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 Cerberus.Shadowmeld
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2018-09-18 13:59:35
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Justuas said: »
devasbismarck said: »
which augs are best for a ws jse cape the DA or WSD? Also how do you value modifiers like vit and str vs WSD %?
Follow-up question specifically for Ukko's Fury cape. What augments for that?

Depends on the WS you're talking about.

Resolution: 30 STR 20 acc/atk 10 DA
Upheaval: 30 VIT 20 acc/atk 10 DA
Upheaval over 2000TP: 30 VIT 20 acc/atk 10 WSD
King's Justice: Same as Reso
King's Justice over 2000TP: 30 STR 20 acc/atk 10 WSD
Ukko's: Same as Reso, or possibly 10 Crit rate.
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By devasbismarck 2018-09-18 14:27:22
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Ok why the swap to WSD if its over 200tp?
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2018-09-18 14:41:42
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Both upheaval and King's Justice have scaling damage from TP on the first hit of the WS. 2000 is about where the scaling damage on the first hit starts to be more than the additional hits on the WS, so you switch to WSD at that point.
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By devasbismarck 2018-09-19 10:36:34
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Was anyone able to quantify on the above Str / Vit mods into a 1 vit = 100 dam type calculation for example? I want to get a gospel x str / vit = damage as well as WSD X% or close enough i know things arent always so simple.
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By SimonSes 2018-09-19 10:41:32
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You might want to hold your horses guys. All that might change with WSD working for all hits of the weaponskill. Upheaval might possibly have one best set now, without looking at TP.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2018-09-19 10:45:23
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Should go out and try WSD capes with Resolution. Not that it needed a buff, but lol if it gets it. Gonna be pretty insane if you can get +60%~ wsd on 5 hits of a weapon skill....
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By Sockfoot 2018-09-19 10:56:40
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Pretty sure they are just talking about the Chango WS specific WSD, not generic WSD. Unless I missed something in the last few days...

Edit: seeing other mentions of this, interesting. Bug? Feature?
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By Nariont 2018-09-19 11:01:16
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Obvious bug, enjoy it while it lasts
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By SimonSes 2018-09-19 11:01:17
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Sockfoot said: »
Pretty sure they are just talking about the Chango WS specific WSD, not generic WSD. Unless I missed something in the last few days...

Edit: seeing other mentions of this, interesting. Bug? Feature?

That's the thing with SE.. we dont know. It wasnt mentioned in patch notes and it's a huge change. It will completely change bis sets for many WSs, but it would suck to start regearing and get slapped with the fix few months later.
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2018-09-19 11:19:51
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
Should go out and try WSD capes with Resolution. Not that it needed a buff, but lol if it gets it. Gonna be pretty insane if you can get +60%~ wsd on 5 hits of a weapon skill....

that has replicating ftp ....
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By geigei 2018-09-19 11:24:32
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Just a quick test on apex bat, buffs were haste2+hasso, debuff dia3.

Montante+1 with regular reso cape: avg=7673, max=10200
VIT upheaval cape: avg=8817, max=10609

Chango upheaval : avg=11583, max=15907
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By SimonSes 2018-09-19 12:07:16
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Cerberus.Shadowmeld said: »
Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
Should go out and try WSD capes with Resolution. Not that it needed a buff, but lol if it gets it. Gonna be pretty insane if you can get +60%~ wsd on 5 hits of a weapon skill....

that has replicating ftp ....

So? So far WSD in gear only worked for first hit of WS. Doesn't matter if replicated fTP or not. Resolution was getting WSD bonus only on first hit too.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2018-09-19 12:12:06
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I think he was saying that resolution is even better now because of that fact, in addition to the possible WSD activating on all hits.
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2018-09-19 12:13:55
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
I think he was saying that resolution is even better now because of that fact, in addition to the possible WSD activating on all hits.
This ^^
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2018-09-19 12:29:54
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If WSD works on all hits, it makes multihit WS that have damage scaling with TP and ftp transfer incredibly powerful. Resolution is the poster child for that. Not accounting for extra hits, resolution at 3000 TP would get 2.5 ftp x 1.60 WSD. Basically, 4 ftp per hit. That's 20.

Upheaval still only gets 1.6 ftp per hit on every one after the first. Thats 10.4 + (1.6 x 3) = 15.2.

Every extra DA/TA/QA would favor Reso by a significant margin.

Edit: This is ignoring Fotia Items.
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By Shiva.Applesmash 2018-09-19 12:54:24
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Just noticed Pumm. Lorica+3, Agoge Calligae +3 and Cichol's Mantle Berserk's duration do not stack(only getting the 30s from the feet), never actually looked closely before but is this working as intended or is it a bug? Reikiono and Calligaes do stack tho.
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2018-09-19 12:59:50
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Shiva.Applesmash said: »
Just noticed Pumm. Lorica+3, Agoge Calligae +3 and Cichol's Mantle Berserk's duration do not stack(only getting the 30s from the feet), never actually looked closely before but is this working as intended or is it a bug? Reikiono and Calligaes do stack tho.

Are you basing this off of the timers plugin? Timers still hasn't been updated for Relic +2/3 yet.

I only have Agoge +1 feet, and they seem to stack just fine with Body and Cape and Vinipata Sword. With the sword my recast is right at my duration.
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By Shiva.Applesmash 2018-09-19 13:09:08
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Oh right, oops. My bad
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By Valefor.Yandaime 2018-09-19 13:13:17
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Wait, are you guys are saying SE fcked up and WSD seems to be applying to all hits of all WS right now? Anyone able to test this?

If so, that’s definitely something to enjoy before they fix it.
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2018-09-19 13:17:19
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It may be the case.

I haven't actually seen any testing except for some very limited stuff with Insurgency (4-hit Scythe WS)
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By Sylph.Cherche 2018-09-19 13:20:05
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If it is a thing:

After real quick and dirty math (work soon) I've got Augmented Conqueror King's Justice pulling ahead of Montante +1 Resolution in balls to the wall WSD sets.

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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-09-19 13:20:17
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They're trying but failing.

I don't have any WSD augged herc, or I would've been done testing this an hour ago.
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2018-09-19 13:25:59
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Are you adjusting base ftp from Moonshade or something?

Why is Resolution only averaging .86 extra attacks per WS but King's Justice is averaging 1.74?
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By Sylph.Cherche 2018-09-19 13:48:29
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Yes moonshade. Mythic AM3 applies to weaponskills, with that same stipulation that it can only proc on the first two hits.

All out wsdmg set has next to no multi attack. Except the TA+5 on montante +1.

Also, base damage should be 17/10 higher, respectively. I forgot 20 str in the set.
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2018-09-19 13:51:23
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Sylph.Cherche said: »
Mythic AM3 applies to weaponskills, with that same stipulation that it can only proc on the first two hits.

I never knew that. I thought OAT stuff was TP phase only...
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2018-09-19 13:53:44
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Sylph.Cherche said: »
Yes moonshade. Mythic AM3 applies to weaponskills, with that same stipulation that it can only proc on the first two hits.

All out wsdmg set has next to no multi attack. Except the TA+5 on montante +1.

Also, base damage should be 17/10 higher, respectively. I forgot 20 str in the set.
Sadly, Mythic AM3 can only proc once on WS.
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By Sylph.Cherche 2018-09-19 14:21:09
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That's disappointing. Welp, rip conqueror memes.
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2018-09-19 14:31:18
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Hey, at least it can proc. It's the only source of OAX that works on WS at all.
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By Asura.Saevel 2018-09-19 16:37:16
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It should be very VERY easy to see if this is the case with Resolution on an attack capped apex mob.

Hmm not conclusive, but me and some LS mates messing with Apex Toads and the "WSD" set doing higher then it should for Resolution. 77K damage @3K in a set with 48% WSD and using Montante +1. Max damage should of been around 55K (with WSD on the first hit). So yeah something ... interesting is happening.
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By Valefor.Yandaime 2018-09-20 00:29:21
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Asura.Saevel said: »
It should be very VERY easy to see if this is the case with Resolution on an attack capped apex mob.

Hmm not conclusive, but me and some LS mates messing with Apex Toads and the "WSD" set doing higher then it should for Resolution. 77K damage @3K in a set with 48% WSD and using Montante +1. Max damage should of been around 55K (with WSD on the first hit). So yeah something ... interesting is happening.

God damnit, after all of us expended all that energy discussing WS sets, SE goes and breaks the game..

*Throws Chair*

Lol
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