I love how this thread turned into killspeed because I mentioned it in my post on BST vs DNC. :D Derail success? I THINK SO.
Also, that BLU isn't doing it right. Even a moderately-geared BLU can demolish mobs faster than a BST or DNC can, using proper Chain Affinity skillchains and gearswaps. I'm thinking about trying a solo run when I feel like playing again.
Bst Th1 Pet Gimp In Dynamis, Big Difference?
Bst Th1 pet gimp in Dynamis, big difference?
If anyone can honestly say with a straight face that they think any job can kill faster (consistently faster at that) than a BLU on EP~T mobs/old content are either horribly uninformed or don't know any BLUs that are worth a ***.
Also an idiot if you think BLU is anything short of the apex of Dynamis soloing. Natural TH2, infinite survivability, superior killspeed, ability to solo DCs without losing time...
Also an idiot if you think BLU is anything short of the apex of Dynamis soloing. Natural TH2, infinite survivability, superior killspeed, ability to solo DCs without losing time...
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
If anyone can honestly say with a straight face that they think any job can kill faster (consistently faster at that) than a BLU on EP~T mobs/old content are either horribly uninformed or don't know any BLUs that are worth a ***.
Also an idiot if you think BLU is anything short of the apex of Dynamis soloing. Natural TH2, infinite survivability, superior killspeed, ability to solo DCs without losing time...
Also an idiot if you think BLU is anything short of the apex of Dynamis soloing. Natural TH2, infinite survivability, superior killspeed, ability to solo DCs without losing time...
Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said: »
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
If anyone can honestly say with a straight face that they think any job can kill faster (consistently faster at that) than a BLU on EP~T mobs/old content are either horribly uninformed or don't know any BLUs that are worth a ***.
Also an idiot if you think BLU is anything short of the apex of Dynamis soloing. Natural TH2, infinite survivability, superior killspeed, ability to solo DCs without losing time...
Also an idiot if you think BLU is anything short of the apex of Dynamis soloing. Natural TH2, infinite survivability, superior killspeed, ability to solo DCs without losing time...
You need to be a skillful BLU to do well, so no, we won't really.
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I'm not saying BLU isn't the fastest, just that average BLU vs average BST, which is what most of us/people are going to be (let's get real a second), BLU is a complete waste of time in Dynamis.
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
You need to be a skillful BLU to do well, so no, we won't really.
I was so close, damn.
My favorite is the guestimation that widescan cuts 15 whole minutes off stat farming time. My experience has been about a 0-10 second difference per stat so I figure widescan has a 50 second advantage on a really good day?
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Situational, really. In Qufim Widescan is almost 100% useless imo, useless outside of T5 in Valkurm/Bubu. And even then, what you would want to see if there are players around TE rather than the TE itself. You know where is the TE but you don't know if someone is on it, that's it.
Other dynas... well, other dynas.
Other dynas... well, other dynas.
Probably the reason you don't see an influx of BLU is beacuse it takes time to level the job thru burns (minor not worth mentioning really) and then time to learn the spells and time on top of that to skill up magic, whereas w/ bst, you throw it in a cleave toss some gil from that cleave into jugs and equip whatever weps u have skill on then throw some D's on that ynamis.
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Ah, as in whether the TE is up or not in the first place?
Raborn said: »
Probably the reason you don't see an influx of BLU is beacuse it takes time to level the job thru burns (minor not worth mentioning really) and then time to learn the spells and time on top of that to skill up magic, whereas w/ bst, you throw it in a cleave toss some gil from that cleave into jugs and equip whatever weps u have skill on then throw some D's on that ynamis.
That and BLU actually requires skill to play outside of telling your hippogryph to attack 5 mobs at once. A skillful BLU is *** beautiful though.
TEs have very low repop time, it's fine if they are or not, but if you know that there was a player and even more, that he was on the TE, you can also know that he has killed it or is killing it.
Example, you see the TE 5 at the West camp in Buburimu, that's cool and all but if by then someone has killed it and then it repops at Yagudo, Widescan didn't help (and won't help, you can't scan that far). That's why it's only semi useful, really.
Other TEs don't need Widescan at all and this example is kinda extreme, only happened to me twice in 4 months and isn't applicable to Qufim as the zone is small.
Example, you see the TE 5 at the West camp in Buburimu, that's cool and all but if by then someone has killed it and then it repops at Yagudo, Widescan didn't help (and won't help, you can't scan that far). That's why it's only semi useful, really.
Other TEs don't need Widescan at all and this example is kinda extreme, only happened to me twice in 4 months and isn't applicable to Qufim as the zone is small.
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
You need to be a skillful BLU to do well, so no, we won't really.
I've been thinking of soloing dyna with my Blu, granted I usually run around with 2 other bsts helping one of them build aegis, I try to slow down my kill speed to give them time to proc the ones I'm on. My whole problem is I'm not sure what support job to go with and I'm lacking Almace and a few other pieces of gear to help with my physical spell sets. I'll have to do a test run when I get the chance to get back online to see the average income.
Cerberus.Draupnir said: »
I've been thinking of soloing dyna with my Blu, granted I usually run around with 2 other bsts helping one of them build aegis, I try to slow down my kill speed to give them time to proc the ones I'm on. My whole problem is I'm not sure what support job to go with and I'm lacking Almace and a few other pieces of gear to help with my physical spell sets. I'll have to do a test run when I get the chance to get back online to see the average income.
BLU/DNC for procs. With almace I usually pulled 180~ a run solo depending on competition. A good requiescat set shouldn't put you TOO far behind that. Shouldn't need saying but seriously avoid high mp spells. 2 hours is a long time even with all the refresh we get.
Bahamut.Fistandantilus said: »
Good! I hope all the haters who cried about Bst, and then rejoiced when the nerf was announced are nonplussed.
I'm not a fan of idiot Bst's holding more than 3 mobs at a time, or being greedy or douchey in other ways. However, with the way people came out to cheer about Bst TH nerf it serves them right if they were all excited to see Bst's start to thin out post nerf, and nothing changes now. Suck it haters.
I'm not a fan of idiot Bst's holding more than 3 mobs at a time, or being greedy or douchey in other ways. However, with the way people came out to cheer about Bst TH nerf it serves them right if they were all excited to see Bst's start to thin out post nerf, and nothing changes now. Suck it haters.
Seemed to even out the herd pretty good here. This was all on search when I entered.
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Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said: »
Bahamut.Fistandantilus said: »
Good! I hope all the haters who cried about Bst, and then rejoiced when the nerf was announced are nonplussed.
I'm not a fan of idiot Bst's holding more than 3 mobs at a time, or being greedy or douchey in other ways. However, with the way people came out to cheer about Bst TH nerf it serves them right if they were all excited to see Bst's start to thin out post nerf, and nothing changes now. Suck it haters.
I'm not a fan of idiot Bst's holding more than 3 mobs at a time, or being greedy or douchey in other ways. However, with the way people came out to cheer about Bst TH nerf it serves them right if they were all excited to see Bst's start to thin out post nerf, and nothing changes now. Suck it haters.
Seemed to even out the herd pretty good here.
Congratulations you did a /sea at w/e random time on your random server. Get that man a medal for investigative journalism....
Bahamut.Fistandantilus said: »
Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said: »
Bahamut.Fistandantilus said: »
Good! I hope all the haters who cried about Bst, and then rejoiced when the nerf was announced are nonplussed.
I'm not a fan of idiot Bst's holding more than 3 mobs at a time, or being greedy or douchey in other ways. However, with the way people came out to cheer about Bst TH nerf it serves them right if they were all excited to see Bst's start to thin out post nerf, and nothing changes now. Suck it haters.
I'm not a fan of idiot Bst's holding more than 3 mobs at a time, or being greedy or douchey in other ways. However, with the way people came out to cheer about Bst TH nerf it serves them right if they were all excited to see Bst's start to thin out post nerf, and nothing changes now. Suck it haters.
Seemed to even out the herd pretty good here.
Congratulations you did a /sea at w/e random time on your random server. Get that man a medal for investigative journalism....
Really, do you think I give a ***that it's at a random time? It's the usual time I enter dynamis, and that will be what I expect for a while until the bst trend picks back up.
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I honestly thought they where going to give you guys THIII back through items...but alas..they lied again.
on the bandwagon topic: i thought people where gunna bandwagon to PUP for dyna but i guess people proved me wrong.
on the bandwagon topic: i thought people where gunna bandwagon to PUP for dyna but i guess people proved me wrong.
Carbuncle.Enuyasha said: »
I honestly thought they where going to give you guys THIII back through items...but alas..they lied again.
They didn't lie, they just didn't tell us that would kill the whole point of the TH nerf
I did a run last night and only 5 ppl in zone. I blame it on the update of course,
more people doing other things but from the BSTs I know, they have noticed a difference.
I subscribe to the TH2 theory, meaning I'm comfortable farming with TH2+
so if BST can only max TH1... Then I'll assume the drop rate is gimped.
more people doing other things but from the BSTs I know, they have noticed a difference.
I subscribe to the TH2 theory, meaning I'm comfortable farming with TH2+
so if BST can only max TH1... Then I'll assume the drop rate is gimped.
Carbuncle.Enuyasha said: »
on the bandwagon topic: i thought people where gunna bandwagon to PUP for dyna but i guess people proved me wrong.
I used to BST it up in Dyna when I was building my Aegis, (about 2 months ago) but I stopped after I finished Aegis because of the horrible overcamping. I switched to PUP/THF and never looked back. I can pick any zone at my leisure since I'm not having to worry about competition.
Cerberus.Sephrin said: »
Carbuncle.Enuyasha said: »
on the bandwagon topic: i thought people where gunna bandwagon to PUP for dyna but i guess people proved me wrong.
Carbuncle.Enuyasha said: »
Cerberus.Sephrin said: »
Carbuncle.Enuyasha said: »
on the bandwagon topic: i thought people where gunna bandwagon to PUP for dyna but i guess people proved me wrong.
I go for WS proc mobs and I try to proc alongside roboWHM. Between Strobe, Flash, and Disruptor the rate is pretty damn good. Not to mention my own WS and the robot's as well. TH3 to boot. Reason I believe more people don't do it is because PUP requires a little more thinking and actions. You don't just put your pet on it and whack away till you see a !!. I get examined all the time in Dyna and ppl ask how PUP/THF works in dyna, lol.
Sandy noight of the update. Less coins (by about 30 or so) but way more consolation prize frozen heads.
I am 100+ cooking and I approve of this tread (v^_^)b
i dont know what some of you guys are talking about with your 250 coins per run bs...but the drop rate dropped considerably...i've heard from a few different people that there is supposed to be some new gear that gives your pet additional TH...any real info on this would be more than welcome.
Suprised i havent seen anything about DNC's ability to white proc.
I feel as though getting a 100piece every other run in a THF + DNC duo boosts the average per run quite a bit. all the while having DNC's proccing abilities (not luck though!) and ability to handle 3 or 4 mobs at a time fairly easily works wonders.
being able to get 4 procs and then go ham on DD afterwards is pretty fun and takes the boredom away.
edit: i dont think blu, thf, or bst can really farm in tav zones efficiently without a subjob :P
I feel as though getting a 100piece every other run in a THF + DNC duo boosts the average per run quite a bit. all the while having DNC's proccing abilities (not luck though!) and ability to handle 3 or 4 mobs at a time fairly easily works wonders.
being able to get 4 procs and then go ham on DD afterwards is pretty fun and takes the boredom away.
edit: i dont think blu, thf, or bst can really farm in tav zones efficiently without a subjob :P
On siren anyway, there's a HUGE difference. you won't get 1/2 of what you got before. also, there seems to be further penalties in Valkrum only, so definately stay away from there. O , & JA procs don't work anymore. seems like everyone should go to cities now.
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