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US soldier kills 16 - Where should he face trial?
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By Phoenix.Lillicarnage 2012-03-12 09:02:24
Okay well, I tried to impart some experience and information on this thread but it seems like people are more interested in

about ***they know little to nothing about, which I guess is the norm around here anyway.
If anyone actually wants to know anything about this or similar situations I strongly suggest looking up the information somewhere besides this thread before you form an opinion.
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-03-12 09:04:12
Phoenix.Lillicarnage said: »Okay well, I tried to impart some experience and information on this thread but it seems like people are more interested in

about ***they know little to nothing about, which I guess is the norm around here anyway.
If anyone actually wants to know anything about this or similar situations I strongly suggest looking up the information somewhere besides this thread before you form an opinion. You said military personnel are trained to not kill unless a deadly force triangle has been established.
False.
It's still false if you post another picture or whine some more about people not listening to you. You're in the military, great, you're still wrong.
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By Asura.Akamatzu 2012-03-12 09:04:44
Don't think it was fair for those 11 people to be murder that day. So why should his trial be?
Ok so anyone arrested suspected of murder, no matter what the circumstances were, should just be sentenced without the opportunity to defend themselves?
I should of worded it better. If there is enough information to prove that anyone did it, 100% known I mean. Then he should have to suffer like the people he harmed to that countries laws.
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By Carbuncle.Hysoka 2012-03-12 09:05:08
Then dont listen and let me laugh at that great and amazing US army, why would u care ? :)
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By Carbuncle.Lynxblade 2012-03-12 09:08:13
Sorry , Looks like your from France and all you know how to do is surrender or let us do everything. >_>
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By Asura.Tamoa 2012-03-12 09:08:24
Yeah right, the flag next to my name tells you i dont know what being in war is like, fiiiiiine~
Again, pfffft :)
The flag next to your name means nothing, any registered member on FFXIAH can put any flag they want next to their name. Doesn't mean that's where they're actually from.
By Moonwalkerv 2012-03-12 09:10:01
Don't think it was fair for those 11 people to be murder that day. So why should his trial be? Ok so anyone arrested suspected of murder, no matter what the circumstances were, should just be sentenced without the opportunity to defend themselves? I should of worded it better. If there is enough information to prove that anyone did it, 100% known I mean. Then he should have to suffer like the people he harmed to that countries laws.
Exactly, some people in this thread seem to keep missing that after the kills the guy went back to base and confessed to doing it.
Even if he did "snap" he was still lucid enough to go an confess, reports on TV are saying 3 of children were killed by single gunshots to the head execution style.
If true, that means this guy walked up to, stood over at least 3 CHILDREN took careful aim and killed them. Why on earth some of you seem to think this could be ok just because he may or may not be of sound mind baffles me.
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By Asura.Masekase 2012-03-12 09:10:50
Carbuncle.Lynxblade said: »Oh, sorry if i hurt yer feelings, didnt mean to.
Yet, hahahaha US army.
feelings aren't hurt, its just I think its funny that you most likely have no idea what being in war is like, yet your judging this guy, and already deciding what should be done >_>.
Yeah right, the flag next to my name tells you i dont know what being in war is like, fiiiiiine~
Again, pfffft :)
Really can you comment on the american army http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8054585.stm
By LakshmiArtemas 2012-03-12 09:11:24
Don't think it was fair for those 11 people to be murder that day. So why should his trial be? Ok so anyone arrested suspected of murder, no matter what the circumstances were, should just be sentenced without the opportunity to defend themselves? I should of worded it better. If there is enough information to prove that anyone did it, 100% known I mean. Then he should have to suffer like the people he harmed to that countries laws.
Exactly, some people in this thread seem to keep missing that after the kills the guy went back to base and confessed to doing it.
Even if he did "snap" he was still lucid enough to go an confess, reports on TV are saying 3 of children were killed by single gunshots to the head execution style.
If true, that means this guy walked up to, stood over at least 3 CHILDREN took careful aim and killed them. Why on earth some of you seem to think this could be ok just because he may or may not be of sound mind baffles me.
Because this is the internet and most people hate children. And either except or especially their own.
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By Asura.Domz 2012-03-12 09:13:10
*** like this is always happening. its a sad truth, there will always be soldiers who just do stupid ***.
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By Carbuncle.Hysoka 2012-03-12 09:13:45
Thats true about flags, dont see any reason to lie about it tho ~.~
And lynx, thats what happens sometimes durin a civil war, people actually leave their own country.
Yet i dont get it, cant have a different point of view ? We're different, you didnt see me callin names anyone thinkin the guy deserves a fair trial right ?
Respect other people from other cultures opinions :)
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By Carbuncle.Hysoka 2012-03-12 09:17:28
Quetzalcoatl.Vodkaa said: »Then dont listen and let me laugh at that great and amazing US army, why would u care ? :)
I don't care if you laugh at the Us army or any army for that matter but you said, "We should kill 10 kids from his family" which in turn would make you as bad if not worse than the solider in question you thicko.
Lets hope you never leave your African homelands.
Left it already ! Woooooooo XD
Europe's nice <3
Altho, 10 children died, and its a shame, dont wanna know anythin bout the guy or his problems, he need to Die, and it sadly wont be enough.
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By Asura.Tamoa 2012-03-12 09:20:22
Exactly, some people in this thread seem to keep missing that after the kills the guy went back to base and confessed to doing it.
Even if he did "snap" he was still lucid enough to go an confess, reports on TV are saying 3 of children were killed by single gunshots to the head execution style.
If true, that means this guy walked up to, stood over at least 3 CHILDREN took careful aim and killed them. Why on earth some of you seem to think this could be ok just because he may or may not be of sound mind baffles me.
No, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying what he did was ok even if he did have a mental breakdown. But if he did, if he really did snap and started hearing voices and seeing things, would it be a good idea to leave his fate in the hands of Afghan laws? And what about his family? His parents, his brothers and sisters, his wife/parter/girlfriend - hell, he could be a father himself for all we know?
I don't know about the rest of you but if someone in my family did something like this because they snapped under extreme pressure, I'd feel better if they were brought back here for trial than having them imprisoned in a foreign country where things like torture isn't exactly unheard of.
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2012-03-12 09:25:06
*** like this is always happening. its a sad truth, there will always be people who just do stupid ***.
FTFY
You know, soldiers are people, too, and equally susceptible to any of the flukes, defects, illnesses, stresses, psychoses and whatever else drives people to kill needlessly.
And it's not always happening. Thousands of people serve honorably. Millions have. There is not some kind of mass murder epidemic afflicting the military.
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By Asura.Tamoa 2012-03-12 09:27:52
Respect other people from other cultures opinions :)
There is nothing to respect in your opinion as stated here:
The guy deserves to die, oh and lets kill 10 childrens from his family too.
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2012-03-12 09:29:01
I thought this was going to be just another "meh, people die and no one cares" story.
Then I saw....
Quote: In the villages of Alkozai and Najeeban, about 500m (1,640 feet) from the base, he reportedly broke into three homes.
At one house in Najeeban, 11 people were found shot dead, and some of their bodies set alight. At least three of the child victims are reported to have been killed by a single shot to the head. What's wrong with this guy?
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Hahahahahaha US army, again.
The guy deserves to die, oh and lets kill 10 childrens from his family too.
Wonder who should i blame, this stupid guy, or his stupid boss for givin him a weapon hmmm... [-]
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By Carbuncle.Hysoka 2012-03-12 09:29:24
But if he did, if he really did snap and started hearing voices and seeing things, would it be a good idea to leave his fate in the hands of Afghan laws?
But would it be a good idea to leave his fate in the hands of US laws ? He killed 10 people ? Rather see him on those horrible afgan prisons than american ones.
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By Carbuncle.Hysoka 2012-03-12 09:30:42
Respect other people from other cultures opinions :)
There is nothing to respect in your opinion as stated here:
The guy deserves to die, oh and lets kill 10 childrens from his family too.
Yeah, i'd like to see how you'd react if someone killed 10 of yer kids, you'd prolly go like "okay lets give him a fair trial in his own country".
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By Asura.Tamoa 2012-03-12 09:32:16
But would it be a good idea to leave his fate in the hands of US laws ? He killed 10 people ? Rather see him on those horrible afgan prisons than american ones.
Did you even read past the first post on page 1 of this thread before you started posting?
Yeah, i'd like to see how you'd react if someone killed 10 of yer kids, you'd prolly go like "okay lets give him a fair trial in his own country".
Well I certainly wouldn't go "let's go kill 10 children from his family".
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-03-12 09:36:14
So how many of you want the US military to go kill the children in Kony's army? lulz
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By Asura.Calatilla 2012-03-12 09:36:37
Don't think it was fair for those 11 people to be murder that day. So why should his trial be?
Ok so anyone arrested suspected of murder, no matter what the circumstances were, should just be sentenced without the opportunity to defend themselves?
I should of worded it better. If there is enough information to prove that anyone did it, 100% known I mean. Then he should have to suffer like the people he harmed to that countries laws.
There is never 100% proof of a crime even if the accused admitted to it. There is always cause for reasonable doubt.
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By Carbuncle.Hysoka 2012-03-12 09:37:18
Did you even read past the first post on page 1 of this thread before you started posting?
Aye sir :)
And i can see that it's okay to say :
- he deserves a fair trial << Nice people
- he deserves harsh death sentence << "rude" people
Sadly, seems that i cannot say that guy deserves PAIN without being called bad names.
Fine fine, like i said earlier, go go go US army, keep it goin since noone cares.
Hell they want him to get in those "hilton" prisons after what he did, can't understand why you guys are so comprehensive to him, and somehow i aint callin you idiots or worse.
But meh :)
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By Siren.Fattynoob 2012-03-12 09:37:27
I couldn't imagine the excuses most of you would come up with to defend a child rapist. Seeing as how many of you are defending a child killer.
Maybe his daddy touched him and he went insane and raped an entire pre-school. Then it is ok for you right? Because he has been traumatized.
There is no excuse.
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By Fenrir.Richybear 2012-03-12 09:38:49
At least three of the child victims are reported to have been killed by a single shot to the head.
He shot multiple kids with a single shot?
Autoaim.exe
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By Sylph.Sagiaurex 2012-03-12 09:38:50
I couldn't imagine the excuses most of you would come up with to defend a child rapist. Seeing as how many of you are defending a child killer.
Maybe his daddy touched him and he went insane and raped an entire pre-school. Then it is ok for you right? Because he has been traumatized.
There is no excuse.
I mean sure, you can make any excuses you want to defend or condemn this person. But it isn't going to bring those people he killed back.
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By Carbuncle.Hysoka 2012-03-12 09:39:37
Quetzalcoatl.Vodkaa said: »
So you left your hell hole of a country and came to the west and from your posts regarding the us army you appear to be a west hater.
Such a shame we have yet another savage beast in Europe and i say this due to your view that the "soliders young family members should be killed".
Not hatin on west, at all. US army only :)
Savage beast ? Hahaha would be a great ws name imo :D
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By Carbuncle.Hysoka 2012-03-12 09:43:52
Well I certainly wouldn't go "let's go kill 10 children from his family".
And how would you go ? You'd respect him and even defend him ? You'd say its fair to send him to his own country ? I mean, jail is jail, but if you want to punish the guy, gotta do it the harsh way, afgan prisons style.
I really think parents would go mad at someone murderin their child, and wouldnt be that quiet.
Story here
Quote: The soldier, believed to be a staff sergeant, is reported to have walked off his base at around 03:00 Sunday (22:30 GMT Saturday).
In the villages of Alkozai and Najeeban, about 500m (1,640 feet) from the base, he reportedly broke into three homes.
At one house in Najeeban, 11 people were found shot dead, and some of their bodies set alight. At least three of the child victims are reported to have been killed by a single shot to the head.
The US military said reports indicated that the soldier returned to his base after the shootings and turned himself in. His motives are unclear - there is speculation that he might have been drunk or suffered a mental breakdown. But officers are worried that the attack might have been planned.
A very shocking crime, just wondering on your thoughts as to where this person should be held and tried?
Do you think the American government will hand him over or whisk him away to the states for trial?
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