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Ban Cannon in Empyreal Paradox
Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby
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By Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby 2013-07-04 17:32:51
The other problem I see with blu stunning is that it requires both geos to be danger geos (since the blu would probably need indi-focus just like the sch and rdm do... also i guess the rdm would have to stand in range too?)... it's not that it's impossible but it seems like playing on hard mode to do that. Well the actual numbers are getting into unfamiliar territory for me, but BLU is A+ Blue Magic, where SCH is B+ Dark Magic. I don't know what capped C+ Geomancy/Handbell skills give for MAcc, but I guess that would depend on if the Indi-Focus effect is greater than the extra 20 skill levels, and if so, is it significant enough to warrant using Indi-Torpor in lieu of another spell. GEO needs re-working anyway IMO, but that's another thread.
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By Asura.Sthrnrebel 2013-07-04 17:36:25
Has anyone banned from the ban cannon been unbanned/heard from SE yet? Is it temp or perm?
By Quiznor 2013-07-04 17:37:17
Has anyone banned from the ban cannon been unbanned/heard from SE yet? Is it temp or perm?
They probably all hung themselves after being banned,as is the usual hyperbole response from XI players
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By Asura.Hoshiku 2013-07-04 17:47:09
Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »The other problem I see with blu stunning is that it requires both geos to be danger geos (since the blu would probably need indi-focus just like the sch and rdm do... also i guess the rdm would have to stand in range too?)... it's not that it's impossible but it seems like playing on hard mode to do that. Well the actual numbers are getting into unfamiliar territory for me, but BLU is A+ Blue Magic, where SCH is B+ Dark Magic. I don't know what capped C+ Geomancy/Handbell skills give for MAcc, but I guess that would depend on if the Indi-Focus effect is greater than the extra 20 skill levels, and if so, is it significant enough to warrant using Indi-Torpor in lieu of another spell. GEO needs re-working anyway IMO, but that's another thread.
Yes but RDM is also A+ enfeebling skill and I think we get more enfeebling+ gear than you do and we still need indi-focus.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-07-04 17:51:53
Focus and Languor are giving like 100macc together.
Also GEO spells cannot be resisted under normal conditions. The job uis immensely powerful.
Someone please quote this so Tenshibaby can see it.
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By Asura.Lokimaru 2013-07-04 18:02:08
Focus and Languor are giving like 100macc together.
Also GEO spells cannot be resisted under normal conditions. The job is immensely powerful.
Someone please quote this so Tenshibaby can see it. Took the liberty of correcting a typo. :>
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By Lye 2013-07-04 18:02:41
I'm hesitant to believe:
"X is A+
Y is B-
If Y can do it, X can"
If there are a number of differences between X and Y.
If you want to assert this idea, could you do it in another thread where people who have stunned these mobs can confirm or deny your speculation?
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By Asura.Sthrnrebel 2013-07-04 18:11:19
Last I checked, this was a thread about the ban cannon, not which performs better at Stun locking a Delve boss. Can we stick to the topic please? I am interested in hearing if anyone has heard anything from SE.
Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby
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By Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby 2013-07-04 18:13:15
I'm hesitant to believe:
"X is A+
Y is B-
If Y can do it, X can"
If there are a number of differences between X and Y.
If you want to assert this idea, could you do it in another thread where people who have stunned these mobs can confirm or deny your speculation? What differences did you have in mind?
Sorry, you can resume the "FFXI is dying" thought I so rudely interrupted.
Ragnarok.Zohnax
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By Ragnarok.Zohnax 2013-07-04 18:19:37
Mfw the differences between Stun and Sudden Lunge* aren't clear enough. Or even, BLU physical spells.
EDIT: Fixed spell, my bad.
Asura.Gabba
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By Asura.Gabba 2013-07-04 18:23:37
The other problem I see with blu stunning is that it requires both geos to be danger geos (since the blu would probably need indi-focus just like the sch and rdm do... also i guess the rdm would have to stand in range too?)... it's not that it's impossible but it seems like playing on hard mode to do that.
Macc don't affect blu physicals spells(lol @ blu's doing MACC swords..) Blu will need same Acc roll/songs as any DD.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-07-04 18:25:36
i think you mean sudden lunge, heavy strike is low accuracy and added effect slow
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By Ragnarok.Zohnax 2013-07-04 18:26:00
The other problem I see with blu stunning is that it requires both geos to be danger geos (since the blu would probably need indi-focus just like the sch and rdm do... also i guess the rdm would have to stand in range too?)... it's not that it's impossible but it seems like playing on hard mode to do that.
Macc don't affect blu physicals spells(lol @ blu's doing MACC swords..) Blu will need same Acc roll/songs as any DD. Last I was aware, the physical part of BLU spells is just the damage, and the additional effect was affected by MACC.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-07-04 18:26:18
magic accuracy effects the accuracy of the added effects.
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Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby
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By Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby 2013-07-04 18:39:09
magic accuracy effects the accuracy of the added effects. Head Butt alone runs ~10sec recast before any Fast Cast gear, not sure how well it procs on Tojil, for example, but considering that is one of 6 stun spells BLU gets (not counting Thunderbolt) it may be worth trying out.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-07-04 18:44:26
Its still subject to both mainhand accuracy and magic accuracy, so it's already less accurate than Stun, not to mention BLU offers very little else to the run.
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By Siren.Knivesz 2013-07-04 18:49:36
Last I checked, this was a thread about the ban cannon, not which performs better at Stun locking a Delve boss. Can we stick to the topic please? I am interested in hearing if anyone has heard anything from SE.
This was a stupid topic to begin with so its irrelevant if its derailed into equally stupid topics such as "FFXI is dying" or " My BLU can stun, invite this crap job (on high end End Game content at least) to delve NMs/bosses plz guys." They apparently don't perma ban you for first offenses such flee hacking/clipping or skill up botting (though they naturally will if you have a history of botting/being a douche). I know of several people temporarily suspended for it yes but have never come across anyone insta banned for it being a first offense. I suppose it might depend on their mood I guess but highly doubt even that.
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Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby
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By Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby 2013-07-04 18:51:18
Its still subject to both mainhand accuracy and magic accuracy, so it's already less accurate than Stun, not to mention BLU offers very little else to the run. I dual wield a Delve sword and a Delve MAcc club, plus BLU has decent support/debuffs (including -TP) and damage output. That's the problem I have with GEO: it gives two buffsdebuffs and maybe some emergency weak cures and -na spells, otherwise it's a choice between sit and watch the luopan's HP go down or spend precious MP trying to help cure. Granted that is my limited experience with GEO talking, but if we are talking about slots that offer one meager benefit, GEO definitely comes to mind for me.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-07-04 18:53:06
Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »Its still subject to both mainhand accuracy and magic accuracy, so it's already less accurate than Stun, not to mention BLU offers very little else to the run. I dual wield a Delve sword and a Delve MAcc club, plus BLU has decent support/debuffs (including -TP) and damage output. That's the problem I have with GEO: it gives two buffsdebuffs and maybe some emergency weak cures and -na spells, otherwise it's a choice between sit and watch the luopan's HP go down or spend precious MP trying to help cure. Granted that is my limited experience with GEO talking, but if we are talking about slots that offer one meager benefit, GEO definitely comes to mind for me.
Don't get me wrong, I love BLU, I just don't see it being worth a party slot in Delve NM runs. It has too little to offer.
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Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby
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By Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby 2013-07-04 18:58:42
Don't get me wrong, I love BLU, I just don't see it being worth a party slot in Delve NM runs. It has too little to offer.
I like to challenge the common wisdom, since it seems to get proven wrong eventually anyway lol... I think stuns and Feather Tickle/Reaving Wind at least warrant some experimentation.
By blackmagus 2013-07-04 19:04:18
Was just a GM in our paradox while doing shinryu, be careful folks!
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Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby
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By Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby 2013-07-04 19:07:07
Was just a GM in our paradox while doing shinryu, be careful folks! I can just see the morning meeting: "Our numbers are up since the latest expansion. Gentlemen, we are making too much money. If this keeps up our sales of FF14: ARRWTF and FF13+3=15 may suffer. Get out there and BAN like you've never banned before!!"
Oddly enough, GM auto-responses now send you to a FF14 website to fill out a report on botters.
By Quiznor 2013-07-04 19:08:52
Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »Was just a GM in our paradox while doing shinryu, be careful folks! I can just see the morning meeting: "Our numbers are up since the latest expansion. Gentlemen, we are making too much money. If this keeps up our sales of FF14: ARRWTF and FF13+3=15 may suffer. Get out there and BAN like you've never banned before!!"
Oddly enough, GM auto-responses now send you to a FF14 website to fill out a report on botters.
You know just because [GM]hwgydhgyb says he is a GM,doesnt actually mean he is,right?
By Enuyasha 2013-07-04 19:11:56
So, is it safe to AFK skill outside of paradox or not >_>?
Thats all i really need to know, then you can continue whatever this is.
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By Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby 2013-07-04 19:14:24
You know just because [GM]hwgydhgyb says he is a GM,doesnt actually mean he is,right? Was in the help desk response message, not in the chat box.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-07-04 19:14:51
So, is it safe to AFK skill outside of paradox or not >_>? Thats all i really need to know, then you can continue whatever this is.
As long as you're not casting spells and crap while AFK, I think you're probably safe. What exactly would they jail/ban you for if you're not? Loitering!?
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By Ragnarok.Zohnax 2013-07-04 19:16:17
SquareEnix's support site is apparently strictly for XIV. lol
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By Siren.Knivesz 2013-07-04 19:17:09
So, is it safe to AFK skill outside of paradox or not >_>?
Thats all i really need to know, then you can continue whatever this is.
Bot skill up in Port Jeuno like a boss, **** the GMs. To answer your question it is not safe to bot anywhere as its against their policy or whatever. Let alone in frequented places such as the paradox. Just go to some random out of the way location where no one goes or roll the dice and risk the potential temp ban. I personally chose the latter when I needed to skill up cause I just didn't give a ****.
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By Ragnarok.Zohnax 2013-07-04 19:18:53
So, is it safe to AFK skill outside of paradox or not >_>?
Thats all i really need to know, then you can continue whatever this is.
Bot skill up in Port Jeuno like a boss, **** the GMs. To answer your question it is not safe to bot anywhere as its against their policy or whatever. Let alone in frequented places such a the paradox. Just go to some random out of the way location where no one goes or roll the dice and risk the potential temp ban. Or like a smart person, you can sit there and play something else on your TV or read a book, or draw, or whatever while your character skills-up and you toss a glance at the screen every few minutes.
By Quiznor 2013-07-04 19:19:20
SquareEnix's support site is apparently strictly for XIV. lol
Dead XI anyone?
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Hey all,
I just wanted to give you a heads up that GM's are heavily monitoring Empyreal Paradox for skill up bots.
Just a friendly reminder. I believe we have all gotten use to spellcast and its friendly skill up xml files but would hate to see anyone get burned.
Ballkicker, Magrand, and Agamemnon have gotten the boot to date.
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