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By Asura.Kitsia 2018-10-07 11:39:05
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Is that with capped attack and uncapped?
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-10-07 12:30:42
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Ishvara is (always) going to beat (any) attack+ earring, Mache+1 is (probably always) going to beat (any) attack+ earring, but it will be pretty close.

(Is tati+1 still the best attack earring lol, that's what I compared it to)

A Kuwunga Earring actually would beat mache+1, if you had madrigal on... with uncapped attack
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By Sneakyman 2018-10-11 22:10:58
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Sup. If you are having terrible luck getting a good pair of samnuha tights what is the next best option for tp? The guide says meghanada +2 pants but pillager's culottes +3 look pretty good unless there is something else? Herculean? can get some extra store tp on em. Also how close are dedition and telos earring? Thanks.
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By Siren.Kyte 2018-10-11 22:19:10
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Pill. Culottes +3 are quite good, and should you need the accuracy and/or additional defensive stats, are better than Samnoha.
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By Boshi 2018-10-11 22:22:33
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af+3 might win anyways if you're not using vahjra, very good piece.

also great defensive stats like kyte mentioned
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By Siren.Kyte 2018-10-11 22:54:14
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I have seen them win on the spreadsheet even on fodder with Aeneas, though I don't 100% trust that result.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-10-11 23:06:29
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The reason you see that (and it's very small) is dropping Double Attack for more Triple Attack and Crit damage.

Triple attack damage + has become more important since anyone really ran numbers
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By Siren.Kyte 2018-10-11 23:16:59
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I fully understand why I see it.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-10-11 23:29:46
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Then whats not to trust. If you trust the numbers w/ tights you should equally trust w/ af3.

Just numbers, they're both right, or both wrong.
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By Siren.Kyte 2018-10-11 23:39:47
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Saying "it wins because there's a difference in stats" is not particularly insightful.

I don't fully trust it because the spreadsheets tend to overvalue TP phase damage a little bit, and given that the difference is quite small in favor of the item that would tend to increase white damage more than the other, there's reason to think the ordinal result may be incorrect when considering Aeneas main/Twashtar offhand.

On the flipside, I do also think that no matter what, you're not really doing yourself a disservice by saying *** it and just fulltiming them for TP, partly due to the defensive difference.
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By Boshi 2018-10-11 23:49:17
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2018-10-12 02:05:17
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Siren.Kyte said: »
I don't fully trust it because the spreadsheets tend to overvalue TP phase damage a little bit

This is interesting. I don't know specifically how these spreadsheets work but I would think it would be the opposite. In that you can make a spreadsheet assume perfect WS frequency, even when that's not always how things play out in the game. So I would think spreadsheets would undervalue TP phase damage. But I'm interested in learning how the spreadsheets could be messing this up.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-10-12 04:37:53
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The spreadsheet overvalues everything. It's not just white damage. It just wasn't worth debating.

It's never even close to actual in game values, and I run it VERY conservative.

The specific point of contention (for this) is over-tp rounds. It's set to assume you are human, and you will not tp perfectly. aka; too many white damage swings. (but you can adjust that) ((it still won't be perfect))

If you leave the base settings to .5 over rounds, AF3 > Samnuha by ~9 DPS

If you set it to 0 overtp rounds, Samnhua > AF3 by 3 dps

Those are both close enough to say they're exactly identical dps tbqh
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By Sneakyman 2018-10-12 11:01:18
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Interesting. Thanks fer the replies. :)
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-10-27 07:52:44
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*confused but laughing*
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By geigei 2018-10-27 07:55:31
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Shiva.Phioness said: »
luv ta see ya meet a 225 lb marine who's done 4 years in Corps and 6 in prison
I would make you scream like a little girl.
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By Vishwambhari 2018-10-27 07:57:47
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Shiva.Phioness said: »
Lady of Honor and Eiryl:

The last one already sold for 90m under what I paid, and it went from 2 on AH to 3 on AH AFTER that sale. The good thing is once my alts bazaar sells out I'm out of debt, and I really don't need gil for much after Gandring sells so it's kind of whatever.

LOLZ this is the same lousy trick-c%%t who complained about people buying up her supposed (I'm the best thief on my server therefor i deserve the REM currency *** <shiva server which ya quit>) I love all ya high-n-mighty-c%^nts who believe you 'know' the most thrive on the better-then-thou attitudes ... glad to see ya make a mistake and cover it up with holy-failed-commercialism... ya fookin lost.

And Eiryl get stabbed ya ***, for being a duplicitous c$%t, you talk all fkn high and mighty, luv ta see ya meet a 225 lb marine who's done 4 years in Corps and 6 in prison. Your all fkn high and mighty on these forums, but IRL, I'd make ya my lil biznitch ya fkn ***, considering how much the admin let ya getting away with being an arrogant condescending punk you got them in your fkn pocket.
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I loved this.
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2018-10-27 07:58:40
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Shiva.Phioness said: »
Lady of Honor and Eiryl:

The last one already sold for 90m under what I paid, and it went from 2 on AH to 3 on AH AFTER that sale. The good thing is once my alts bazaar sells out I'm out of debt, and I really don't need gil for much after Gandring sells so it's kind of whatever.

LOLZ this is the same lousy trick-c%%t who complained about people buying up her supposed (I'm the best thief on my server therefor i deserve the REM currency *** <shiva server which ya quit>) I love all ya high-n-mighty-c%^nts who believe you 'know' the most thrive on the better-then-thou attitudes ... glad to see ya make a mistake and cover it up with holy-failed-commercialism... ya fookin lost.

And Eiryl get stabbed ya ***, for being a duplicitous c$%t, you talk all fkn high and mighty, luv ta see ya meet a 225 lb marine who's done 4 years in Corps and 6 in prison. Your all fkn high and mighty on these forums, but IRL, I'd make ya my lil biznitch ya fkn ***, considering how much the admin let ya getting away with being an arrogant condescending punk you got them in your fkn pocket.

This is rather amazing. You're bringing this up out of nowhere, you're bringing up things from 2005, AND you're not even properly remembering those things from 2005, lol. I never said I "deserved" all the currency from Dynamis, I said two different things:

1) It makes more sense for LS sponsorship to finish one weapon so that it can help farm more currency going forward, i.e. since we had 3 main Dynamis sponsors it would make sense to finish one of them so that the weapon would allow the other two to complete faster, which makes it so all 3 weapons are built quicker that way.

2) Relic staff is a waste of currency, don't be a *** idiot Tahn.

BTW, my Gandring is rank 25, I use it for things, and I'm already sitting on plenty of gil for whenever I feel like buying some more +2 necks. While you're here salty about things from 2005, rofl.
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By Boshi 2018-10-27 08:20:50
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Shiva.Phioness said: »
kn high and mighty, luv ta see ya meet a 225 lb marine who's done 4 years in Corps and 6 in prison.

What boulevard of broken dreams did you stumble down that made that sharp 180 turn happen.

Non-upset of the century is this 225lb guy playing a mithra.
We got a guy in our ls that would love to meat you, where you at Darkiori. He likes his bears.
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By DirectX 2018-10-27 10:26:14
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Asura.Ladyofhonor said: »
1) It makes more sense for LS sponsorship to finish one weapon so that it can help farm more currency going forward, i.e. since we had 3 main Dynamis sponsors it would make sense to finish one of them so that the weapon would allow the other two to complete faster, which makes it so all 3 weapons are built quicker that way.
You convinced your LS that by finishing a Mandau their successive relics would be farmed noticeably faster?
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By Valefor.Yandaime 2018-10-27 10:36:00
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so let me get this straight...

That rant came literally from nowhere?
No provocation what so ever?

Did he wake up from a coma or something? O.o;
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By Afania 2018-10-27 10:44:22
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DirectX said: »
Asura.Ladyofhonor said: »
1) It makes more sense for LS sponsorship to finish one weapon so that it can help farm more currency going forward, i.e. since we had 3 main Dynamis sponsors it would make sense to finish one of them so that the weapon would allow the other two to complete faster, which makes it so all 3 weapons are built quicker that way.
You convinced your LS that by finishing a Mandau their successive relics would be farmed noticeably faster?

A ls leader do it right would equally distribute all currency, lol. Too many "I got my stuff and quit" "I dont get stuff" drama in ffxi.

Valefor.Yandaime said: »
so let me get this straight...

That rant came literally from nowhere?
No provocation what so ever?

Did he wake up from a coma or something? O.o;


The rant is confused as hell lol. Eiryl is far from "high and mighty" from what I've read. More like cynical from complete opposite way, like an old man dwelling in his shack on a tropical island.....D:
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By Boshi 2018-10-27 11:10:41
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To be fair I think they're referring to back in 2005 and only 3 ppl were paying the (then expensive) entry fee
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2018-10-27 15:49:46
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DirectX said: »
Asura.Ladyofhonor said: »
1) It makes more sense for LS sponsorship to finish one weapon so that it can help farm more currency going forward, i.e. since we had 3 main Dynamis sponsors it would make sense to finish one of them so that the weapon would allow the other two to complete faster, which makes it so all 3 weapons are built quicker that way.
You convinced your LS that by finishing a Mandau their successive relics would be farmed noticeably faster?

No, and I wasn't specific about which relic to finish, either. We had a NIN and 2 THF that were trading sponsorship for runs. My argument was simply one of us finishing would be better than all of us taking over a year to finish at the rate we were going. Eventually we all just took over a year, lol. I don't remember this being a major point of contention, so I'm surprised someone I don't remember even knows of it.

Boshi said: »
To be fair I think they're referring to back in 2005 and only 3 ppl were paying the (then expensive) entry fee

This is correct. The main LS I had at that time had 3 regular Dynamis sponsors, so whoever paid the 1mil got all the currency from that run. You would /random for who got to sponsor the next run with you being unable to sponsor two runs in a row.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-10-27 15:52:16
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You'd be surprised how long panties can stay bunched up

Far as that "scenario" it would've been a perfectly logical reason to stop alternating sponsorship, that's just silly. Finishing one (back then) would've been a large time increase to successive relics. but never try to talk logic with an ffxi player. It's easier to convince a brick wall to fall down with your forehead as the primary method of communication.
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By Foxfire 2018-10-27 15:54:15
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2018-10-27 15:59:59
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
You'd be surprised how long panties can stay bunched up

Far as that "scenario" it would've been a perfectly logical reason to stop alternating sponsorship, that's just silly. Finishing one (back then) would've been a large time increase to successive relics. but never try to talk logic with an ffxi player. It's easier to convince a brick wall to fall down with your forehead as the primary method of communication.

In the end it's likely for the best they didn't do it because the relic curse was a real thing. I remember helping the NIN finish his, and he stuck around to finish mine, but I think we both quit rather shortly after. Granted I quit because WotG was pretty trash and was already getting bored with the game, but finishing the relic may have impacted that.
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By DirectX 2018-10-27 16:34:18
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
Finishing one (back then) would've been a large time increase to successive relics.
Are we talking about the speed increase farming here from having a relic or am I misunderstanding this? A relic dagger or katana surely would have added little to kill speed in an alliance.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-10-27 16:41:23
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If you used THF the wrong way, yeah.

Mandau THF doesn't pull anymore, you get someone else to do that so you DD. We're talking a completely different era here. Mandau THF was bananas.
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