E3 2013

Piracy didn't kill the Dreamcast. It was the lack of consumer confidence that came with them shitting out a new console every 2 years and announcing games that were eventually never released for them.

Good point.

actually, yes Piracy damned it pretty hard, when any shmuck can take and CD-R and burn a game to it and play it on a dreamcast without modding it at all, that's pretty huge.

also if you don't think piracy did it, I don't see how you think your other example compares it to the XBone.

I wonder how long it will be before we're getting Call of Duty: Werewolves

As Wii-U is showing us, your system can have the coolest hardware and best of intentions but it isn't crap without games.

Actually... funny you say that, did you see the new PS4 game they announced from Santa Monica studios today? that 1884 one?

from the movie, looks like a squad based shooter... and you tell me what they're shooting, lol

The fact that the far superior(hardware-wise) PS2 was right around the corner did'nt help the dreamcast at all though..
Basicly is WiiU vs PS4\Xone hardware-wise.
Difference is that Nintendo has a huge amount of characters that basicly keep them alive :p

cause Xbox 360 is arguable the best selling and most profitable console available on the market today and 360 is going on it's 8th year, so... yeah, lol

Nah, the Wii killed everything, and it didnt even sell anything in the last few years, and its still well ahead in units sold. Then there is the 3DS, which is closing in on the PS2, which is crazy.

Personally I don't see a reason to get a X-1 since with that price tag I may as well add 2-3 hundred dollars more and build a pc. After that I can simply play anything Microsoft will offer.

Also, I hope all you wanted was Titanfall, lol, which I wouldn't blame you, that game looks *** awesome.

I'm not gonna be buying either console until they get dropped down to the $200-250 range in a couple years anyways. I don't play console games enough to care about being an 'early adopter' and by then all the really cool games that actually take full advantage of the hardware will start coming out anyhow.

Don't know about that, I spent like 400 dollars on my Geforce 680 which is probably on par with whats in Xbox/PS4 so you're probably looking closer to a grand+ if you want something par/better.

Also, I hope all you wanted was Titanfall, lol, which I wouldn't blame you, that game looks *** awesome.

I'm not gonna be buying either console until they get dropped down to the $200-250 range in a couple years anyways. I don't play console games enough to care about being an 'early adopter' and by then all the really cool games that actually take full advantage of the hardware will start coming out anyhow.

So much this >.>; I still don't think people realize how much of an upper hand the ps4 has in terms of hardware.


Then again the pa3 is technically a better system hardware wise than the 360 and that didn't stop everyone from just simply porting games over, until recently that is.

K? all I see if bars, not even numbers, that's pretty lop sided at best. Reminds me of those dumbass Verizon ads, where they had tons of asinine charts and they asked "Real People" which chart was better and the people would say "Well that one cause the bar is higher!"

doesn't really help when there is no context at all whatsoever

So let's start with the innards...

CPU >>
Xbox One = 8-core 64-bit x86 "custom" AMD CPU (rumored as a Jaguar AMD) @ 1.6GHz
PS4 = 8-core 64-bit x86 AMD CPU @ 1.6GHz

Winner = Here (not knowing enough on Xbox's CPU), we have a wash. Both get a point.

GPU>>
Xbox One = Is being compared to the Radeon HD 7790 (32MB eSRAM Embedded Memory, 102GB/s Embedded Memory Bandwidth, and 1.23 TFLOPS Peak Shader Throughput)
PS4 = is being compared to the Radeon 7870 (32 MB eSRAM Embedded Memory, 176GB/s Embedded Memory Bandwidth, and 1.84 TFLOPS Peak Shader Throughput)

Winner = PS4 is going to have to win here.

RAM>>
Xbox One = 8GB DDR3 RAM
PS4 = 8 GB GDDR5 RAM

Winner = PS4... Same amount of RAM, but GDDR5 is very noticeably faster.

Disk Drive>>
Xbox One = 6x Blu-ray player, 8x DVD player
PS4 = 6x Blu-ray player, 8x DVD player

Winner = Same thing... means a tie

Hard Drive>>
Xbox One = One SKU... 500GB Hard Drive
PS4 = One SKU... 500GB Hard Drive

Winner = This comes out to another wash

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Let's now look at accessories...

Controller>>
Xbox One = If it's not broke, don't fix it. Microsoft took what was good, and made it better. Rumble in the triggers (AWESOME!). Better D-pad (AWESOME!). More grip to sticks. Still uses AA Batteries?
PS4 = Not changing too much, but added a lot of new features... You get the Glow light indicator, which is apparently using Move tech. There's a touch pad in the middle. There's a speaker. There's a jack for a headset. Better Triggers. Better sticks.

Winner = This is probably the hardest to rank... there's no "clear" winner. I personally like the PS3 Controller over 360 (but that's just me). I REALLY like Microsoft's approach to the controller. I love the rumble triggers lol. But, I think PS4's controller could have HUGE potential. I think this comes down to personal preference... so I will give both a point

Camera>>
Xbox One = We get Kinect 2.0... This thing is high tech! 1920 x 1080 x 16 bbp 16:9 YUY2 @ 30fps (1080p). 4 mic array, senses your heat, see's in the dark, and can read your pulse by just looking at you! Also a 70degree Horizontal by 60degree Vertical Field of view.
PS4 = The Playstation 4 Eye... Not all the bells, and whistles. 1280 x 800 pixel x 2 @ 60fps. 85degree Field of view. & a 4 channel microphone array.

Winner = It's nice that the PS Eye can do 60fps (but not 1080p though). And the larger Field of View seems nice, but PS4's Eye is more of a nice webcam... Xbox's is, well... Kinect 2.0. The things it can do is actually impressive (but will people use it lol). But still... check a point for Xbox One

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Let's talk about Features

DRM>>
Xbox One = Microsoft's DRM is in the form of codes, a required internet connection. The games will basically only be licensed to the buyer, and all games will be in digital form so that Microsoft can keep track of them.
PS4 = No DRM of any kind. When you buy a game... you OWN the game

Winner = PS4

Used Games>>
Xbox One = Games can be sold to "participating" retailers (ie, probably like Bestbuy, and Gamestop... "maybe Amazon"). So used games can't be sold through services like Ebay and Craigslist. The "but" is... BUT, it's all up to the publisher if you can sell it to Gamestop. So if EA says you can't sell Madden to Gamestop, you can't sell it. So only "some" games can be sold used, and there's a LOT of hoops to jump though if you do.
PS4 = Used games are perfectly fine... you buy a game you can sell it, trade it, let someone borrow it, do whatever you want with it... after all, it's YOUR game

Winner = PS4

Connectivity>>
Xbox One>> Must be connected to the internet at least every 24 hours... every 1 hour if your signed in on a friend's console. Basically this means that it is "required" that you have internet connection in order to use the system.
PS4 = You want to play a single player game on a boat in the middle of the ocean... go right ahead. NO online is ever required

Winner = PS4

Game Recording>>
Xbox One = Has "game DVR"... not sure how long it records for, but you can take your recording, use software to edit it, and post on Twitch.
PS4 = It is always recording the last 15 minutes of game play. You can then take that content, edit it, and post it on youtube, Facebook, or Ustream.

Winner = Due to no real full knowledge of these 2 different ways of recording, it's hard to choice one without hands on time... so we'll give it a tie

Online Service>>
Xbox One = we have Live... and now Live is taking a page out PS Plus's book, and are now offering free games every month. But... Live is still required to play any online game.
PS4 = we have PS Plus... in my humble opinion, is a way better deal than Live. BUT now is required for online play on the PS4

Winner = If Sony wouldn't have made PS Plus required for online play, I would have gave it to PS4... but now, it's a tie.

Extra Features>>
Xbox One = Has Smartglass to use for an extra screen, and use for some cool features. "Smart match" actually sounds really cool. No Microsoft Points! 1000 friend lists. And don't forget about TV, TV, TV, TV, Sports, Sports, Sports, Sports! Say what you want, a lot of the features are really cool. (I would never use them, but they "are" pretty cool).
PS4 = Sony made sure to say... HEY, we have movies, and music, Netflix, Hulu, and Flixster too! Also, you'll be able to get payperview events on PS4. Sony also has some sort of "plan" for Sony movies on the PS4, but don't know much.

Winner = PS4 and Xbox One have a lot of the same features. Sony says Movies/Music... Microsoft says TV/Sports!.... That said, the features on Xbox, do seem kind of cool. With not knowing Sony's "plan", I think I will say Xbox wins this one

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Let's look at games
This is hard to monitor as a winner/non-winner... so I'm going to go based off who's got more exclusives and more new IP's... only way I can think of to compare
This is as of me posting this... their may be more on either console announced throughout the week, but I can't see into the future.

Indie Games>>
Xbox One = They talked about how indies are sooo important, and then what do they show? Minecraft?!?! Then, moved on... are you serious? From everything I've seen, Microsoft doesn't care about Indies in the slightest. Plus, Indie developers CAN'T self publish.
PS4 = During first reveal... They brought out Jonathan Blow! Enough said. But they didn't stop there. During E3, they brought out a DOZEN indie developers including Supergiant Games with Transistor... and Outlast!!!! (so excited to play that on console!)... PLUS Indie developers CAN self publish.

Winner = PS4... They are pushing on this, and desirably so... Since the competition doesn't care.

Exclusive Titles>>
Xbox One = 19 ( 5 of which are Kinect games) (Microsoft said 15 exclusives planed)
PS4 = 30 (Sony said 40 exclusives planed)

Winner = PS4

Exclusive "New" IP's>>
Xbox One = 9 ( 2 of which in a Kinect game)
PS4 = 19

Winner = PS4
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For fun, I won't include these... but let's talk about the Games. Just because someone has more exclusives, doesn't necessarily mean that they are "better". This is a thing of preference... so it's hard to judge.
Sure, everyone is going to have their specific franchise that they love (ie Uncharted, Halo, Killzone, Gears of War, ect)... but let's look at some surprising exclusives for the consoles from the E3 conferences today

Xbox One>>>>>
Sunset Overdrive... This was the BIGGEST shock for me. Insomniac's next game is exclusive to Xbox One? WOW! Might have to be my most interested Xbox One new IP.
Ryse... Not sold, but color me intrigued. Doesn't seem to be a kinect only game anymore, which is a plus.
Killer Instinct... meh for me (but I'm sure "YAY!" for some)
Project Spark... Microsoft's answer to LittleBigPlanet. I could easily see this being much larger than LittleBIgPlanet, and I think everyone should keep an eye on it.
Deadrising 3... I was honestly very impressed with this, and also super surprised it's an exclusive. Looks like they might have got rid of all the crap I hated in the other 2.
Titanfall... Probably the biggest third party Exclusive so far this generation by far... there's a lot of pressure on Respawn's shoulders. "I" was fairly impressed. But only time will tell on how well it will do.

PS4>>>>>
Outlast... YAY!!! extremely happy to hear about this!
The Order 1886... I was extremely underwelmed with the trailer for this
The Dark Sorcerer... Graphics look AMAZING! BUT, I'd really like to see real gameplay.
Final Fantasy Verses (now 15)... I was upset with this. Final Fantasy is an RPG, not an action game. It does look quite epic, but I don't like this being a numbered inclusion to the Final Fantasy franchise.
Kingdom Hearts 3... I about had a heart attack from yelling, and jumping around when I heard this. For me, this announcement was EPIC!
Beyond Two Souls... ok... I know, I know... It's a PS3 game. But the more I see, the more I want this game! Looks mind blowingly good!

I know i said in the beginning about the about people's games... but I want to give a humble shout out to Killzone, and infamous... both looked amazing during E3.

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I would do looks.... But honestly, that's a perspective thing, so it's hard to rate with facts (personal opinion... I'd say PS4 by a hair). So...

Now the Biggy... Price

Price>>
Xbox One = $499
PS4 = $399

Obvious Winner = PS4

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WINNER IS>>>

Xbox One = 8
PS4 = 15

It just seems PS4 is the better console (so far) this generation. This is all based of what we know... But what actually happens, and what sells the most?
I guess that'll be left up to the consumers :-)
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Sources
http://n4g.com/news/1265772/editorial-why-the-ps4-is-50-more-powerful-than-xbox-one
http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/156273-xbox-720-vs-ps4-vs-pc-how-the-hardware-specs-compare
http://microsoft-news.com/microsoft-kinect-2-0-vs-sony-playstation-4-eye-spec-comparison/
http://www.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/List_of_Xbox_One_Games
http://www.ign.com/wikis/playstation-4/PlayStation_4_Games
http://majornelson.com/2013/06/06/details-on-xbox-one-connectivity-licensing-and-privacy-features/
http://www.techradar.com/us/news/gaming/consoles/sony-reveals-more-secrets-of-the-ps4-controller-1147221
http://reviews.cnet.com/game-accessories/microsoft-xbox-one-controller/4505-10110_7-35766150.html

K? all I see if bars, not even numbers, that's pretty lop sided at best. Reminds me of those dumbass Verizon ads, where they had tons of asinine charts and they asked "Real People" which chart was better and the people would say "Well that one cause the bar is higher!"

doesn't really help when there is no context at all whatsoever

Pic is obviously a little outdated, so here's some additional bits from PS4's side: