Empy V. Relic Dilemma

sounds to me like minjo doesn't know what fun is :3

You still seem to be implying that one promotes mental fatigue while the other does not. This is very obviously false.

Some people find winning to be the only way to have fun. For them, winning is everything. Its not about getting any enjoyment while doing so, its about having the enjoyment at the end that you are better then everyone else.

Whatever keeps you from having to support your assertion. I have a hunch that you're just going to continue to be obtuse in lieu of reasonable, though.

a quick overview of your post history also supports my assertion that you're incapable of feeling any positive human emotion >.>

@Ragnarok bandwagon, obviously no one would have thought about it 3 years ago. Want to know why? It was completely and utterly useless.

I've said it before but I still think its ridiculous that players will jump from one job to the next because one job got the upper hand that update.

Although the difference I find between jumping from job to job in FFXI vs other games like fighting games is we don't have any jobs that are the "A" rank jobs. Each job has it's own strengths and weaknesses and if you know how to use the job very well then each job could probably stand up against any other job 1 on 1, I could be wrong though :P

If you jump from job to job then you're actually slowly gearing your jobs making you a more well rounded player because you have access to other jobs you know very well and are already geared, unless you sell the gear after you jump to a diff job lol.

So it can actually be very beneficial if you jump from job to job (because that job got stronger that update/expansion) because you're making other jobs you have stronger so you'll be able to play more than 1-2 jobs during events or pickup groups.

Sticking to a few jobs I love is what I do, but I am also limiting what I can give to a group because of the jobs I like to play that aren't exactly useful for that type of event.

Just my thoughts~

I can be happy and rational simultaneously. I'm sorry if you can't do the same.

Speaking of negativity, I'd say it's pretty negative to tell others that their version of fun doesn't count.

Some people enjoy dealing more damage, it's obvious that such people would jump on to whatever job deals the most damage. I personally keep all relevant DDs geared and am ready to use whichever based on whatever buffs/nerfs they receive.

Okay, I think I've decided to Spharai, Masamune, Oa2 Polearm, and Kannagi. Maybe once all that is done I'll go for a Verethragna, but I'm thinking it'll be hard to convince people to help me with that after I get all that together haha

Thank you for the intelligent discussion and thoughtful insights (for as long as it lasted hah). :)

Looks like a solid choice, you can always resort to buying chloris pops/buds. The only moderately annoying thing about verethragna is chloris.

doubt it.

Anyways, I have always had a certain respect for people who make relic/mythics/empyreans for jobs that they love. However unusual it may be, however useless it may be. When it comes down to doing something though I want people to bring their A game and be effective. Sometimes that doesn't match up with the gear or weapons they have. I also have a certain respect for people who have the relic, mythic, and empyrean for their main job.

If you love it, go for it

Writing a paragraph telling us that having fun playing the strongest class is illegitimate is unnecessary. I'm still waiting for you to explain how you arrived at that conclusion. Repetition in lieu of substantiation is not an argument, it's a fallacy.

And continue to map out my range of emotions for me. I'm sure Niniann, Nightfyre, Jinjo, and Austar are going to get a good laugh out of you claiming I'm unable to be positive.

Monk has always been my favorite job, but sometimes competes with the others I've listed hehe. I'm excited about building my Spharai again, so thank you to everyone for helping restore some faith. ;) Especially to those who said to do it just 'cause I love it. I think I'll enjoy that aspect more. :)

Also I'm impressed 'cause the thread actually had some intelligent discussion before the trololol so good job on that too. ;)

Digging yourself quite a hole here.

Anyways I think the only answer is to play how you love to play. It shouldn't matter to you what others think of the jobs you enjoy to play or how you enjoy playing. If you want to be a full time PUP go for it, if you want to be a melee WHM I don't see what's so wrong with that (as long as you know when to put the clubs away :P). If you want to jump from job to job because one got the upper hand that update then that's your choice to make.

I don't think there is anything worse in this game than being on a job you don't enjoy playing. Have fun playing the way you want to play as long as you bring your A game to any group that picks you up or any linkshell that invites you.

Ok, I take it since everyone is only talking about Ragnarok. Thats its better then the EMP great sword?

I like the look of the EMP great sword, but its WS looks horrible :(

I just finished building an Excalibur with some help from my ls but a extremely large chunk was solo farmed/funded. And I did it not for practicality, but because I have always wanted one since I started the game.

Caladbolg 99 could theoretically outparse Ragnarok 99 given fulltime AM3 with minimal loss in WS frequency (Voidwatch) if Ragnarok's accuracy wasn't a signficant factor, but even then you're talking about a ~5% difference in output tops. Ragnarok wins easily for any other situation.

Sell currency, make 95 Vere.

95 emp cost 150-160m such a waste. I would rather have 95 spharai and 45m left over anyday then waste that much for +2 of a stat. Morons upgrade 90 > 95 emps >_>

use a chocobo wand fulltime all jobs

My suggestion to you is not ask for the advice from anyone on this thread, it is full of people who spend their time posting on the site, and not actually playing. Take a look at their profiles before they fill you full of crap. I hope you find the answers you are looking for on your own.

lol

1. The fact that you are comparing stats (in this case str +15 versus str +17) instead of an increase in base damage is incredibly stupid.

2. Why are you stopping @95? 99 relics and empyreans cost about the same; in fact, empyreans are actually somewhat cheaper to upgrade to 99, taking into consideration a) the time spent killing ADL instead of farming currency or b) the amount of gil spent buying the marrows.

3. "Morons" don't upgrade empyreans 90>95, they upgrade them from 90>99, which, at the present time, is much easier than relic. If you have enough gil to upgrade empyrean to 95, why the hell would you not aim for 99.

Can't speak for all of 'em.

But I only generally fall into line with practicing what I preach anyhow. I already play more jobs than I really like for the sake of versatility; forum browsing is a very small fraction of the time I spend playing.

It may not apply to everyone in the same situation, but me saying you'll regret making a weapon (or even leveling and decently gearing a job otherwise) just for its current usefulness and not because you love the job as much was learned the hard way. ^^;

It's why I've backed off the argument. I know different people have different situations. I don't always agree and I think some of the "must win all the parses!" people step on a lot of toes, whether they realize it or not, but that's the way they enjoy playing...so be it.

I love reading post like this.

Guttler is NOWHERE near the best axe for BST. It does NOTHING your goddamn pet. Your pet should be geared up before the master anyway. Mythic adds Attack bonus to pet ONE, It adds double and triple attack to pet TWO, and it enhances sic and ready THREE. It also gives the master double and triple attack. Guttler doesn't do any of that for pet. Aymur blows guttler out the water by a very long distance. You can even aftermath on an antlion while your pet does the work on tiamat. So saying that the bst can't always melee for aftermath is silly. Aftermath lasts 4 mins now at 99.

Back to spahrai. I love how every Spharai owner jumps that bandwagon. I think the weapon personally sucks from all the people I seen use it. Victory Smite and Ukkos fury got nerfed but lets not kid ourselves, they still rock your ***all day long.
I have Shinjin Spiral at level 5 and I used dex build and that weapon is a huge peice of ***inside of VW, abyssea and regular non-temp item areas when Impetus is down. I average 3k+ on Victory on anything ranging from Easy Prey mobs, to Arch dynamis lords and Ig Alimas, To basically anything in the game. I never see Shinjin go that High ever. Smite works wonder when you sub /warrior and it is a little gimp when you have a shitty subjob of course. Some Vere mnks need to stop subbing ninja or dnc and complaining about VS numbers. Victory Smite thrashes Shinjin and final heaven by a large margin.

There is Asc. Fury though that can tie or beat Victory smite in VW,abyssea areas for Spharai users and those Spharai users can possibly tie or beat vere. Otherwise regular areas, Asc. Fury sucks badly. Vere mnks can counter too and they can even keep hate off anyone which = more counters. With melee gaiters +2 and counter gear and perfect counter (100%), Vere can counter also and maybe more frequently then the gimp spharai MNK that can't even pull hate. Alot of mobs are AOE attacks and cannot counter anyways. I'm sorry But I seen good Vere mnks like Nobunaga and myself and even at 85 vere it's thrashing 95 Spharai which is sad considering what my 99 vere will do them soon enough.

Wall of text done. And Sup ramyrez :)