So basically anyone who spent years polishing their character and achieved perfection, but then took a short 2 month break, is now trash and not worthy of taking on runs?
Damn, talk about lack of value retention and equity decay - that is the equivalent of having your money invested with Lehman brothers and being an ENRON employee.
Delve Weapons Only
Delve weapons only
Yes, they're trash for a few horrible hours
Go away
Go away
Read what I said again i said "garbage weapons" if they have indeed perfected their char then they will have a 99 REM for that job and should be able to get into a group fairly quickly. The gap though atm between REMs and delve weapons is noticeable. A sam in my ls is doing quite a lot more now than he did with his masa. Ill point out that I did say people are either unlucky and should keep trying or just plain suck.
The lesson to take away from this isn't to adhere to the new system of progression, but instead to jump on this stuff the first week it comes out, spam it, get everything, then be an elitist and exclude those who came in a couple days later than you.
Then tell them they're only just barely adequate to farm points to buy the new l33t gearz, without mentioning they're still unworthy of getting the KI necessary to spend those points. Because their gear that was pretty much the same as yours when you got all your new stuff sucks, and can't possibly win at any of this.
Which, hey, you're more than welcome to do that, exclude away. But the rest of us are probably going to think you're a bit of a shortsighted jerk, ripe for ridicule like we did with anyone who required R/M/E for Pil.
Is this content easier to complete with your nifty new Delve weapon? Yes. Is it necessary to complete this content? No. Will it be necessary for future content? Possibly. Will it be rendered obsolete in a couple updates? Probably.
Then tell them they're only just barely adequate to farm points to buy the new l33t gearz, without mentioning they're still unworthy of getting the KI necessary to spend those points. Because their gear that was pretty much the same as yours when you got all your new stuff sucks, and can't possibly win at any of this.
Which, hey, you're more than welcome to do that, exclude away. But the rest of us are probably going to think you're a bit of a shortsighted jerk, ripe for ridicule like we did with anyone who required R/M/E for Pil.
Is this content easier to complete with your nifty new Delve weapon? Yes. Is it necessary to complete this content? No. Will it be necessary for future content? Possibly. Will it be rendered obsolete in a couple updates? Probably.
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Personally in Asura even though there are shouts that sometimes want a delve weapons they are usually the exception not the rule. From what I have seen most people if I they have filled the support jobs and most of the dds they don't really mind if a good geared player without a delve weapon joins in.
Cerberus.Detzu said: »
Some people are just proving their laziness when they think you get a relic by fish botting 24/7.
A good crafter could save 45 days of fishing in one day everyday.
If you're too lazy to craft that's your problem.
A good crafter could save 45 days of fishing in one day everyday.
If you're too lazy to craft that's your problem.
you sir win the biggest *** award, now go back to your crafting.
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Leviathan.Kaparu said: »
Yes, they're trash for a few horrible hours
Go away
Go away
Clearly Matsui knew what he was doing. A solid strategy worthy of your praise.
Forgive me if I place little stock in it.
Crawl back into your hole.
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Chyula said: »
Cerberus.Detzu said: »
Some people are just proving their laziness when they think you get a relic by fish botting 24/7.
A good crafter could save 45 days of fishing in one day everyday.
If you're too lazy to craft that's your problem.
A good crafter could save 45 days of fishing in one day everyday.
If you're too lazy to craft that's your problem.
you sir win the biggest *** award, now go back to your crafting.
1m a day fish botting for those who are botting in beaucedine, a relic was 120m it's 120 day for one char and you don't play game for 120 days.
Let's say you have 6 chars it's 20 days to get a relic. It's still slower than someone who has the right high level crafts with one char.
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Blazed1979 said: »
Leviathan.Kaparu said: »
Yes, they're trash for a few horrible hours
Go away
Go away
Clearly Matsui knew what he was doing. A solid strategy worthy of your praise.
Forgive me if I place little stock in it.
Crawl back into your hole.
I don't see how its fair to buff REM above delve weapons. A base delve weapon has the AH value of about 15 million in airlixer. I know lots of people who spent lots of time and money upgrading these weapons only to have 1 update make them gimp.... seriously wtf SE!
sorge74 said: »
Blazed1979 said: »
Leviathan.Kaparu said: »
Yes, they're trash for a few horrible hours
Go away
Go away
Clearly Matsui knew what he was doing. A solid strategy worthy of your praise.
Forgive me if I place little stock in it.
Crawl back into your hole.
I don't see how its fair to buff REM above delve weapons. A base delve weapon has the AH value of about 15 million in airlixer. I know lots of people who spent lots of time and money upgrading these weapons only to have 1 update make them gimp.... seriously wtf SE!
Phoenix.Innina said: »
sorge74 said: »
Blazed1979 said: »
Leviathan.Kaparu said: »
Yes, they're trash for a few horrible hours
Go away
Go away
Clearly Matsui knew what he was doing. A solid strategy worthy of your praise.
Forgive me if I place little stock in it.
Crawl back into your hole.
I don't see how its fair to buff REM above delve weapons. A base delve weapon has the AH value of about 15 million in airlixer. I know lots of people who spent lots of time and money upgrading these weapons only to have 1 update make them gimp.... seriously wtf SE!
Haubergeon at one point was worth 10 million, old gear replaced by new gear.
Poe's Law. Not sure if satirical or not :(
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Poe's Law. Not sure if satirical or not :(
Probably not.
sorge74 said: »
Blazed1979 said: »
Leviathan.Kaparu said: »
Yes, they're trash for a few horrible hours
Go away
Go away
Clearly Matsui knew what he was doing. A solid strategy worthy of your praise.
Forgive me if I place little stock in it.
Crawl back into your hole.
I don't see how its fair to buff REM above delve weapons. A base delve weapon has the AH value of about 15 million in airlixer. I know lots of people who spent lots of time and money upgrading these weapons only to have 1 update make them gimp.... seriously wtf SE!
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Cerberus.Detzu said: »
Chyula said: »
Cerberus.Detzu said: »
Some people are just proving their laziness when they think you get a relic by fish botting 24/7.
A good crafter could save 45 days of fishing in one day everyday.
If you're too lazy to craft that's your problem.
A good crafter could save 45 days of fishing in one day everyday.
If you're too lazy to craft that's your problem.
you sir win the biggest *** award, now go back to your crafting.
1m a day fish botting for those who are botting in beaucedine, a relic was 120m it's 120 day for one char and you don't play game for 120 days.
Let's say you have 6 chars it's 20 days to get a relic. It's still slower than someone who has the right high level crafts with one char.
keep smoking and go back to crafting and I don't know why the hell you bring up the speed of accumulating gil when that have nothing to do with my original post.
btw right now the fastest way of getting gil is plasm farm. 5k-8k+ will net you at least 650k/hr, I know its 45 mins event but for the sake of math for dummy I'll use the /hr unit. 100 runs of plasm farm will get you enough to buy a relic.
Odin.Creaucent said: »
Those that dont have the KIs now either just suck or unlucky.
Or maybe their playtime has been limited? Does that fall under "suck" or "unlucky?"
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It's interesting because they created systems where people can get up to speed fairly quickly, but it's apparently still not quick enough. Before Adoulin you could make up for years of not playing in a matter of weeks. Now if you're a week behind, you're screwed. I'm not sure how sustainable that's going to be going forward.
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Fenrir.Camiie said: »
It's interesting because they created systems where people can get up to speed fairly quickly, but it's apparently still not quick enough. Before Adoulin you could make up for years of not playing in a matter of weeks. Now if you're a week behind, you're screwed. I'm not sure how sustainable that's going to be going forward.
I don't think they intended for it to change that much, to be honest. It seems they expected people to do Reives/Skirmish with Delve around, and those things would be the catch-up mechanisms. However, the gap between the two tiers of content is so huge that Reives have become far less popular, and Skirmish seems to be done by only a minority of folks (at least on Ragnarok).
Players that are already prepared for Delve have no reason to do the previous content, which means the pool of players that do that content has shrunk, making it more difficult for people to participate that *aren't* at Delve level yet. For those that aren't ready for Delve, if they're lucky, they can bypass the previous content entirely by getting a few lucky clears (or leveling a support job or having friends, etc).
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Fenrir.Camiie said: »
It's interesting because they created systems where people can get up to speed fairly quickly, but it's apparently still not quick enough. Before Adoulin you could make up for years of not playing in a matter of weeks. Now if you're a week behind, you're screwed. I'm not sure how sustainable that's going to be going forward.
K, this thread in general is a hot mess with a staggering amount of misinformation and emotional charge. But one quick check against the bolded potion only:
It is not the case that all shouts require delve weapons only all the time. Can confirm this with a quick check on the shout tab on this site for any server at any given time (though I suggest getting a good sample size of checks).
The idea that there is suddenly a great divide between delve haves and have-nots which is impossible to cross is an illusion.
Ragnarok.Eriina said: »
Fenrir.Camiie said: »
It's interesting because they created systems where people can get up to speed fairly quickly, but it's apparently still not quick enough. Before Adoulin you could make up for years of not playing in a matter of weeks. Now if you're a week behind, you're screwed. I'm not sure how sustainable that's going to be going forward.
K, this thread in general is a hot mess with a staggering amount of misinformation and emotional charge. But one quick check against the bolded potion only:
It is not the case that all shouts require delve weapons only all the time. Can confirm this with a quick check on the shout tab on this site for any server at any given time (though I suggest getting a good sample size of checks).
The idea that there is suddenly a great divide between delve haves and have-nots which is impossible to cross is an illusion.
Shouts can be deceptive, to be fair. Not all shouts advertise that they're checking weapons upfront.
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Also, people may be having a hard time even getting the KIs, much less farming plasm, when it seems like the vast majority of people are only interested in killing the nm once themselves. Kind of the LB-10 scenario, only instead of needing to find a few people for about 10 minutes total, you need several people for much longer.
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Fenrir.Terminus said: »
Also, people may be having a hard time even getting the KIs, much less farming plasm, when it seems like the vast majority of people are only interested in killing the nm once themselves. Kind of the LB-10 scenario, only instead of needing to find a few people for about 10 minutes total, you need several people for much longer.
That's definitely contributing, too. The drop rates on the NMs themselves seem too low to justify doing any of them more than once (and I can't really blame anybody for that).
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Fenrir.Terminus said: »
Kind of the LB-10 scenario
You're making my case. Getting to lvl 99 is a finite problem and the grand majority of players have completed this event even w/o incentive for others to repeat it. Everyone in this discussion who cannot clear LB10 and move on raise your hand. **
The same could be said for VW city clears. Lots of players wouldn't join those or set those up because they are finished but those shouts do still occur.
To reiterate my point: anyone who says shouts which will include non-delve weapons do not exist can be evidenced to be wrong. This weakens the catch-22 complaint significantly.
**(spoilered for tangent)
Ragnarok.Eriina said: »
Fenrir.Terminus said: »
Kind of the LB-10 scenario
You're making my case. Getting to lvl 99 is a finite problem and the grand majority of players have completed this event even w/o incentive for others to repeat it. Everyone in this discussion who cannot clear LB10 and move on raise your hand. **
The same could be said for VW city clears. Lots of players wouldn't join those or set those up because they are finished but those shouts do still occur.
To reiterate my point: anyone who says shouts which will include non-delve weapons do not exist can be evidenced to be wrong. This weakens the catch-22 complaint significantly.
**(spoilered for tangent)
It took me something like 2 weeks of shouting to get enough people for my LB10. ; ;
Ragnarok.Alahra said: »
It took me something like 2 weeks of shouting to get enough people for my LB10. ; ;
So you did finish it then? That's awesome^^
I have every confidence that you and other players will finish your 6/6 KI as well.
Ragnarok.Eriina said: »
Ragnarok.Alahra said: »
It took me something like 2 weeks of shouting to get enough people for my LB10. ; ;
So you did finish it then? That's awesome^^
I have every confidence that you and other players will finish your 6/6 KI as well.
The question is mainly how long it's going to take--I've been trying to gear a new job for a little while now, since Ninja doesn't have much use in Adoulin. I still need a weapon to be able to reliably do Delve, and I have two options: Skirmish and Wildskeepers (or 99 a REM, I suppose). Both Skirmish and Reives are have low or nearly non-existent participation on my server, making both avenues of progression quite slow.
Compared to the speed at which I could get equipment from Delve, if I had the KIs, it's actually nothing but ridiculous, since the time investment for Delve is less and the rewards are far greater. There's a serious imbalance in that regard.
It's taking long enough that I'm finding myself incredibly frustrated with my general lack of progression, and it's making the game feel like a chore, rather than something I enjoy.
Siren.Knivesz said: »
sorge74 said: »
Blazed1979 said: »
Leviathan.Kaparu said: »
Yes, they're trash for a few horrible hours
Go away
Go away
Clearly Matsui knew what he was doing. A solid strategy worthy of your praise.
Forgive me if I place little stock in it.
Crawl back into your hole.
I don't see how its fair to buff REM above delve weapons. A base delve weapon has the AH value of about 15 million in airlixer. I know lots of people who spent lots of time and money upgrading these weapons only to have 1 update make them gimp.... seriously wtf SE!
Of course I'm joking. I really do think SE should have rethought this strategy and had buffs in hand for REM from the start. I was able to get KIs and 2 delve weapons with mostly lvl99 relics in groups as well as some low lvl emps. Hell my last run tonight we had a soboro pearl samurai, BUT he was in LS. We did terrible but still got 10% of the points to an uber weapons.
But in my mind they should buff all REM lvls from 85-99 by 20-40 DMG and call it a day. Make that lvl85 masamune be 137 DMG and so on. REM have many more bonuses then just DMG rating
Edit: and I should add on the weekends I've lead delve groups, and in my shouts I say new players are welcomed. When we are half full people can invite thier friends and I don't care who their friends are. The only real problem is it is very hard to find or replace an excellent paladin, and if your paladin is an elitist it causes a lot of stress with new players.
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A lot of this can be solved by joining a linkshell that is large, active, and helps its members. Unfortunately a lot of big linkshells took a beating once abyssea came out and people realized they could low man good stuff and be happy. 2-3 people got together and we're stoked about their level 85 kannagi or almace.
We have had many members come back with the dawn of SoA, many came back at level 75. They have had no issues getting LB10 because they didn't need to shout for it, we we're willing to go do it for them. Same goes for VW, we've gone back numerous times as a linkshell to get clears for a small handful of people.
Sure, some big linkshells suck. And lots of people feel they have had bad experiences, even with the linkshell I am in, that I have been for many years. But this is an mmo, if you find a large group of cool people you can get stuff done a lot easier than sitting in Port Jueno clinging to your 85 empy waiting for your one friend you duo stuff with to sign on.
I know another linkshell I used to be in is going thru and getting clears for his members, and shouting for the jobs/slots they are missing. The linkshell wasn't for me, but the leader was a cool guy, and he's getting stuff done - I'm sure he's not excluding any of his members.
Sorry if this seems like a personal attack, but there are just as many anti-social people on this game as are social. And the ones who are anti-social or not team players seem to often be the ones without the gear. Good luck on your endeavors and wish you best.
We have had many members come back with the dawn of SoA, many came back at level 75. They have had no issues getting LB10 because they didn't need to shout for it, we we're willing to go do it for them. Same goes for VW, we've gone back numerous times as a linkshell to get clears for a small handful of people.
Sure, some big linkshells suck. And lots of people feel they have had bad experiences, even with the linkshell I am in, that I have been for many years. But this is an mmo, if you find a large group of cool people you can get stuff done a lot easier than sitting in Port Jueno clinging to your 85 empy waiting for your one friend you duo stuff with to sign on.
I know another linkshell I used to be in is going thru and getting clears for his members, and shouting for the jobs/slots they are missing. The linkshell wasn't for me, but the leader was a cool guy, and he's getting stuff done - I'm sure he's not excluding any of his members.
Sorry if this seems like a personal attack, but there are just as many anti-social people on this game as are social. And the ones who are anti-social or not team players seem to often be the ones without the gear. Good luck on your endeavors and wish you best.
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