
Religion is a scam.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-05-10 16:50:18
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I love how the defense is religious freedom here. If I went on TV as a proponent of slavery as dictated by my holy books would you be so quick to stand by my right to be the worst humanity has to offer? 
Leo is a talented *** and I'm still wondering why he's been snubbed so by the Oscars. Guy has a ton of movies I enjoy.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-05-10 16:52:12
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I love how the defense is religious freedom here. If I went on TV as a proponent of slavery as dictated by my holy books would you be so quick to stand by my right to be the worst humanity has to offer?
Leo is a talented *** and I'm still wondering why he's been snubbed so by the Oscars. Guy has a ton of movies I enjoy.
I think he's finally broken out of that whole Titanic stigma.
Blood Diamond or w/e it was, was a really good movie.
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By Phoenix.Ragmar 2014-05-10 16:56:22
So you would support the decision if it were a member of the LGBT community who were fired for their lifestyle, like an actor who was flamboyantly gay, as it might have offended viewers and effected corporate profitability?
No... because as people seem to have a hard time understanding these people did NOT get fired cause they where "Christian" (I use the term loosely). They where fired cause they actively expressed and involved them selves in offending "several" communities.
Now if you rework what you said to be closer to the actually cause of the show's shut down e.g." A gay person stood up and said I'm gay and I hate Christians, Muslims, Catholics etc etc..." Then yes I would support there show being shut down. Which is exactly what happened here.
They did get fired for their personal pro-christian beliefs. Where did these brothers say "I hate teh gayz, Jews, and Muslims. Oh and women." SOME people can't understand that when someone else has beliefs that offend you it doesn't make them offensive even if it is ignorant.
I'm not offended that John Thompson, former coach of Georgetown University, openly said he would always choose a black player over a white player because the black player would run faster and jump higher. That was his opinion and he was entitled to it.
If a White coach made similar statements about basketball IQ and shooting percentage, with white players versus black players, the shitstorm would be epic.
Feign ignorance all you want.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-05-10 17:01:55
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »Second best Leonardo Dicaprio film ever.
Dude no longer looks like a lady in man-drag.
Horrible actor. Glad he didn't win the Oscar this year. The Aviator was his ONLY good film.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-10 17:04:18
'Growing Pains' was good.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-05-10 17:04:29
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »Second best Leonardo Dicaprio film ever.
Dude no longer looks like a lady in man-drag.
Horrible actor. Glad he didn't win the Oscar this year. The Aviator was his ONLY good film.
Titanic, Gangs of New York, The Aviator, The Departed, Blood Diamond, Shutter Island.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-05-10 17:04:38
another fun fact, you CAN in fact legally be fired for being gay in 29 states, whereas religion is protected nationwide. that's the whole purpose behind ENDA, so can we quit pretending that gay people are somehow more protected than the religious now, mmmkay?
What you fail to realize is that is a completely separate issue that Christians REALLY(and I mean this with the utmost sincerity) care nothing about. Christian's main beef is with the hole definition of matrimony blah blah. Marriage =/= holy matrimony is what I tell Christians, very different procedures.
I don't think any(or at least most) Christian would care if sexual-orientation would become deemed a protected class by the SCOTUS.
That's one of my main beefs with the whole umbrella term "anti-gay." I don't believe gays, I don't think most couples now a days for that matter, are entitled to holy matrimony. But that doesn't make me anti-gay.
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By Phoenix.Ragmar 2014-05-10 17:06:05
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I love how the defense is religious freedom here. If I went on TV as a proponent of slavery as dictated by my holy books would you be so quick to stand by my right to be the worst humanity has to offer?
Perhaps I'm wrong here, they used their show to be proponents of anti-gay rhetoric? I mean if they went on their HGTV show and made comments about things not related to their show then forgive me I did not see that part of the story.
By Elvyn87 2014-05-10 17:06:16
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »Second best Leonardo Dicaprio film ever.
Dude no longer looks like a lady in man-drag.
Horrible actor. Glad he didn't win the Oscar this year. The Aviator was his ONLY good film.
Titanic, Gangs of New York, The Aviator, The Departed, Blood Diamond, Shutter Island.
Um Inception! C'mon it was a good movie!
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-05-10 17:06:57
So you would support the decision if it were a member of the LGBT community who were fired for their lifestyle, like an actor who was flamboyantly gay, as it might have offended viewers and effected corporate profitability?
No... because as people seem to have a hard time understanding these people did NOT get fired cause they where "Christian" (I use the term loosely). They where fired cause they actively expressed and involved them selves in offending "several" communities.
Now if you rework what you said to be closer to the actually cause of the show's shut down e.g." A gay person stood up and said I'm gay and I hate Christians, Muslims, Catholics etc etc..." Then yes I would support there show being shut down. Which is exactly what happened here.
They did get fired for their personal pro-christian beliefs. Where did these brothers say "I hate teh gayz, Jews, and Muslims. Oh and women." SOME people can't understand that when someone else has beliefs that offend you it doesn't make them offensive even if it is ignorant.
I'm not offended that John Thompson, former coach of Georgetown University, openly said he would always choose a black player over a white player because the black player would run faster and jump higher. That was his opinion and he was entitled to it.
If a White coach made similar statements about basketball IQ and shooting percentage, with white players versus black players, the shitstorm would be epic.
Feign ignorance all you want. A lot of it comes down to how an opinion is stated, but once an opinion is stated, it is still up for scrutiny.
Having a religious belief is not something offensive, unless presented in an offensive way.
I've advocated that religion itself isn't inherently bad in other threads, and if it helps you to find happiness, and be happy, without the hate, and whatnot, good for you.
Having a differing opinion, isn't necessarily offensive either, regardless of stance. So, at this point, I can choose to believe you're more or less playing devil's advocate (pun not intended), and trying to formulate a response or argument without the emotional involvement, that so often clouds a speaker's words.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-05-10 17:07:10
I was talking about his pre-Inception work as I also liked that and Django. I haven't see Wolf on Wall Street but I will be soonish!
Edit: Or Gatsby because ***, Great Gatsby.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-05-10 17:07:45
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I was talking about his pre-Inception work as I also liked that and Django. I haven't see Wolf on Wall Street but I will be soonish!
He sniffs some coke off a hookers butt that's the highlight of the movie.
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Titanic, Gangs of New York, The Aviator, The Departed, Blood Diamond, Shutter Island. I forgot about Shutter Island. I'll admit that. But seriously Titanic?! really?! The only thing about the movie was the amazing, fabulous, stellar,...drum roll...
By fillerbunny9 2014-05-10 17:08:16
They did get fired for their personal pro-christian beliefs. Where did these brothers say "I hate teh gayz, Jews, and Muslims. Oh and women." SOME people can't understand that when someone else has beliefs that offend you it doesn't make them offensive even if it is ignorant.
let me refer you back to my post on the last page:
'As leader of OSA, Benham has condemned the interfaith Sandy Hook memorial, protested in front of mosques while shouting “Jesus Hates Muslims” and blamed the Aurora shooting on the Democratic Party, which he said promotes a “culture of death.”
He has also protested LGBT pride events, interrupted church services during a sermon by “sodomite Episcopalian bishop” Gene Robinson and was found “guilty of stalking a Charlotte abortion doctor after passing out hundreds of ‘wanted’ posters with the physician's name and photo on it.” OSA* even blamed the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on abortion rights'
bolding mine for emphasis
yup, totally not related to any actions, all because they say they're Christian.
their show was canceled before it was made because of this stuff. HGTV was informed of these things and had second thoughts about putting them on the air for fear of controversy/protest.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-05-10 17:08:33
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »Second best Leonardo Dicaprio film ever.
Dude no longer looks like a lady in man-drag.
Horrible actor. Glad he didn't win the Oscar this year. The Aviator was his ONLY good film.
Titanic, Gangs of New York, The Aviator, The Departed, Blood Diamond, Shutter Island.
Um Inception! C'mon it was a good movie! Forgot "Catch Me if You Can" with Leo as Frank Abignale Jr.
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By Bismarck.Snprphnx 2014-05-10 17:10:28
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »Second best Leonardo Dicaprio film ever.
Dude no longer looks like a lady in man-drag.
Horrible actor. Glad he didn't win the Oscar this year. The Aviator was his ONLY good film.
Titanic, Gangs of New York, The Aviator, The Departed, Blood Diamond, Shutter Island.
Um Inception! C'mon it was a good movie!
Catch Me If You Can. Not only did he bang a prostitute Jennifer Gardner, but he paid with a fake check, and he got change back from her.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-05-10 17:10:43
Only in a thread about gay fascism can we talk casually about the movies Leonardo Dicaprio was in, and actually liked.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-05-10 17:11:44
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »Only in a thread about gay fascism can we talk casually about the movies Leonardo Dicaprio was in, and actually liked.
I only titled it Gay Fascism in honor of Newt Gingrich lol. The term is comical and stupid.
By Elvyn87 2014-05-10 17:26:08
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »Only in a thread about gay fascism can we talk casually about the movies Leonardo Dicaprio was in, and actually liked.
That's because like most "discussions" of its nature it will never see any form of closer, It follows a very simple pattern;
Also forgot about Catch me if you can! Also a good movie.
By Jetackuu 2014-05-10 17:27:37
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »These two didn't lose their show because they said "We're Christian/Catholic/Whatever". They lost their show because they publicly demonstrated that "these other groups of people deserve less. Why? Well, because values!" and HGTV said to themselves "We are probably going to get a lot of controversy about this that we don't want. Let's just can the show and sidestep all of that."
Who cares so long as they deliver a good program. Paula Dean's show was high in ratings. She was an amazing *** cook. Who cares if you don't agree with her stance on African-Americans. I wasn't watching Paula Dean's show to listen to her political views i was watching her show for fattening recipes.
People need to come to this actualization that everyone has different views and opinions. Just because certain opinions are a little more ignorant than others, doesn't give any group the right to publicly scrutinize them. Freedom of speech is a two way street, you are a hypocrite and more importantly a bigot if you can't understand that.
Seriously all the *** gay supporters clamming down programs like this act like conservatives are out to perform Matthew Shepard part II. LGBT in this country need to put the poor victim card away in this country, it's getting ridiculous and embarrassing. Apparently the network cares, and possible viewers.
Everyone does have different views and opinions, yet when one's are bigoted and they make them public, the public has a right and a duty to react.
This doesn't have to do with just gays...
It's also a direct violation of the law to fire someone for their religious beliefs!
It's not against the law to fire somebody for making bigoted statements, then hiding behind their religion.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-10 17:55:34
It's not against the law to fire somebody for making bigoted statements, then hiding behind their religion. What if the religion preaches bigotry?
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-05-10 17:56:05
I subscribe to the church of GTFO
By Jetackuu 2014-05-10 17:59:28
It's not against the law to fire somebody for making bigoted statements, then hiding behind their religion. What if the religion preaches bigotry? Then it's hate speech, and not protected.
edit: the same as sacrifices aren't protected, etc.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-10 18:06:44
It's not against the law to fire somebody for making bigoted statements, then hiding behind their religion. What if the religion preaches bigotry? Then it's hate speech, and not protected.
edit: the same as sacrifices aren't protected, etc. Is faith healing protected?
By Jetackuu 2014-05-10 18:08:28
It's not against the law to fire somebody for making bigoted statements, then hiding behind their religion. What if the religion preaches bigotry? Then it's hate speech, and not protected.
edit: the same as sacrifices aren't protected, etc. Is faith healing protected? Under the same standard, it shouldn't be.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-05-10 18:10:13
It's not against the law to fire somebody for making bigoted statements, then hiding behind their religion. What if the religion preaches bigotry? Then it's hate speech, and not protected.
edit: the same as sacrifices aren't protected, etc. Is faith healing protected? Under the same standard, it shouldn't be. Unfortunately, there have been court cases that sided with faith healing, that ultimately ended with the victims suffering horrible pain until they died.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-10 18:10:43
I remember someone who posted here a while ago who said something along the lines of being gay in a sin, but only god can forgive them, so they love gay people, even though it's a sin.
What's that considered?
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Quote: HGTV is popular with the gays, so more than a few were scratching their heads when the cable channel announced a pilot featuring two brothers, one of whom—David Benham—has distinctly anti-gay views, as Right Wing Watch reported:
Later, Benham told Mefferd that America’s Christian majority must repent for tolerating abortion rights, no-fault divorce, legal pornography, “homosexuality and its agenda that is attacking the nation” and the “demonic ideologies” that he says have taken over the education system.
After a backlash on the brothers' Facebook page, HGTV cancelled Flip It Forward, which prompted its own backlash with Fox star Megyn Kelly agreeing with Family Research Counil head Tony Perkins that unlike gay people (!), the rights of Christians aren't as "protected and recognized in this country.” On Thursday, CNN’s Reliable Sources host Brian Stelter suggested this could be a thing and that Americans might perceive HGTV’s decision as a sign of intolerance toward intolerance.
“There is a risk, though, I think, of matching perceived intolerance with more intolerance,” Stelter said. “If you are someone at home who’s looking at this thinking, why are they taking away these brothers' TV show simply because of what they believe in the personal life, the answer—part of the answer to that—is diversity in the media.”
Luckily, NPR media critic Eric Deggans jumped in before the nodding CNN host closed out the segment. He disagreed with Stelter, saying that if the prospective hosts had expressed the same views about African-Americans instead of gays they wouldn’t even be having the discussion, nor would the brothers be able to find another network employer.
- See more at: http://www.frontiersla.com/frontiers-blog/2014/05/09/cnn-media-host-thinks-hgtv-scrapping-anti-gays-risks-matching-intolerance-with-more-intolerance#sthash.ekFzQwFR.dpuf
People should be entitled to their views, regardless of how ignorant they may be. It is when they take action in which it physically harms someone or inhibits their civil liberties that there should be consequences. This is very far from the actions of WBC. I would have liked to see such media coverage of WBC from LGBT non-profs and media outlets...just saying. People need to remember freedom of speech is a two way street, and if you are unwilling to protect that liberty for the ignorant and bigoted then freedom of speech as a concept is nothing but a sham.
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