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By Heimdel 2013-07-04 10:36:17
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Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
i started around CoP release(on PS2), but i was thinking of qufim cliff not rabao, so i'll give you that

i still find it hard to believe that it was as much (relative) gil added as ebisus are nowadays.. SE's added all sorts of gil sinks to try to accomodate it

The cliff was RMTs they weren''t selling to players they would have 50 is so bot fishing all catch a sword that their runners would go back and forth picking them up and then selling to npc in town. SE eventually nerfed the npc price on the sword killing that off. Though not before it generated huge ammounts of gil and helping to inflate the economy .
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By Lakshmi.Watusa 2013-07-04 10:41:03
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Afania said: »
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Profit > Enforcing your terms of service on a dying game. At any time they could do just one sweep of Beaucedine on every server and get rid of everyone if they really gave a ***, but they haven't. I think they only really bother checking if someone's a *** and calls a GM on you.


That's an extremely short sighted POV if you can't see how a company would lose more profit if you don't ban cheater/RMT.

A lot of ppl don't cheat, simply because the chance of getting banned still exist. Yeah, it seems that most of the time they don't care, but ppl been saying "you won't get banned, so just do ettttt!" when ppl salvage dupe or clipper NNI. Whenever SE bans a cheater/RMT, it prevents potential players that would cheat if SE do nothing.

So, if SE doesn't ban cheaters, more ppl cheats, period.

And what will happen if most players cheat/RMT?

Things like cheating/RMT gives advantage to ppl who do it, and putting ppl not doing it in disadvantage.

If I, or any random player are new to FFXI, and every other player skills up faster, runs faster, clears events easier, and gets a relic faster without grinding/crafting, I'd have to cheat to keep up too. And not every player is into that sort of thing.

So, if I need to cheat to keep up, I may end up quitting. And the game die faster than it is now.

If FFXI still has 3 more years of life span, then it shortens life span if ppl quit faster, and that's less profit.

Also, real RMTs probably would start cancelling their account and sell less gil, due to less profit. Since RMT profit is based on players. If everyone fishbot or run faster, make gil faster, or make progress faster, I bet gil would lose value too.

Further more, EVERY newer MMO SE make, DQ10, FFXIV and such, I'd think twice, or maybe 3 times before I try it. If they don't ban cheaters in XI, maybe they won't ban cheaters in DQ10 and FFXIV too?
I don't want to play a new MMO and have to cheat to keep up, I'll pass this title.

What about MMOs after DQ10, FFXIV? In next 50 years, as long as SE exists and continue to make MMO, they'd be labeled as a company letting everyone bot/cheat, and players not into this sort of things would not play.

Overall, I see decreased brand value and way less profit if SE doesn't ban cheaters.



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and those that will get pissed enough to leave over it have already done so


Not true, different player has different tolerance when it comes to cheating. Some ppl can tolerate fishbot but not speedhack. Some ppl can tolerate spellcast, windower but not fishbot/speed hack and auto skill up. Some ppl can't tolerate windower/spellcast but they still play regardless. If today SE stop banning cheaters, I see more ppl would start to cheat and more ppl would quit for it.

Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
its just lowering their net subs to ban them


By that logic, if I open a private server for FFXI and allow everyone to cheat, clipper, fishbot and w/e, I should get more sub than FFXI.

But no, most of us probably already know that private server doesn't sound fun.

Okay bro keep being ignorant about it, meanwhile more than half the population still playing is doing something considered "cheating." You don't seem to understand the point we tried to make in this thread, SE just doesn't give a *** as much anymore about botting as they've done in the past when they want to retain as many customers as they can.

The game is dying and your company is in the shitter reporting losses every quarter. What do you do, ban everyone cheating and keep that 10% of people who *** and moan about this ***happy meanwhile losing even more money, or turn the other way and let them keep playing to retain as much income as you can? It's a business, the bottom line is the bottom line.

FFXIV is going to be a brand new game, rules will be enforced just like they were when FFXI came out and bots were getting banned left and right. One day FFXIV will die out and the same cycle will happen, they won't give a *** anymore because your dollar means more.
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2013-07-04 12:46:51
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Okay bro keep being ignorant about it, meanwhile more than half the population still playing is doing something considered "cheating."


I don't see "more than half" of ppl skill up bot or fish bot. Ppl do it a lot, do it all the time, but ppl do get banned for fishbot often, and it's certainly less than 50% of population.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2013-07-04 12:55:43
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I don't see how the game is dying. Do people say that to look cool?
 
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-07-04 13:00:15
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I don't see how the game is dying. Do people say that to look cool?

More and more of the people online are bazaar or fishing mules, most events are nearly impossible to field (VW shouts take forever to fill, abby is deserted, even SoA content is mostly empty), most LS's I know of lose most of thier players durring FFXIV beta days, etc.

It might be a short term thing, but FFXI is deserted on even the most populated servers.
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By Lakshmi.Watusa 2013-07-04 13:06:54
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Ragnarok.Afania said: »
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Okay bro keep being ignorant about it, meanwhile more than half the population still playing is doing something considered "cheating."


I don't see "more than half" of ppl skill up bot or fish bot. Ppl do it a lot, do it all the time, but ppl do get banned for fishbot often, and it's certainly less than 50% of population.

Any form of 3rd party program is considered cheating. More than half the playerbase is guilty, get over it.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-07-04 13:34:02
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LOL
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By Bahamut.Lilsanchez 2013-07-04 13:39:32
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Lakshmi.Watusa said: »
Ragnarok.Afania said: »
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Okay bro keep being ignorant about it, meanwhile more than half the population still playing is doing something considered "cheating."


I don't see "more than half" of ppl skill up bot or fish bot. Ppl do it a lot, do it all the time, but ppl do get banned for fishbot often, and it's certainly less than 50% of population.

Any form of 3rd party program is considered cheating. More than half the playerbase is guilty, get over it.
Meh players using third party programs that give them an "unfair" advantage is considered cheating. Botting is a definite no no.
Game may not be dying but it's becoming less popular. Compared to the 3000-5000 people on double the amount of servers to what we have now. 1000-1300 on half the amount of servers. You do the math.
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By Sylph.Subadai 2013-07-04 13:42:09
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What I'd like to know is how somebody "knows for sure" that somebody else is skill botting. Because if I skill up in an area that has any kind of traffic, I am constantly pestered by a crowd of douches who are "sure" I am botting. *** annoying.

Anyway, SE should enforce their rules, otherwise the game will become a cesspool of a handful of players and thousands of bots. Better to lose some revenue now (esp. RMT who will just create or buy replacement accounts) than lose 90% of your playerbase over the long run. But hell, maybe that's what they want. It wouldn't be the first time a company tries to kill a popular product to force their users to use a different/new one. Which never works.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-07-04 13:43:24
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Bahamut.Lilsanchez said: »
Lakshmi.Watusa said: »
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Okay bro keep being ignorant about it, meanwhile more than half the population still playing is doing something considered "cheating."
I don't see "more than half" of ppl skill up bot or fish bot. Ppl do it a lot, do it all the time, but ppl do get banned for fishbot often, and it's certainly less than 50% of population.
Any form of 3rd party program is considered cheating. More than half the playerbase is guilty, get over it.
Meh players using third party programs that give them an "unfair" advantage is considered cheating. Botting is a definite no no. Game may not be dying but it's becoming less popular. Compared to the 3000-5000 people on double the amount of servers to what we have now. 1000-1300 on half the amount of servers. You do the math.

Windower is considered an unfair advantage, there is litterally no 3rd party program that doesn't, no matter how small.
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By Cerberus.Pukushu 2013-07-04 13:47:23
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When honest players are abundant then getting rid of the bots is in the best interest of the company. It keeps the players happy and the loss is minimal. However when the bots make up a significant % of the player base it becomes a lot more cloudy of an issue.

If they do ban all the bots then the population decreases even more. While the bots are gone it looks more empty and items become harder to find. This leads to frustration for players trying to obtain things/reach goals and generally the landscape looks deserted leading to more people moving on quicker.

The less people online leads to more people quitting and eventually ffxi dies. SE tries to slow this process of empty servers by combining them. Then add the fact that with decreased subscriptions they dont have the operating money to keep the game going.

On the other hand players can become disgruntled with bots and complain about it or quit if they feel strongly about it. Again this leads to fewer subscriptions and less people logged on.

It is my opinion that SE is doing enough bans to keep most people honest. Similar to the police doing sped traps to keep most people from speeding excessively. Everyone knows they could get caught so the honest ones stay honest. The ones scared of getting caught keep it to a minimum or stay honest and the ones that just dont care keep going till they get caught and pay the consequences.

I think SE might do better if they just charged people when they caught them, but who knows.
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By Lakshmi.Feint 2013-07-04 13:54:39
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Lakshmi.Watusa said: »
Ragnarok.Afania said: »
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Okay bro keep being ignorant about it, meanwhile more than half the population still playing is doing something considered "cheating."


I don't see "more than half" of ppl skill up bot or fish bot. Ppl do it a lot, do it all the time, but ppl do get banned for fishbot often, and it's certainly less than 50% of population.

Any form of 3rd party program is considered cheating. More than half the playerbase is guilty, get over it.
Fkn Canadians.
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By Lakshmi.Watusa 2013-07-04 14:11:07
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Lakshmi.Feint said: »
Lakshmi.Watusa said: »
Ragnarok.Afania said: »
Lakshmi.Watusa said: »
Okay bro keep being ignorant about it, meanwhile more than half the population still playing is doing something considered "cheating."


I don't see "more than half" of ppl skill up bot or fish bot. Ppl do it a lot, do it all the time, but ppl do get banned for fishbot often, and it's certainly less than 50% of population.

Any form of 3rd party program is considered cheating. More than half the playerbase is guilty, get over it.
Fkn Canadians.

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By Lakshmi.Feint 2013-07-04 14:24:05
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Lakshmi.Watusa said: »
Lakshmi.Feint said: »
Lakshmi.Watusa said: »
Ragnarok.Afania said: »
Lakshmi.Watusa said: »
Okay bro keep being ignorant about it, meanwhile more than half the population still playing is doing something considered "cheating."


I don't see "more than half" of ppl skill up bot or fish bot. Ppl do it a lot, do it all the time, but ppl do get banned for fishbot often, and it's certainly less than 50% of population.

Any form of 3rd party program is considered cheating. More than half the playerbase is guilty, get over it.
Fkn Canadians.

LOL
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2013-07-04 15:01:40
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I don't see how the game is dying. Do people say that to look cool?

More and more of the people online are bazaar or fishing mules, most events are nearly impossible to field (VW shouts take forever to fill, abby is deserted, even SoA content is mostly empty), most LS's I know of lose most of thier players durring FFXIV beta days, etc.

It might be a short term thing, but FFXI is deserted on even the most populated servers.

Speak for yourself. Ive ran into plenty of people in Abby this week while I worked on my stun staff and cure staff. I even teamed with them. VW is all easily 8 man now. I spam morta with less in my ls. Delve is empty? What are you smoking?
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By Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby 2013-07-04 15:06:40
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Leviathan.Draylo said: »
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I don't see how the game is dying. Do people say that to look cool?

More and more of the people online are bazaar or fishing mules, most events are nearly impossible to field (VW shouts take forever to fill, abby is deserted, even SoA content is mostly empty), most LS's I know of lose most of thier players durring FFXIV beta days, etc.

It might be a short term thing, but FFXI is deserted on even the most populated servers.

Speak for yourself. Ive ran into plenty of people in Abby this week while I worked on my stun staff and cure staff. I even teamed with them. VW is all easily 8 man now. I spam morta with less in my ls. Delve is empty? What are you smoking?
Delve isn't empty, just the groups are always 16/18 when the /yells start, and always looking for BRD or SCH stunner (because the elitist noobs don't know that BLU is the stun king).
 
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2013-07-04 15:08:21
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Uh no, sch. Make your own party or level support.
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By Asura.Ccl 2013-07-04 15:18:54
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Delve isn't empty, just the groups are always 16/18 when the /yells start, and always looking for BRD or SCH stunner (because the elitist noobs don't know that BLU is the stun king).


Blu can stun lock delve boss :o?
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By Siren.Knivesz 2013-07-04 15:26:48
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Odin.Jassik said: »
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I don't see how the game is dying. Do people say that to look cool?

More and more of the people online are bazaar or fishing mules, most events are nearly impossible to field (VW shouts take forever to fill, abby is deserted, even SoA content is mostly empty), most LS's I know of lose most of thier players durring FFXIV beta days, etc.

It might be a short term thing, but FFXI is deserted on even the most populated servers.

Nothing another round of server merges cant fix lol. Figured this problem was more confined to lesser servers like siren (800+ people strong supposedly on NA primetime) but if a server like Odin (which is supposed to be one of the biggest servers left) has this problem too then it seems merges really will become inevitable soon.
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By Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby 2013-07-04 16:20:16
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Delve isn't empty, just the groups are always 16/18 when the /yells start, and always looking for BRD or SCH stunner (because the elitist noobs don't know that BLU is the stun king).


Blu can stun lock delve boss :o?
With A+ BLU magic skill capped, why not? That may be a lot to ask of Abyssea BLU's...
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By Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby 2013-07-04 16:23:10
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Leviathan.Draylo said: »
Uh no, sch. Make your own party or level support.
I fully agree with this, except for the implication that I don't have support leveled lol. I was 75WHM even before Divine Veil, and BRD and RDM were 2 of my first 75's in the pre-Abyssea days. I used to get invited to parties when logging in before "Welcome to Gilgamesh!" appeared... Those were the days.
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By Asura.Hoshiku 2013-07-04 16:31:26
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Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »
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Delve isn't empty, just the groups are always 16/18 when the /yells start, and always looking for BRD or SCH stunner (because the elitist noobs don't know that BLU is the stun king).


Blu can stun lock delve boss :o?
With A+ BLU magic skill capped, why not? That may be a lot to ask of Abyssea BLU's...

I think the biggest problem with a BLU stunlocking the boss is that you have to be in range of AoE's. The first time you fail to stun due to lag is likely the last.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-07-04 16:38:04
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BLU stun outside of Temporal shift does not reliably land on Fracture bosses. Also, they stun you, knock you back, etc.

It's okay though, Tenshibaby's super paranoid delusional Republican powers shield his entire alliance from the effects of Lahar.
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By Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby 2013-07-04 16:38:36
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Asura.Hoshiku said: »
I think the biggest problem with a BLU stunlocking the boss is that you have to be in range of AoE's. The first time you fail to stun due to lag is likely the last.
Maybe so, but that doesn't seem to stop the GEO's from sticking to the NM. Idk, I am speculating or seeking an explanation as to why it wouldn't work, and also venting frustration at people acting simultaneously elitist and afraid to try anything that someone else hasn't already done. Our server is starting to make me think of The Vapors.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-07-04 16:45:18
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GEO is fine because it Can idle there in capped DT and its spells cannot be resisted.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-07-04 17:12:11
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He's needs an explanation from someone not on his block list, lol.
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By Lye 2013-07-04 17:14:11
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This thread just got silly.
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By Asura.Hoshiku 2013-07-04 17:14:24
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The other problem I see with blu stunning is that it requires both geos to be danger geos (since the blu would probably need indi-focus just like the sch and rdm do... also i guess the rdm would have to stand in range too?)... it's not that it's impossible but it seems like playing on hard mode to do that.
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