Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
There aint nothing aggressive about this discussion, stop da feels and let them air it out. They are adults.
There is nothing wrong with taking an argument to DMs.
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: » There aint nothing aggressive about this discussion, stop da feels and let them air it out. They are adults. There is nothing wrong with taking an argument to DMs. It's less an argument more a debate on mathematics pertaining to BLU in the BLU thread, I don't see the problem.
Someone just coming back to the game will get all of the information they need from the OP. Spreadsheeting and theorycrafting is for us sweaty minmaxers and have a place in the discussion. These guide threads aren't only made for new and returning players, they're general discussion hubs for the jobs in general.
A new or returning player should read the guide. If they have further questions about the content of the guide they can ask it. If they're asking questions that are clearly answered in the guide then I don't have much sympathy when they're given an answer that they don't like. The entire point of the original format guides that myself and sylow created were to offer a large range of possible gearsets for people of varying wealth and playtime levels while providing the basic to intermediate information that you need to play the job. It's all in there. If Austar is giving people non satisfactory answers to a basic question, it's because it can be assumed that the answer to that question is already available. Offline
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I love theorycrafting, debating and heated arguments about numbers but the argument was just needlessly circular with Austar being very clearly frustrated with Simon. There were a few quips that made it seem unproductive and they didn't seem to be seeking a solution but rather trying to discredit simon. This is why in my post asking them to take it to DMs, I also offered a potential solution.
In hindsight, the overall discussion wasn't really that bad but I still think the problem could have been solved quicker with better communication. If there's anything I've learned over nearly a decade and a half of ffxi forum discussions it's that almost nothing is ever solved in a completely productive way so sadly that just comes with the territory.
Feels like this line gets used to much lately but that's certainly A take.
Just because it's the way something is doesn't mean it's the way it should be, nor that it should just be the norm because that's the way it's always been. Good luck trying to get humans on the internet to not push back when their personal ideas and things they accept as fact are challenged. You're just as guilty of this as anyone else on this board.
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Odin.Sudra said: » Not everyone cares about RPing odyssey gear for 30 runs that you have to fight a specific mob for to even get the RP. And people that haven’t played for 3-4 years aren’t even going to know what odyssey is. Telling them to make gear sets with that gear is dumb. You dont really need to RP Gleti's at all to make it work as WS set, R0 is still bis for most thing that R20 is bis. Only body get significant augment for WS like CDC (7%DA). Otherwise its mostly attack and some acc. Now unaugmented Odyssey Gaol sets are probably one of the easiest to get BIS sets in game. Outside of 40+ days wall for freshly created character, all you need to do is sneak/invi in A,B and C and then join some pug or pay someone to merc you Gaol clear. Then every piece cost 6M, which is one of the lowest prices that I remember for bis piece for one of the 5 main slots. There is also no SU requirements at all. SimonSes said: » There is also no SU requirements at all. This is probably the biggest thing that surprises me. Best in class gear sets almost across the board with such tiny requirements. If I were a foil hat wearer I'd say these sets are a soft reset for power creep to prepare for something big coming in the future. Siren.Kyte
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: » Endlesscc said: » Ramuh.Austar said: » Worth is subjective and Tizona is the more useful weapon regardless of DPS which doesn't matter as much as people like to pretend anyways. Yea i think the unlimited MP is very handy when soloing. Sometimes I wonder if i should really work on Tizona or should get RMEA for another job now that I have the almace... Man, make a goddamn Tizona. I waited years because I said "I will never make a mythic, fk that process" and was lowkey galka jelly every time someone came on here bragging about how good it was. I decided to make one at the beginning of last year and its an absolute game-changer for BLU. You will.not.regret.making.this.weapon. It is so damn fun, versatile, and just feels "right" as the sword BLU should always wield. Make one and come back in a month and tell me if everything I stated above isn't true. My blue was much better with an Almace and I am sure I will agree with you but it probably won't be one month could be a couple but first tonight I am gonna finish ToAU mission then off I go Mythic lol eliroo said: » Austar being very clearly frustrated with Simon. There were a few quips that made it seem unproductive and they didn't seem to be seeking a solution but rather trying to discredit simon. Offline
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Cool down man and stop talking with emotions. My numbers stay consistent (less than 1% differences might happen because of rounding) through whole discussion and I gave you all details you asked for as fast as possible. You keep referencing some past discussions as argument, which is as irrelevant as last year snow. I have 0 problems with my ego too. When I make mistake I have no problem to admit it and apologize for it and and be grateful to person who pointed that mistake to me (like it was with the Mandau for example). So again calm down and stop trying to make this personal by throwing some poor accusations on me.
Your numbers do not stay consistent. I'm not referencing past discussions as an argument, I'm referencing them as my reason for the frustration with dealing with you. The first and only copy you sent me didn't even have buffs equal, favoring your Tizona. You are conveniently saying you're not counting TP gain speed, which makes no sense since you just take all your answers from the spreadsheet where that is easily available. Which, by the way, was only a quarter of a second faster than the Almace setup you had. You rarely apologize and admit the mistake unless it's so glaringly obvious. The mandau one should have been so obvious that you checked everything, but you were too concerned with being the first one to put out information. You're so concerned with your ego you even requested I don't post a link (which I would only do to share my results) so you could be the one getting credit for editing it. So if you give me a link to the setup where it's winning instead of just posting numbers after giving me a setup where it was losing, then I will have no problem discussing it with you and we can find the difference.
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Ramuh.Austar said: » Your numbers do not stay consistent. I'm not referencing past discussions as an argument, I'm referencing them as my reason for the frustration with dealing with you. The first and only copy you sent me didn't even have buffs equal, favoring your Tizona. I gave you link to sheet im using non stop. I told you MANY times before that I havent stopped using it so you can look into it. You probably opened it when I was checking something and you expected it being set to what I was talking 24hours before I gave you link. You just assumed wrong. Ramuh.Austar said: » You are conveniently saying you're not counting TP gain speed, which makes no sense since you just take all your answers from the spreadsheet where that is easily available. I used numbers from sheet to calculate WS frequency and GAVE YOU RESULT Quote: So Tizona having marginally more damage in total cycle and having slightly higher WS frequency. Quote: My sheet shows ~3% lead for Req>Exp With Tizona/Thibron over cdc>cdc Almace/Zan if you assume 14k Requiescat. That 3% is based exactly on that quarter of seconds faster. 389+120+389+120=1018 406+120+406+120=1052 1052/1018= ~1.033 ~3% advantage Please stops saying Im not using sheet or calculating WS, because thats a LIE. Ramuh.Austar said: » You rarely apologize and admit the mistake unless it's so glaringly obvious. Thats a total *** and I can find several smaller cases in past few months, but Im not gonna bother because Im slowly loosing all the respect I had to you, since you really cant stop trying to keep attacking me personally and thats sad. Ramuh.Austar said: » You're so concerned with your ego you even requested I don't post a link (which I would only do to share my results) so you could be the one getting credit for editing it. I asked you to not share it because I want to clean it first (like cleaning up names of items and put some descriptions for stuff I added, which might be not obvious for everyone) and I wrote exactly that in PM to you. Its not about getting credit. I helped someone on this forum with several sheets and never even thought about getting any credit for that, because I dont give a ***. I just wanted it to look better if Im the one releasing it. Like I said I only get credit for what I do from scratch. Its another personal attack, which again I thought you are better than that. Ramuh.Austar said: » So if you give me a link to the setup where it's winning instead of just posting numbers after giving me a setup where it was losing, then I will have no problem discussing it with you and we can find the difference. Once again you completely misunderstood me. You think Im giving you link to snapshot of settings for our discussion, while I gave you link to sheet Im using several times per day. You was suppose to set it yourself using details I gave you in first post. Its funny what you did in this post. You basically slap me in the face (or spit in my face) twice and in last paragraph you suggest we can still discuss it if I set a sheet for you and send you link again. Its funny you mentioned ego so much. You are blocked. God, this is why I am glad I don’t bother looking at those spreadsheets lol.
SimonSes said: » I gave you link to sheet im using non stop SimonSes said: » That 3% is based exactly on that quarter of seconds faster. 389+120+389+120=1018 406+120+406+120=1052 1052/1018= ~1.033 ~3% advantage Please stops saying Im not using sheet or calculating WS, because thats a LIE. SimonSes said: » I asked you to not share it because I want to clean it first (like cleaning up names of items and put some descriptions for stuff I added, which might be not obvious for everyone) and I wrote exactly that in PM to you. Its not about getting credit. SimonSes said: » You was suppose to set it yourself using details I gave you in first post. Shiva.Xelltrix said: » this is why I am glad I don’t bother looking at those spreadsheets lol. Shiva.Xelltrix said: » God, this is why I am glad I don’t bother looking at those spreadsheets lol. Issue I always had with using my own simulations and models always boiled down to screeching about it not being one of Mote'a old sheets and thus couldn't be trusted. I have to assume that every single one of us that uses things like that get personal enjoyment out of making and fine tuning the model itself more than getting the results, but I guess that's a separate thing to what you said. I shouldn't post on pain meds. Offline
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Funny how Nyame path B changed everything. Expiacion at attack cap getting +1% avg damage and +23% skillchain bonus and around 2.0 pdif getting massive +13.37% avg damage and +29% skillchain bonus.
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I'm speaking for all the Vajra users reading this spreadsheet conversation. #winning.
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Fenrir.Kaldaek said: » I'm speaking for all the Vajra users reading this spreadsheet conversation. #winning. Hello Vajra user, I'm also Vajra user. Have a nice day :) Offline
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Is it still worth to get the HQ Admehar Body for my Almace Blu or the new Maligance amor pretty much more superior? ( just wondering spending that 11m or so to buy HQ or just cheap it out with NQ)
Thank you Endlesscc said: » Is it still worth to get the HQ Admehar Body for my Almace Blu or the new Maligance amor pretty much more superior? ( just wondering spending that 11m or so to buy HQ or just cheap it out with NQ) Two completely different uses. You will be TPing in Adhemar and Malignance will be in your DT set. So yes, still worth it. Might even want to pick up an NQ so you can use it for a FC body. Offline
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Phoenix.Oolie said: » Endlesscc said: » Is it still worth to get the HQ Admehar Body for my Almace Blu or the new Maligance amor pretty much more superior? ( just wondering spending that 11m or so to buy HQ or just cheap it out with NQ) Two completely different uses. You will be TPing in Adhemar and Malignance will be in your DT set. So yes, still worth it. Might even want to pick up an NQ so you can use it for a FC body. Ah ok, so from what I understand then Adhemar is still the BiS for TP or there's something else on it. Also what is FC body mean? Endlesscc said: » Ah ok, so from what I understand then Adhemar is still the BiS for TP or there's something else on it. Also what is FC body mean? If you can get access to buy it, you might want to consider Gleti's Cuirass instead (or first) as it'd cost you less, mesh well with an Almace build, and is a far stronger defensive option. Adhemar +1 is still one of your best options too, especially if you have other jobs that can make use of it. Worst case, as sorta-mentioned, if you do ever find it not needed for TP, you can change the augment to path D for Fast Cast (really not needed for BLU as we have a lot of options, but other jobs on it have fewer). Offline
Phoenix.Oolie said: » Might even want to pick up an NQ so you can use it for a FC body. the HQ adhemar body with 10% FC path D is probably also a waste as you can upgrade luhlaza jubbah to +3 with 9% FC for a lot cheaper and you probably have no issues to cap FC on BLU with just 7% on body just fine. imho you'd have to cap FC with gear alone to justify those investments so it enables you to drop erratic flutter to invest those 6 BLU spell points somewhere else but last i checked BLU can't. Not necessarily. Allows you to put off working on Relic body if you have other priorities. Additionally serves as a FC body for all jobs that can use it for a little bit of inventory +. All depends on what he currently has available, of course.
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