Mandau And Twashtar (99) Info

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/19515-dev1065-Relic-Mythic-and-Empyrean-Weapon-Upgrades?p=261278#post261278


CLIFFNOTES:

-Legendaries are upgraded in two stages through ToM

-Stage 1: upgrades may include damage, delay, attribute and weapon skill damage

-Stage 2: upgrades will include special animations along with "Afterglow" sphere effects that grant status benefits to party members (SPHERE EFFECTS ARE EXCLUSIVE OF WIELDER)

-First stage Magian trials allow a majority of players to complete them. Second stage Magian trials will be exceedingly difficult to complete and only a select number of PCs will be able to upgrade weapons to this stage.


FULLY UPGRADED MANDAU:

DMG:55 / Delay:176 / Attack+40
"Mercy Stroke" +40%
Additional effect: Poison
Increased chance of dealing extra damage
Afterglow Increases Accuracy and Ranged Accuracy


FULLY UPGRADED TWASHTAR:

DMG:55 / Delay:176 / DEX+20
"Rudra's Storm"
Aftermath: Occ. deals double damage
Afterglow Increases critical hit rate

I think its really nice they are giving us the weaponskill damage boost numbers instead of us having to figure it out for once.

Ruh-roh.

What worries me the most is this though (regarding Stage2):


I don't recall SE ever stating in the whole game's history that something would be exceedingly difficult -__-'

Oh snap afterglow isn't some useless particle effect

When relics first came out and people said that they were too hard to get, SE said that relics were designed to be exceedingly rare items and that they envisioned only a few would be in existence across the servers.

Stage 2 is only the sphere effect though. For Mandau at least, all the good stuff happens in Stage 1. The Empyreans look like they have a better sphere.

So essentially we can get the weapon to 99 but the afterglow is an exclusive trial which would be the umbral marrow?

It confirms that it wont be a Kill x amount of enemy such as Arch DL or some other HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE enemy though otherwise a whole LS could have it

Stage 1 Relics gain dmg, WS dmg, increased hidden proc rates, and attack/accuracy.

Stage 1 Emps get dmg and attributes.


Both get spheres after Stage 2, but the Emps have a much better sphere effect.

In total I'd say Relics win out in the end, or at least Mandau definitely will.

Wish I could view the link, silly iPhone.
Was any other relics stats included?

They released the stats for all legendaries at 99, with Stage 2 completed. It says outright that Stage 2 should only be the sphere effects, so you can assume the stats (minus afterglow sphere) for the 99s from that.

While I agree that emp sphere effect is more beneficial than say, relics or mythics, emps did not get a ws dmg increase. +40% on Relics is quite a boost imo, especially for those events where you cannot benefit from the God Mode bonuses you get in Abyssea. I'm pretty anxious to see what the results will be.

That's why I said on the whole, Relics probably win. That would make sense too because they are supposed to be harder to acquire, although the Dynamis update has changed that.

I brought up the initial rarity of relics as another example of an exceedingly difficult item to acquire; so it seems like the philosophy has gone from legendaries should be rare to fully complete legendaries should be rare.

I'm wondering if the boost on Mercy is enough to put it over Extenterator while unstacked.

I'd assume so since you can't cap Crit rate or boost Crit much in VW

Can anyone check what the trial actually is for stage 1? Says to input trial into the moogle but yea >.> test server says my data is old and wont let me in

lol'd

Exen not Evis.

Woops, /puts on glasses.

Did they add dnc to mandau yet?

They pulled the "relics on multiple jobs" statement back I belive, saying "We don't have any plans to do this"

I'm willing to bet that afterglow trial items come from Legion.

DNC really needs to get thrown on the relic train.

Why? The job is similar to COR, albeit with a larger DD slant, in that it fulfills multiple roles. Optimum damage is not its sole role. It already has Twashtar, which for the better part of its lifespan, has been way too comparable to Mandau. I see no reason DNC needs to also have Mandau just because the relics have ended, as they should, as the superior option.

While THF has been classified as a hate control class, but it was initially designed to control hate through its damage. Accomplice/Collaborator simply don't work outside of "oshi-" situations because the enmity caps and formulas just don't work with how the game has scaled. That's why the argument has been that SA/TA need to be revamped as JTs or Stances.

That's an excellent point. They might make "some" of the items drop here. That would at least make it more realistic than 1000 PW.

Pretty sure the afterglow version trials are already confirmed, and are basically supposed to be epeen trials for the most extreme of players.

Knowing SE,

stage 2 trial is going to involve 1,500 heavy relic plates that are rare/ex and drop from the sky Voidwatch NM's

xD

Posted in another thread:

Oh, it's 100 PW and 300 ADL? I thought it was confirmed as 1000 ADL and 500 PW.

I honestly wouldn't complain about 100 PWs if that didn't mean farming 42 trillion Zenni plates.

300 ADLs can suck a gigantic bag of though.

On the one hand, I am happy to see the update data to the Relics; On the other, I'm not holding my breath that the Stage 1 trials won't be something asinine anyway.

Leaves me hopeful.

/Crosses fingers that it won't involve VW...