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By Bahamut.Savannahlynn 2012-03-01 08:55:01
Quote: "I'm crammed into 1,200 square feet. I don't have a dishwasher. We do all our dishes by hand."
Not everyone has a dishwasher...I sure the hell don't...
Quote: The family rents a three-bedroom summer house in Connecticut and will go there again this year for one month instead of four
I'd be grateful for one week away in a decent hotel....
Quote: "But it's no less severe to these other people with these big numbers."
They spoiled themselves. They really have no room to complain...They chose the expensive schools, expensive trips multiple times a year for lengthy periods, ect. They could have easily saved money every month to fall back on...they just enjoyed being able to indulge themselves whenever they wanted. They took advantage of their income.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2012-03-01 08:55:12
It hurts an individual because its taking away additional opportunities. Also you're assuming this child in a public school has internet access at home and also has the technical skills required to navigate the internet for said information. There are also many forms of education and also individual learning types who do much better when it is explained to them rather than self researched.
I didn't say the child had internet access at home. I said the child's teacher wouldn't mind allowing them to use the internet to learn more. And if the child got permission from the teacher, clearly the teacher is there to supervise and can go over material with them on the internet that they find....
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By Fenrir.Didgist 2012-03-01 08:56:15
It hurts an individual because its taking away additional opportunities. Also you're assuming this child in a public school has internet access at home and also has the technical skills required to navigate the internet for said information. There are also many forms of education and also individual learning types who do much better when it is explained to them rather than self researched.
I didn't say the child had internet access at home. I said the child's teacher wouldn't mind allowing them to use the internet to learn more. And if the child got permission from the teacher, clearly the teacher is there to supervise and can go over material with them on the internet that they find....
Because answering yes or no can take 3 hours.
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By Ragnarok.Yathatguy 2012-03-01 08:56:24
How the *** do you diss poor people while drinking PBR? Amazing.
Gotcha!
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-03-01 08:57:03
Friday Nights are $1PBR Nights at the club!
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By Ragnarok.Yathatguy 2012-03-01 08:58:36
Bahamut.Savannahlynn said: »Quote: They could have easily saved money every month to fall back on...they just enjoyed being able to indulge themselves whenever they wanted. They took advantage of their income.
Everyone indulges. Propensity to consume rises with more income...when was the last time you went to Taco Bell and got a "value" meal instead of ordering off the $0.99 menu? YOU INDULGED! Could've saved that for more PBR...sigh.
*edit...idk why it quoted me...
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By Sylph.Guage 2012-03-01 08:58:58
It doesn't matter whether its a poor person or wealthy person. If you are living outside of your means, you don't have a right to *** and moan about giving luxuries up. If you make a lot of money, sure, you are going to spend more because you can afford it. Call it jealousy if you want, but it doesn't matter.
This guy might have to pull his child(ren) out of private school, which is a luxury. No one is going to starve or freeze just because he cannot keep his child in private school. I highly doubt that this guy was ever poor, because if he was ever in the position of where he had to decide whether to put food in his family's mouths, or keep a roof over their heads, he wouldn't have to think twice about pulling them out of private school.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-03-01 09:01:29
They weren't living outside their means. They had the means to live the way they did. Now they're making less, and they don't have the means to live the way they were used to living. If you're going to make criticisms, make the criticisms in the right place.
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2012-03-01 09:02:08
I'm sure if people here suddenly got their hands on a salary of $500k+ then after a few years, getting it lowered to $350k, that you guys would also *** about going back to a poor lifestyle mindset.
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By Odin.Airius 2012-03-01 09:03:24
It hurts an individual because its taking away additional opportunities. Also you're assuming this child in a public school has internet access at home and also has the technical skills required to navigate the internet for said information. There are also many forms of education and also individual learning types who do much better when it is explained to them rather than self researched.
I didn't say the child had internet access at home. I said the child's teacher wouldn't mind allowing them to use the internet to learn more. And if the child got permission from the teacher, clearly the teacher is there to supervise and can go over material with them on the internet that they find....
that's a lot of conditionals
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-03-01 09:04:30
It hurts an individual because its taking away additional opportunities. Also you're assuming this child in a public school has internet access at home and also has the technical skills required to navigate the internet for said information. There are also many forms of education and also individual learning types who do much better when it is explained to them rather than self researched.
I didn't say the child had internet access at home. I said the child's teacher wouldn't mind allowing them to use the internet to learn more. And if the child got permission from the teacher, clearly the teacher is there to supervise and can go over material with them on the internet that they find....
that's a lot of conditionals
Teachers are not paid enough to worry about anything beyond their basic duties.
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2012-03-01 09:05:20
I highly doubt that this guy was ever poor, because if he was ever in the position of where he had to decide whether to put food in his family's mouths, or keep a roof over their heads, he wouldn't have to think twice about pulling them out of private school.
My family is falling apart. My job is terrible and soul crushing. My divorce is long and drawn out. My car doesn't work. I am frequently sick. My friend is depressed. My dog died.
It's all good - at least I ate breakfast!
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By Ragnarok.Yathatguy 2012-03-01 09:09:21
You must drink a lot of PBR!
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By Fenrir.Camaroz 2012-03-01 09:09:22
I highly doubt that this guy was ever poor, because if he was ever in the position of where he had to decide whether to put food in his family's mouths, or keep a roof over their heads, he wouldn't have to think twice about pulling them out of private school.
My family is falling apart. My job is terrible and soul crushing. My divorce is long and drawn out. My car doesn't work. I am frequently sick. My friend is depressed. My dog died.
It's all good - at least I ate breakfast!
Sounds like you just listened to country music
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By Bahamut.Savannahlynn 2012-03-01 09:10:09
Ragnarok.Yathatguy said: »Bahamut.Savannahlynn said: »Quote: They could have easily saved money every month to fall back on...they just enjoyed being able to indulge themselves whenever they wanted. They took advantage of their income.
Everyone indulges. Propensity to consume rises with more income...when was the last time you went to Taco Bell and got a "value" meal instead of ordering off the $0.99 menu? YOU INDULGED! Could've saved that for more PBR...sigh.
*edit...idk why it quoted me...
I'm not saying I've never indulged...I have at times, but it's few and far between. I'm just more cautious with my money...and now that I have a better support system I'm able to actually save without having someone else stealing my money.
*shrugs* I just don't see how someone like that can complain any more than a person going from a 40k/yr job doubled b/c the spouse makes roughly the same, to just 40k/yr b/c one of them was laid off.
Adjust to your situation and deal with it. Don't cry about how you and your children are suffering without a dishwasher or not being able to take your month long vacation 4 times a year.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2012-03-01 09:10:59
Idk about you guys, but I had a lot of private teacher time when I needed it. All I had to do was ask. And I went to a public school (graduated HS in 2001).
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By Odin.Airius 2012-03-01 09:13:22
Bismarck.Pawnskipper said: »I know! maybe the communists had the right idea. Lets all do that since everything should be equal and everyone should get everything cause the world can work like that. Making money with money at the expense of someone else is not capitalism, its greed, dumazz. Please dont start with the right wing idiocy of calling everything a SCARYname.
^This
I am of the idea lately that most of the people who scream communism have no clue what it actually is. Maybe they should have paid attention in private school. lol
so much whoosh
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By Fenrir.Hanabira 2012-03-01 09:15:02
well they cant indulge and then write an article asking us to feel sorry for them. im so sorry your 500k/yr and your bonuses that are 4x the average household income isnt enough to pay for your kids schools who frankly wont be ***anyways because they'll be spoiled and never know what it means to earn on their own.
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By Bismarck.Pawnskipper 2012-03-01 09:16:02
They weren't living outside their means. They had the means to live the way they did. Now they're making less, and they don't have the means to live the way they were used to living. If you're going to make criticisms, make the criticisms in the right place.
This is true. But have you noticed that when the less fortunate live within their means then unwilling start to make less for whatever reason; its their fault and they should have been more educated. But when it happens to the rich, its some tragedy that should have never happend and the government needs to handle.
If you really think about the situation, the people in question should just do what everyone is expected to do....deal with it. If you have to pull your children out of private school, so be it. If you have to cut that 1 month vacation and sell a car, so be it. This kind of thing happens everyday. Only difference is they can still afford to live happily.
In short: I see no problem here.
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By Phoenix.Vael 2012-03-01 09:18:56
Leviathan.Phenomena said: »Bismarck.Snprphnx said: »Just read this article. Makes me sick, how people can whine about not being able to afford that summer rental while we have a sky high unemployment rate.
*** those ***. Hope those kids in the private school get yanked out and dropped in a public school, and have their coats taken, like Rocky Balboas son in Rocky V.
yes, treating them poorly because their parents make more money than yours and ur jealous is the right thing to do.
why do so many people think that it is jealousy? have you ever considered that they are mad about injustice?
Sometimes it is injustice, sometimes it isn't. Maybe all of the wealthy people you know became wealthy by stealing, cheating, and other shady means. I can totally see how that would shade your judgment.
Because it sure shades mine. See, all of the wealthy people I know became wealthy by years - even decades - of extremely hard work and self denial. They did this because they knew that in the end, they would be able to live the lives they had always wanted.
Except now, the son of a Nebraska farmer who paid his way through college and grad school, worked for corporations he hated, slowly building a stellar resume, then finally being able to change his industry for the better, profit from that and start his own company is the bad guy. Because to a lot of people, this guy can't understand hard work. He doesn't know about sacrifice. How could he? Today he drives a new Suburban. Today he lives in a large, very nice house. Today (well, not today today) he travels to all of the places in the world he's wanted to see. Nevermind the fact that 10 years ago, his life was completely different, and that 20 years ago, he was in fact poor.
No. F*** him, f*** all the people that have more money than I do.
It's. Not. Fair. I. Want. Money. Too.
Right? That's not jealousy at all...
All I am saying is that unless you can point to a specific person/entity that has unfairly gained at the expense of another person/entity, you're just making stupid generalizations and whining. And even if you can, all you are doing is identifying one person/entity that is "bad."
It's just weird that their rich kids are so snobby when you go to school with them. You'd think they'd teach their children the values of hard work that got them where they are to be able to raise them with as much resource as they do.
It's probably true for the first and second generation, but afterwards it's a wealthy son handed down his riches raising a son who will be handed wealth as well.
Eat the rich.
Btw, if it wasn't so ridiculously difficult to get into and complete programs that 'qualify' you for similar positions, I'm willing to bet the career market would be a lot more open. Open to those who are willing to do that job for 150,000 a year.
Obviously I don't mean the inherent difficulty of the program or skills required, I mean the *** red tape wrapped around universities and acquiring that job in the first place.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-03-01 09:22:58
I'm sure if people here suddenly got their hands on a salary of $500k+ then after a few years, getting it lowered to $350k, that you guys would also *** about going back to a poor lifestyle mindset.
Nope, pretty sure I wouldn't because I wouldn't be poor and I'd be happy for someone to tear me a new *** if I opened my mouth and exclaimed that I was suddenly "poor" with a 300k income.
350k/yr is poor? What planet are we living on?
Modesty is how you stay wealthy and excess leads you down the inevitable road to ruin. You can always splurge a bit as everyone does but when your life becomes splurging? You're in trouble.
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By Rhaokin 2012-03-01 09:28:26
There's people with jobs who STILL can't even afford a room to sleep in, and this guy's playing the victim over his stuck up children having to go to a public school?
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-03-01 09:30:24
Sometimes it is injustice, sometimes it isn't. Maybe all of the wealthy people you know became wealthy by stealing, cheating, and other shady means. I can totally see how that would shade your judgment.
Because it sure shades mine. See, all of the wealthy people I know became wealthy by years - even decades - of extremely hard work and self denial. They did this because they knew that in the end, they would be able to live the lives they had always wanted.
Except now, the son of a Nebraska farmer who paid his way through college and grad school, worked for corporations he hated, slowly building a stellar resume, then finally being able to change his industry for the better, profit from that and start his own company is the bad guy. Because to a lot of people, this guy can't understand hard work. He doesn't know about sacrifice. How could he? Today he drives a new Suburban. Today he lives in a large, very nice house. Today (well, not today today) he travels to all of the places in the world he's wanted to see. Nevermind the fact that 10 years ago, his life was completely different, and that 20 years ago, he was in fact poor.
No. F*** him, f*** all the people that have more money than I do.
It's. Not. Fair. I. Want. Money. Too.
Right? That's not jealousy at all...
All I am saying is that unless you can point to a specific person/entity that has unfairly gained at the expense of another person/entity, you're just making stupid generalizations and whining. And even if you can, all you are doing is identifying one person/entity that is "bad."
Are you surprised given the amount of cheating in the financial sector? The banks haven't become the towering symbols of corporate power through solely working hard and helping the community. No, it's been through abusing loopholes, sticking fees on everything, fostering a culture where politicians are nothing more than chess pieces to be played and overall adopting a mentality of: "take what you can and give nothing back".
Do not get me wrong, there are plenty of people who work within this sector and do the right thing but it is nigh impossible to ignore the fact that many of the people who tote the large checks did nothing more than play the system and benefit from it.
You may know some wealthy people who got it made by busting their *** to open a business and growing something of value to a community but what have some of the banksters done? Taken huge paychecks exclaiming talent and then firing open a golden parachute when they *** up royally. Further still you've got guys who just take checks, dump the work on their subordinates and then roll in the dough all while their friends prop them up.
That's not hard work. That's not adding value to the country. That's not taking responsibility for your actions. What it has become is an environment of greed and it's sickening.
Some of the talking heads on TV want to chastise the lower classes as welfare queens but when it comes to those who play the system, socialize the losses and privatize the gains suddenly they're all hard workers who deserve everything they've earned? Give me a break.
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By Bismarck.Nevill 2012-03-01 09:33:15
I'm sure if people here suddenly got their hands on a salary of $500k+ then after a few years, getting it lowered to $350k, that you guys would also *** about going back to a poor lifestyle mindset.
I can guarantee I wouldn't. If you care to know why I say this, PM me.
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By Caitsith.Sai 2012-03-01 09:37:01
It hurts an individual because its taking away additional opportunities. Also you're assuming this child in a public school has internet access at home and also has the technical skills required to navigate the internet for said information. There are also many forms of education and also individual learning types who do much better when it is explained to them rather than self researched.
I didn't say the child had internet access at home. I said the child's teacher wouldn't mind allowing them to use the internet to learn more. And if the child got permission from the teacher, clearly the teacher is there to supervise and can go over material with them on the internet that they find....
Just had to ask. What school did you go to that the teachers allowed students on the PC for any reason?
Would be a cold day in hell for that to happen at my old high school.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-03-01 09:51:19
I remember in elementary school when I'd eagerly anticipate being able to play Math Blaster in the lab. lol
Learning was so fun when you could blow some ***up AND learn about what dysentery is from a round of Oregon Trail.
By JAnderson 2012-03-01 10:01:27
You guys do understand that 80% of the world's wealth is held by the top 2% of the population right? And this story is supposed to surprise you?
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2012-03-01 10:12:53
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I remember in elementary school when I'd eagerly anticipate being able to play Math Blaster in the lab. lol
Learning was so fun when you could blow some ***up AND learn about what dysentery is from a round of Oregon Trail.
Oregon Trail...
Squirrels, it doesn't matter shoot them all!
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2012-03-01 10:30:52
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Sometimes it is injustice, sometimes it isn't. Maybe all of the wealthy people you know became wealthy by stealing, cheating, and other shady means. I can totally see how that would shade your judgment.
Because it sure shades mine. See, all of the wealthy people I know became wealthy by years - even decades - of extremely hard work and self denial. They did this because they knew that in the end, they would be able to live the lives they had always wanted.
Except now, the son of a Nebraska farmer who paid his way through college and grad school, worked for corporations he hated, slowly building a stellar resume, then finally being able to change his industry for the better, profit from that and start his own company is the bad guy. Because to a lot of people, this guy can't understand hard work. He doesn't know about sacrifice. How could he? Today he drives a new Suburban. Today he lives in a large, very nice house. Today (well, not today today) he travels to all of the places in the world he's wanted to see. Nevermind the fact that 10 years ago, his life was completely different, and that 20 years ago, he was in fact poor.
No. F*** him, f*** all the people that have more money than I do.
It's. Not. Fair. I. Want. Money. Too.
Right? That's not jealousy at all...
All I am saying is that unless you can point to a specific person/entity that has unfairly gained at the expense of another person/entity, you're just making stupid generalizations and whining. And even if you can, all you are doing is identifying one person/entity that is "bad."
Are you surprised given the amount of cheating in the financial sector? The banks haven't become the towering symbols of corporate power through solely working hard and helping the community. No, it's been through abusing loopholes, sticking fees on everything, fostering a culture where politicians are nothing more than chess pieces to be played and overall adopting a mentality of: "take what you can and give nothing back".
Do not get me wrong, there are plenty of people who work within this sector and do the right thing but it is nigh impossible to ignore the fact that many of the people who tote the large checks did nothing more than play the system and benefit from it.
You may know some wealthy people who got it made by busting their *** to open a business and growing something of value to a community but what have some of the banksters done? Taken huge paychecks exclaiming talent and then firing open a golden parachute when they *** up royally. Further still you've got guys who just take checks, dump the work on their subordinates and then roll in the dough all while their friends prop them up.
That's not hard work. That's not adding value to the country. That's not taking responsibility for your actions. What it has become is an environment of greed and it's sickening.
Some of the talking heads on TV want to chastise the lower classes as welfare queens but when it comes to those who play the system, socialize the losses and privatize the gains suddenly they're all hard workers who deserve everything they've earned? Give me a break.
No, not at all. I am absolutely sure that there are wicked people, enjoying their ill gotten gains at the expensive of the average Joe.
But what are the proportions of the good guys and the bad guys? According to how I interpret the feeling lately: "It doesn't matter. They have money, I don't. Gimme." Even though we might feel or even know that they are out there, there isn't a real target for people's anger - it's just at a general group. That's wrong.
It's also extra frustrating, to me, when there are not only media figures, but public servants casting wealthy people in general in a negative light - regardless of the overall economy. Particularly when it's after all of our little bailouts. Or when they applaud things like GMs record profits (that, incidentally, don't include things like interest on the debt that they used have, paid by the government) and then attack BP's profits as immoral and unfair.
So unless and until the dialogue changes from "more taxes for the rich" to something more like "we need to remove various exploits from the system," I'll continue to argue for those (rich or poor) that can attribute their success (whatever it may be) to responsibility and hard work.
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By Ramuh.Sagittario 2012-03-01 10:38:02
I don't understand why people are mad and jealous towards the rich. Sure some of them are *** and lose perspective, but the majority are hard working individuals who went through alot of hard work and sacrifice to get to where they are today. The simple fact is, the majority doesn't have the combination of intelligence and determination to get to that level, so they hate.
Bonus Withdrawal Puts Bankers in "Malaise"
I almost feel bad for these people.....not!
Quote: "People who don't have money don't understand the stress," said Alan Dlugash, a partner at accounting firm Marks Paneth & Shron LLP in New York who specializes in financial planning for the wealthy. "Could you imagine what it's like to say I got three kids in private school, I have to think about pulling them out? How do you do that?"
I wonder how he does it? The horror of pulling his kids out of private school of the humanity.
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