Lakshmi.Rearden said: »
And the US Government would trust the Japanese Government to offer a real trial, rather than a bunch of dirka dirkas deciding who cuts off his head first.
lol'd ^ well said...
US Soldier Kills 16 - Where Should He Face Trial?
US soldier kills 16 - Where should he face trial?
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
Odin.Dirtyfinger said: »
I don't think anyone deserves a fair trial if they murder children.
good thing it's not up to you then.
edit: read op article:
Nato treaty states that criminals will be tried in their home nations, end of story.
I'm pretty sure the North Atlantic Treaty Orginization (NATO) does not apply to Afghanistan.
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Asura.Floorboss said: »
Moonwalkerv have you ever been in war??? My family has been in the military and I know what crap they go thru. My grandfather had mustergas or whatever you want to call it on him. It messed him up so bad he died at a early age due to health problems from it. If this person snapped or shoot these people he must have had a reason.
You're an idiot. God damn, like, honestly...
People like you don't deserve the air it takes your pathetic brain to work.
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In both cases I brought up, they had military legal representatives for the hearings, and higher-ups (Fleet Admiral, CO, XO) were all present during trials.
I think if a trial outside the US were going to happen there would be representatives present to make sure it goes down the right way. It is not as if they would be handed off to a lynch-mob.
I am aware that these countries involved are different. I just wanted to share my experiences with somewhat similar cases, instead of just waving my e-*** around with theory and conjecture in order to make myself seem intellectually superior to everyone else.
Sorry for sharing.
I think if a trial outside the US were going to happen there would be representatives present to make sure it goes down the right way. It is not as if they would be handed off to a lynch-mob.
I am aware that these countries involved are different. I just wanted to share my experiences with somewhat similar cases, instead of just waving my e-*** around with theory and conjecture in order to make myself seem intellectually superior to everyone else.
Sorry for sharing.
Don't think it was fair for those 11 people to be murder that day. So why should his trial be?
Asura.Akamatzu said: »
Don't think it was fair for those 11 people to be murder that day. So why should his trial be?
Ok so anyone arrested suspected of murder, no matter what the circumstances were, should just be sentenced without the opportunity to defend themselves?
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Carbuncle.Snoochybooch said: »
Of course he will be brought back to the states, he is a soldier. The govt would not hand over one of their own under these circumstances. I dont think at least.
Article 118 of the ucmj, he will either get the death penalty or life imprisonment.
Article 118 of the ucmj, he will either get the death penalty or life imprisonment.
This is where modern law fails.
an eye for an eye.hang the *** in front of his family
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Just throwing this out there, if you look to non-biased media coverage, They say it was a group of drunk americans NOT JUST 1 GUY. Media is trying to spin this to make it look like SOME people don't just join the military for a license to kill. It was a group, not a single guy.
You can say that the Afghanis are lying but who has more incentive to lie? The group of people who witnessed the slaughter of women and children, or the government who is fighting a 10 year old war and is still over there even though we already caught the guy we were there for in the first place...
You can say that the Afghanis are lying but who has more incentive to lie? The group of people who witnessed the slaughter of women and children, or the government who is fighting a 10 year old war and is still over there even though we already caught the guy we were there for in the first place...
Finality said: »
Just throwing this out there, if you look to non-biased media coverage, They say it was a group of drunk americans NOT JUST 1 GUY. Media is trying to spin this to make it look like SOME people don't just join the military for a license to kill. It was a group, not a single guy.
You can say that the Afghanis are lying but who has more incentive to lie? The group of people who witnessed the slaughter of women and children, or the government who is fighting a 10 year old war and is still over there even though we already caught the guy we were there for in the first place...
You can say that the Afghanis are lying but who has more incentive to lie? The group of people who witnessed the slaughter of women and children, or the government who is fighting a 10 year old war and is still over there even though we already caught the guy we were there for in the first place...
Or the people that are harboring terrorists in their living room that fire rockets at NATO forces on a daily basis. HMMMMM...
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Asura.Tamoa said: »
Asura.Akamatzu said: »
Don't think it was fair for those 11 people to be murder that day. So why should his trial be?
Ok so anyone arrested suspected of murder, no matter what the circumstances were, should just be sentenced without the opportunity to defend themselves?
Isn't that the whole point of a trial, to determine whether the defendant is guilty or not guilty?
Hahahahahaha US army, again.
The guy deserves to die, oh and lets kill 10 childrens from his family too.
Wonder who should i blame, this stupid guy, or his stupid boss for givin him a weapon hmmm...
The guy deserves to die, oh and lets kill 10 childrens from his family too.
Wonder who should i blame, this stupid guy, or his stupid boss for givin him a weapon hmmm...
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I really don't see what the argument here is, people are always tried in their home country, when we caught Saddam we handed him over to The Iraqi Government.
I don't agree with what this U.S soldier did, but I myself have never been in the military nor have ever been to war so I have absolutely no idea what its like, so I'm going to withhold my personal judgment.
Isn't there some saying not to judge somebody unless you've been in their shoes?
I don't agree with what this U.S soldier did, but I myself have never been in the military nor have ever been to war so I have absolutely no idea what its like, so I'm going to withhold my personal judgment.
Isn't there some saying not to judge somebody unless you've been in their shoes?
Finality said: »
Just throwing this out there, if you look to non-biased media coverage, They say it was a group of drunk americans NOT JUST 1 GUY. Media is trying to spin this to make it look like SOME people don't just join the military for a license to kill. It was a group, not a single guy.
You can say that the Afghanis are lying but who has more incentive to lie? The group of people who witnessed the slaughter of women and children, or the government who is fighting a 10 year old war and is still over there even though we already caught the guy we were there for in the first place...
You can say that the Afghanis are lying but who has more incentive to lie? The group of people who witnessed the slaughter of women and children, or the government who is fighting a 10 year old war and is still over there even though we already caught the guy we were there for in the first place...
Congrats.
Ragnarok.Yathatguy said: »
Finality said: »
Just throwing this out there, if you look to non-biased media coverage, They say it was a group of drunk americans NOT JUST 1 GUY. Media is trying to spin this to make it look like SOME people don't just join the military for a license to kill. It was a group, not a single guy. You can say that the Afghanis are lying but who has more incentive to lie? The group of people who witnessed the slaughter of women and children, or the government who is fighting a 10 year old war and is still over there even though we already caught the guy we were there for in the first place...
Yes because every single Afghan is a terrorist!
These 9 were clearly so bad they military had to send 1 lone gunman or maybe according to new infomation a group of drunk guys to take em out.
Correct me if i'm wrong but even in a actual combat zone isnt it against the law to kill unarmed enemy soldiers? Let alone unarmed children?
No, you can kill unarmed people.
You also missed the point of his post
You also missed the point of his post
Phoenix.Lillicarnage said: »
In my experience the military will tend to hand them over for punishment in the other nations prison system, and then bring them back to ours later on. I am basing this on 2 cases that happened on my ship when I was stationed in Japan.
In one case a young man murdered an elderly Japanese woman, he was handed over and will serve a life time in Japanese prison, should he ever get out for some reason he will then be tried by the US military under UCMJ, discharged, and then tried under a civilian court. This is how the Commanding Officer and Legal Officer onboard explained it to the crew.
In the second case an Officer beat the hell out of a Chinese taxi-driver and was arrested. We handed him over when the police came for him and he was given 10 years in a Chinese jail, after that the same thing will go down as the previous guy.
I can't say for sure in this other case, I think it comes down to relations and how upset the host nation is about it. If it comes down to saving face for the country they will most likely hand him over for punishment first.
In one case a young man murdered an elderly Japanese woman, he was handed over and will serve a life time in Japanese prison, should he ever get out for some reason he will then be tried by the US military under UCMJ, discharged, and then tried under a civilian court. This is how the Commanding Officer and Legal Officer onboard explained it to the crew.
In the second case an Officer beat the hell out of a Chinese taxi-driver and was arrested. We handed him over when the police came for him and he was given 10 years in a Chinese jail, after that the same thing will go down as the previous guy.
I can't say for sure in this other case, I think it comes down to relations and how upset the host nation is about it. If it comes down to saving face for the country they will most likely hand him over for punishment first.
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Afghan MPs passed a strong resolution to condemn the killing and demanded an open trial on Afghan soil. However, Afghanistan has signed an agreement with Nato that foreign soldiers should be tried in their own countries.
Cerberus.Volkomir said: »
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
Odin.Dirtyfinger said: »
I don't think anyone deserves a fair trial if they murder children.
good thing it's not up to you then.
edit: read op article:
Nato treaty states that criminals will be tried in their home nations, end of story.
I'm pretty sure the North Atlantic Treaty Orginization (NATO) does not apply to Afghanistan.
from the OP's link
Quote:
Afghan MPs passed a strong resolution to condemn the killing and demanded an open trial on Afghan soil. However, Afghanistan has signed an agreement with Nato that foreign soldiers should be tried in their own countries.
try some reading comprehension
Moonwalkerv said: »
Ragnarok.Yathatguy said: »
Finality said: »
Just throwing this out there, if you look to non-biased media coverage, They say it was a group of drunk americans NOT JUST 1 GUY. Media is trying to spin this to make it look like SOME people don't just join the military for a license to kill. It was a group, not a single guy. You can say that the Afghanis are lying but who has more incentive to lie? The group of people who witnessed the slaughter of women and children, or the government who is fighting a 10 year old war and is still over there even though we already caught the guy we were there for in the first place...
Yes because every single Afghan is a terrorist!
These 9 were clearly so bad they military had to send 1 lone gunman or maybe according to new infomation a group of drunk guys to take em out.
Correct me if i'm wrong but even in a actual combat zone isnt it against the law to kill unarmed enemy soldiers? Let alone unarmed children?
where did it say that they were unarmed?
Geneva Convention Art. 16
US Military are trained to not kill unless a "deadly force triangle" is established.
US Military are trained to not kill unless a "deadly force triangle" is established.
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Carbuncle.Hysoka said: »
Hahahahahaha US army, again.
The guy deserves to die, oh and lets kill 10 childrens from his family too.
Wonder who should i blame, this stupid guy, or his stupid boss for givin him a weapon hmmm...
The guy deserves to die, oh and lets kill 10 childrens from his family too.
Wonder who should i blame, this stupid guy, or his stupid boss for givin him a weapon hmmm...
This is the reason why I wish they didn't get rid of - ratings >_>
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
Moonwalkerv said: »
Ragnarok.Yathatguy said: »
Finality said: »
Just throwing this out there, if you look to non-biased media coverage, They say it was a group of drunk americans NOT JUST 1 GUY. Media is trying to spin this to make it look like SOME people don't just join the military for a license to kill. It was a group, not a single guy. You can say that the Afghanis are lying but who has more incentive to lie? The group of people who witnessed the slaughter of women and children, or the government who is fighting a 10 year old war and is still over there even though we already caught the guy we were there for in the first place...
I'm flicking between CNN international and BBC world news on tv, they are reporting "11 unarmed civilians 9 of whom were children murdered after a US serviceman breaks into 3 homes."
All paraphrased and I didnt record it for proof.
Oh, sorry if i hurt yer feelings, didnt mean to.
Yet, hahahaha US army.
Yet, hahahaha US army.
Phoenix.Lillicarnage said: »
Geneva Convention Art. 16
US Military are trained to not kill unless a "deadly force triangle" is established.
US Military are trained to not kill unless a "deadly force triangle" is established.
Carbuncle.Hysoka said: »
Oh, sorry if i hurt yer feelings, didnt mean to.
Yet, hahahaha US army.
Yet, hahahaha US army.
feelings aren't hurt, its just I think its funny that you most likely have no idea what being in war is like, yet your judging this guy, and already deciding what should be done >_>.
Quetzalcoatl.Vodkaa said: »
Carbuncle.Hysoka said: »
Hahahahahaha US army, again.
The guy deserves to die, oh and lets kill 10 childrens from his family too.
Wonder who should i blame, this stupid guy, or his stupid boss for givin him a weapon hmmm...
The guy deserves to die, oh and lets kill 10 childrens from his family too.
Wonder who should i blame, this stupid guy, or his stupid boss for givin him a weapon hmmm...
The real sad thing is a scumbag freak like you probably would kill 10 kids from the soliders family, as if they have anything to do with his actions.
Oh, you dont wanna hear what africans have to say about that story ?
Fiiiiiiiine~ go go go us army and keep it real ! Murder childrens its okayyyyy !
Pffft.
Ramuh.Sagittario said: »
Asura.Tamoa said: »
Asura.Akamatzu said: »
Don't think it was fair for those 11 people to be murder that day. So why should his trial be?
Ok so anyone arrested suspected of murder, no matter what the circumstances were, should just be sentenced without the opportunity to defend themselves?
Isn't that the whole point of a trial, to determine whether the defendant is guilty or not guilty?
Of course it is, but it's never a case of guilty or not guilty and that's it. There are different degrees of murder, and sentencing will vary a lot depending on evidence/circumstances. In some cases, the evidence and circumstances can mean the difference between life and death, literally. Or life imprisonment v/s 30 years. Or less.
Either way, this is quite the horror story. Whether he was suffering from a mental breakdown, or if he was just filled with hate - it's a worrying fact that neither was noticed by his superiours prior to this terrible incident.
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also
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"
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Carbuncle.Lynxblade said: »
Carbuncle.Hysoka said: »
Oh, sorry if i hurt yer feelings, didnt mean to.
Yet, hahahaha US army.
Yet, hahahaha US army.
feelings aren't hurt, its just I think its funny that you most likely have no idea what being in war is like, yet your judging this guy, and already deciding what should be done >_>.
Yeah right, the flag next to my name tells you i dont know what being in war is like, fiiiiiine~
Again, pfffft :)
This thread is not going to end well.
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