US Soldier Kills 16 - Where Should He Face Trial?

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I wouldnt be calling people savage beasts for being from a different country if I came from the country that spawned Geordie Shore.

/shudder

You know what - him being in the US military has little to do with what happened. It's just an excuse for you to express your hatred towards the US military forces. What if he was from Norway (which is my country)? We have servicemen and women in Afghanistan too. You have a problem with the Norwegian military forces too maybe?

For the record, I'm not being "nice" when I say I believe he should have a fair trial. I'm just saying everything isn't black or white, there are shades of gray inbetween and none of us know all the details and facts around this incident.



Don't be stupid. Of course I wouldn't defend someone who killed 10 children in my family, noone in their right mind would. If someone harmed one of my children, I might want to kill them. But wtf good would it do to kill OTHER INNOCENT PEOPLE as revenge??? Absolutely no good at all.

I don't have a problem with the Njords in AF, they had plenty of hot chicks to try to run through!

That was the point of my provocation "let's kill 10 childs". To point out that even if he got death sentence or prison for life, it wouldnt be enough, it wouldnt be fair, from my point of view (and hell, i dont even know those people). Now i wonder what would it look like from their families and friends eyes, would they think or feel, 1 death = 10 ? Would they say and feel that death penalty is enough ? They prolly wont, and i feel sad for them.

I can get that people dont like the idea of hurtin this soldier's people, but i can't understand that people tryin justify his acts or defend him, because he maybe "snappd" or "hear voices" ...

C'mon.

And Tamoa, you askd me if i read everything, lemme ask you the same.

I first asked who should i blame, this guy, or the ones givin him weapons ? If US army didnt see that one of them soldier wasnt in good mental shape, who am i spose to blame ? Spain ? Egypt ? Japan ? It's on US army.

If it happened with Norway, i wouldnt have any problem, Norway didnt attack Iraq, Norway dont have guantanamo (or w/e u spell that), Norway soldier didnt urinate on dead bodies.

So no, i wouldnt say anything, i started with "hahahahahahah" US army, and it only stands for THIS army.

wrong forum post? lol, but its funny because that's the issue with trying to bring down Kony.... He has The childrens hero shield >_>

This is a very interesting thread with a couple of very interesting posters...

You might want to kill them, that's the spirit. Now if you were THAT mad at them, maybe(prolly) killin him wouldnt make you feel any better, maybe even killin 10000 of his family wouldnt help more.

Yet if this happened to your childrens, i dont think you'd let him have a fair and nice trial in his country, you prolly aint a murderer either, so what to do ? Leave him to afghan laws and see what happens.

This is an OUTRAGE!

We cannot expect our soldiers who risk their lives for us everyday to go out into the field with only 16 bullets.

Something has to be done about this!

I must spend the entire morning posting about how butt sore I am on every gaming site. Dammit, the people need to know how much I care. <cry, whine, sob>.

I'll worry about the actual facts when they come out later.

I've been in the army for 10 years and have never once been told to shoot everything that moves just because I don't like the way it looks while I'm out on patrol. Maybe you need to elaborate. Also,


Really dude.......this is absolutely disgusting.

Give him to the locals so he can get what he deserves. The instant he started killing innocents is the instant he stopped being a soldier and became a sack of ***deserving whatever comes his way. The US is too pansy to give him the death penalty, at least he'll spend his life breaking big rocks into little rocks at Leavenworth vs watching Oprah in an armchair in a federal pen.

So you have been taught to form a deadly force triangle?

I was never taught this, maybe my unit was not elite enough to use such advanced tactics that would only endanger us.



I agree with the disgusting part, it is disgusting that people want the US military to intervene in a non-American issue and murder children/assassinate Kony. I bet those people are okay with murdering Iranian scientists too.

I know this is off topic in Kony, but could you imagine if America went full force after Kony?

Kony would use his children soldiers against us in whatever way he could.

All you would see in the media around the world is how America goes into other countries and murders helpless children.

Please don't intervene America, please.

Let those emotions flow forth! They really cloud your judgment the further you rely on them when administering justice.

The soldier killed innocent civilians in a war zone and it's now up to our legal system to put him away. Handing him over the Afghan government does nothing more than give them a beautiful propaganda tool to parade about the world as the image of "typical" Americans even though in fact this guy either had a mental breakdown or wanted to satisfy his bloodlust.

Unless you think all soldiers want to kill innocent civilians? If so, get your head checked.

The Afghans already had their fun killing innocent people after some Qurans got burned by "accident". Our ally Karzai couldn't even be assed to acknowledge that it was an accident and that his people were in the wrong. He's too busy trying to stay alive over there and pander to deranged individuals anyway.

The last thing we need on TV is video of the Afghans executing a serviceman - even one who commit such a heinous crime. Why? Because it makes all soldiers look bad.

*unless you're giving everyone billions and billions of dollars

To clarify, I meant to the mob of neighbors/friends/family members wanting a piece of him for what he did.

I made no such generalizations.

Applying that argument to what this guy did, it seems he did a hell of a job of that all on his own.

Other Soldiers will jump to his defense with "You don't know what a war is like." Then he will get a slap on the wrist, a demotion and put back into service. Making our Gov't and military look more like a joke again.

Please show me the previous case where a soldier went off on their own, without orders and killed a bunch of civilians and then had nothing happen to them and put back into the military.

You are out of your mind.

Frankly, I can't see that happening. He'll get no less than life in prison.

Well a Sgt in the Marines ordered his troops to kill Civilians. Not exact same situation, but same idea. Killing civilians without cause. He received 90 days in jails and a demotion. And let's not forget the respect of his fellow soldiers for killing farmers and families hiding in their houses. Granted he didn't pull the trigger on all 20 some people but he intended for their deaths.

oh yeah and I can't forget how he took pictures to save the moment for later reflection. Seems about the same or even worse to me, but then I am just a civilian and don't understand the military.

That was not even close to the same situation.

In that situation, the guy who ordered the attacks watched his friend get blown to pieces by a roadside bomb and then thought that the people who put the bomb there were hiding in homes right nearby.

So while it's obviously questionable, it's a lot more easily explained than someone just going nuts and killing random people.

OK so let's review:

1. The person in this case just went nuts from whatever and went out and killed random civilians.
2. In the other case, they were under attack and had people die and thought the attackers were nearby so they went to get them.

See the difference?

Here is the article here: http://www.kpbs.org/news/2012/jan/23/marine-pleads-guilty-killing-unarmed-iraqis/

You want to talk about senseless murder? Try this one on for size. This ***will blow your mind.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2112960/90-students-Iraq-stoned-death-having-Emo-hair-tight-clothes.html

Wearing jeans and a different hairstyle is a punishment for death apparently.

Are you dense? The military is particularly sensitive about their reputation, and in general, the UCMJ is more strict than civilian law, not less.

Reasons I've seen people kicked out of the military:

Drug Use
Theft
Excessive DUIs
Poor performance

Granted, that's just my experience. But I am willing to bet quite a lot that whoever decides the fate of his career will agree that killing a bunch of people in a random act significantly worse than any of those. No, "significantly" isn't even a strong enough word.

Yup military laws are different from civilian laws.

first he will undergo military investigation, followed by a judgement by a military judge. later, based on negotiations, and agreements between the two countries, he may or may not be sent to a court in Afghanistan. Either way, what he did is wrong!

While the laws on the books for the military are harsh this doesn't necessarily mean that the sentences given out are. This still comes down to the military jury, unless there is no trial then that is a whole other story (plea bargaining, etc).

Example:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/11/kill-team-calvin-gibbs-convicted

This man led a team to kill unarmed civilians and cut off body parts to keep as war trophies may only serve 10 years in jail.

Yes, other nations kill people in horrendous ways (and the 'emo' killings are sickening) but how can we say as a nation say that we are helping people when we are commiting some of the same crimes that previous terrorists/crime lords/etc commited?

This isn't the first time civilians have been killed in Afghanistan and it probably won't be the last(just based on previous incidents). Should he be tried in the US? Maybe. But no matter where his trial is the families who were affected should be present and restitution should be offered.

Events like this where soliders kill civilians are just encouraging more hate against the US and its allies. I think, It needs to be handled so that the families feel that justice has been served but we aren't lopping soliders heads off in the streets.

I'd be all for lopping his head off in the street... if I didn't believe in a possibility of him being innocent. Regardless of confession, there is always a chance of coercion or cover-up. I realize that sounds a little tin-foil-hat, but it's just like Science; even though all avenues point to something, and we are 99% positive it is the truth, a slight flaw in the foundation can change everything.

If he truly did those things, he deserves to die in the street like a dog, but we act on the assumption that we, and by extension our justice system, aren't perfect, as we should.

As a former soldier I have seen things most people should not. I have felt anger, I have felt hate. In war many sad things happen. But in the end I have a soul and a mind that knows right from wrong. If this man is guilty. He should be tried in the country were he committed them. As long as he gets a fair trail. Does not matter to me sentence. Even death.

He confessed to murdering civilians, and CHILDREN without cause. Give him his 'fair' trial then execute him.

he wouldn't though


do tell as to what purpose that would serve?

Hmmm...

It's just a sad thing on all accounts.