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 Cerberus.Rayik
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By Cerberus.Rayik 2011-08-31 08:03:38
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Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Honestly, you can probably get a pc that can play FFXI for free from sites like freecycle or craigslist.

If you don't want to go that way you can likely find a rather cheap one via refurb online or on ebay. But more importantly... it's 2011, how is it that you have internet but no pc?

Exactly. The same people who probably upgraded to a PS2 in the first place to play newer FF titles, now are sandbagging and refuse to budge.

It's not just a matter of preference anymore. The game can't continue to grow. When a plant outgrows it's flowerpot, you get a bigger flowerpot(or just plant directly in the ground), not stand there and hope it'll find a way to grow around it.
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 Bahamut.Mizuharu
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By Bahamut.Mizuharu 2011-08-31 08:04:23
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Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Honestly, you can probably get a pc that can play FFXI for free from sites like freecycle or craigslist.

If you don't want to go that way you can likely find a rather cheap one via refurb online or on ebay. But more importantly... it's 2011, how is it that you have internet but no pc?

While I don't have a PC, I do have a laptop that can run two characters at the same time just fine. But I agree completely with your last statement; who doesn't have a PC/Laptop by now? Unless you're like a Mac only user...
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By Cathaldus 2011-08-31 08:07:16
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Bahamut.Mizuharu said: »
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Honestly, you can probably get a pc that can play FFXI for free from sites like freecycle or craigslist.

If you don't want to go that way you can likely find a rather cheap one via refurb online or on ebay. But more importantly... it's 2011, how is it that you have internet but no pc?

While I don't have a PC, I do have a laptop that can run two characters at the same time just fine. But I agree completely with your last statement; who doesn't have a PC/Laptop by now? Unless you're like a Mac only user...

You can install FFXI on Mac takes a bit of time but you can if you wanted.
 Valefor.Prothescar
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-08-31 08:07:20
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Carbuncle.Lynxblade said: »
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
50 bucks or less for a PC + 20 bucks for ultimate PC collection, worth it for more awesome FFXI potential.

where the hell can you find a pc for 50dollars? >_>

Craigslist. I've bought/sold for less just to play older games that Windows 7 can't emulate well.
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 Carbuncle.Lynxblade
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By Carbuncle.Lynxblade 2011-08-31 08:09:19
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Cerberus.Rayik said: »
Plenty of gamers have been upgrading consoles for years to play newer version of games, all the way back to stepping up from an Atari 2600 to a 5200 for a newer Pacman. Seriously, the game has had a long, good run on PS2. Get with the times.

If I found out that the game I continue to play and enjoy, was coming to a screeching halt because of my console's limitations, I'd upgrade in a heartbeat. If you can afford a monthly subscription fee for a video game, you can afford a cheap, used console or POS PC to play on.

Atari 5200 sucked though lol
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 Ragnarok.Sekundes
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2011-08-31 08:10:55
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Bahamut.Mizuharu said: »
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Honestly, you can probably get a pc that can play FFXI for free from sites like freecycle or craigslist.

If you don't want to go that way you can likely find a rather cheap one via refurb online or on ebay. But more importantly... it's 2011, how is it that you have internet but no pc?

While I don't have a PC, I do have a laptop that can run two characters at the same time just fine. But I agree completely with your last statement; who doesn't have a PC/Laptop by now? Unless you're like a Mac only user...

I don't really place a difference in definition between pc and laptop. to me PC means a computer meant for personal use be it a laptop or desktop. I actually include macs in with PC's. Yes, their marketing tries to make them "Different" but it's still a personal computer regardless of marketing fluff. It's not technically supported but you can play on a mac with wine, just not recommended for your average computer user's skill level...
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By Shiva.Xellith 2011-08-31 08:11:15
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Transfer all PS2 players to their own server. Make them upgrade if they want to play with the rest of us.

When you start the game it comes up "What platform do you play?"

PC
PS2
PS3
XBOX

If you click PC PS3 or XBOX you go to your server. If you click PS2 you are sent to the test server :D
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 Cerberus.Rayik
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By Cerberus.Rayik 2011-08-31 08:12:43
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Carbuncle.Lynxblade said: »
Cerberus.Rayik said: »
Plenty of gamers have been upgrading consoles for years to play newer version of games, all the way back to stepping up from an Atari 2600 to a 5200 for a newer Pacman. Seriously, the game has had a long, good run on PS2. Get with the times.

If I found out that the game I continue to play and enjoy, was coming to a screeching halt because of my console's limitations, I'd upgrade in a heartbeat. If you can afford a monthly subscription fee for a video game, you can afford a cheap, used console or POS PC to play on.

Atari 5200 sucked though lol

It did! My family skipped it and got a 7800. I played a 5200 demo in a store and my parents weren't impressed enough to warrant a purchase. I used the example as a straight progression, would've looked odd if I skipped a system.
 Shiva.Flionheart
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-08-31 08:19:29
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They seem to be trying more and more to justify dropping PS2 support.

This won't fix deep ingrain problems like the FPS cap, because the game is coded like that. But it will make it more likely that newer areas that require more HDD space will be a viable outcome.

The PS2 support needs to be dropped if this game wishes to evolve.

But don't hope for a full remake, because that isn't going to happen. The only thing this will entail is new areas, mobs and anything stopped by the PS2's HDD size.
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 Ragnarok.Sekundes
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2011-08-31 08:22:02
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Shiva.Flionheart said: »
They seem to be trying more and more to justify dropping PS2 support.

This won't fix deep ingrain problems like the FPS cap, because the game is coded like that. But it will make it more likely that newer areas that require more HDD space will be a viable outcome.

The PS2 support needs to be dropped if this game wishes to evolve.

But don't hope for a full remake, because that isn't going to happen. The only thing this will entail is new areas, mobs and anything stopped by the PS2's HDD size.
Memory allocation is the big issue. Ram not HDD space.

I want 100 inv! I also want everything in the auto translate...
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 Shiva.Flionheart
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-08-31 08:26:06
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Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Shiva.Flionheart said: »
They seem to be trying more and more to justify dropping PS2 support.

This won't fix deep ingrain problems like the FPS cap, because the game is coded like that. But it will make it more likely that newer areas that require more HDD space will be a viable outcome.

The PS2 support needs to be dropped if this game wishes to evolve.

But don't hope for a full remake, because that isn't going to happen. The only thing this will entail is new areas, mobs and anything stopped by the PS2's HDD size.
Memory allocation is the big issue. Ram not HDD space.

I want 100 inv! I also want everything in the auto translate...

Both are issues.
 Phoenix.Darkwizardzin
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By Phoenix.Darkwizardzin 2011-08-31 08:38:11
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I can see it now...

5 years later
Drop xbox 360 support!!!! it's ruining the game!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I'm glad they are doing this though maybe this will finaly have them drop that old system... im not counting on it tho.
 Asura.Ina
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By Asura.Ina 2011-08-31 08:42:28
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I'd be happy if they upgraded to a PS3 version tbh but it will only happen if it's an extreamly small portion that only play on PS2.

Phoenix.Darkwizardzin said: »
I can see it now...

5 years later
Drop xbox 360 support!!!! it's ruining the game!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Might not even take 5 years, it would happen soon enough. XD
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By Cathaldus 2011-08-31 08:54:50
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Phoenix.Darkwizardzin said: »
I can see it now...

5 years later
Drop xbox 360 support!!!! it's ruining the game!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I'm glad they are doing this though maybe this will finaly have them drop that old system... im not counting on it tho.

The game will end before then.
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By Fenrir.Ducea 2011-08-31 09:22:38
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when this game came out in NA it was 100$ with the HDD for ps2. for $100 now you can easily get a used pc that can run this game. if you get a pc from the last 4 years most likely you can run a new version of the game if it ever comes. point is, if you had 100$ to play this when it came out, you can't cry poverty over dropping ps2 support now.

ninja edit: anyone want to buy a backward 60gb ps3? :o
 Ragnarok.Sekundes
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2011-08-31 09:27:05
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Shiva.Flionheart said: »
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Memory allocation is the big issue. Ram not HDD space.

I want 100 inv! I also want everything in the auto translate...

Both are issues.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I haven't played on ps2 for years and haven't even kept my ps2 updated as a back up anymore for quite a while either so I have no certainty on the subject but aren't ps2 hdds 40 gig drives? Not that it really matters as either limitation cause issues but I am curious what the current ps2 install size is.
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By Asura.Ina 2011-08-31 09:30:14
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Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Shiva.Flionheart said: »
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Memory allocation is the big issue. Ram not HDD space.

I want 100 inv! I also want everything in the auto translate...

Both are issues.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I haven't played on ps2 for years and haven't even kept my ps2 updated as a back up anymore for quite a while either so I have no certainty on the subject but aren't ps2 hdds 40 gig drives? Not that it really matters as either limitation cause issues but I am curious what the current ps2 install size is.
It is the ram that is the issue... The 40gigs on the HDD arn't even half way used up and the partition if you install ps2 format on the PS3 is only I think 11gigs.
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By Sylph.Systematicchaos 2011-08-31 09:36:27
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Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Honestly, you can probably get a pc that can play FFXI for free from sites like freecycle or craigslist.

If you don't want to go that way you can likely find a rather cheap one via refurb online or on ebay. But more importantly... it's 2011, how is it that you have internet but no pc?

Mac
 Diabolos.Prodigy
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By Diabolos.Prodigy 2011-08-31 09:42:16
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Sylph.Systematicchaos said: »
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Honestly, you can probably get a pc that can play FFXI for free from sites like freecycle or craigslist.

If you don't want to go that way you can likely find a rather cheap one via refurb online or on ebay. But more importantly... it's 2011, how is it that you have internet but no pc?

Mac
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By Sylph.Systematicchaos 2011-08-31 09:46:46
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Diabolos.Prodigy said: »
Sylph.Systematicchaos said: »
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Honestly, you can probably get a pc that can play FFXI for free from sites like freecycle or craigslist.

If you don't want to go that way you can likely find a rather cheap one via refurb online or on ebay. But more importantly... it's 2011, how is it that you have internet but no pc?

Mac
SAME THING
What is this I don't even...
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 Bismarck.Elanabelle
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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2011-08-31 09:53:10
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Fenrir.Ducea said: »

ninja edit: anyone want to buy a backward 60gb ps3? :o

Semi-related question:

Does anyone know why the newer models of PS3 are not backwards-compatible like the one described here by Ducea?

I have a "slim" model PS3, and it's great. Does PS3 games (obviously), can download "classics" PSX games, does Netflix streaming, MLB.TV live games, plays Blue-Ray movies, etc.

The only thing it doesn't do ... is play PS2 games.

What's up with that?
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By Alaik 2011-08-31 09:53:36
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Mac's are totally cooler because it's not mainstream. It's also safer!

Who tries to make a virus for a toaster anyway?

EDIT: Also Elana, the reason Sony gave was due to PS2 discs causing certain hardware parts to degrade much faster when reading PS2 discs. Don't know if that's their version of "PS2 Limitations" though. Haven't bothered to really look into PS3 specs.
 Bahamut.Mizuharu
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By Bahamut.Mizuharu 2011-08-31 10:01:46
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I've had my PS3 60GB for about four years now playing PS2 games on and off and I've never had a problem with it... >.> I call BS on sony's part
 Valefor.Prothescar
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-08-31 10:04:50
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60gb fat is backwards compatible.
 Cerberus.Rayik
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By Cerberus.Rayik 2011-08-31 10:09:46
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Sylph.Systematicchaos said: »
Diabolos.Prodigy said: »
Sylph.Systematicchaos said: »
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Honestly, you can probably get a pc that can play FFXI for free from sites like freecycle or craigslist.

If you don't want to go that way you can likely find a rather cheap one via refurb online or on ebay. But more importantly... it's 2011, how is it that you have internet but no pc?

Mac
SAME THING
What is this I don't even...

What is a Mac? Oh, it's a personal computer. It's like saying I don't wear shoes, I wear Nike's.
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 Shiva.Flionheart
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-08-31 10:12:48
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Asura.Ina said: »
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Shiva.Flionheart said: »
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Memory allocation is the big issue. Ram not HDD space.

I want 100 inv! I also want everything in the auto translate...

Both are issues.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I haven't played on ps2 for years and haven't even kept my ps2 updated as a back up anymore for quite a while either so I have no certainty on the subject but aren't ps2 hdds 40 gig drives? Not that it really matters as either limitation cause issues but I am curious what the current ps2 install size is.
It is the ram that is the issue... The 40gigs on the HDD arn't even half way used up and the partition if you install ps2 format on the PS3 is only I think 11gigs.

Pardon my mistake then :)
 Ragnarok.Sekundes
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2011-08-31 10:16:32
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Cerberus.Rayik said: »
Sylph.Systematicchaos said: »
Diabolos.Prodigy said: »
Sylph.Systematicchaos said: »
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Honestly, you can probably get a pc that can play FFXI for free from sites like freecycle or craigslist.

If you don't want to go that way you can likely find a rather cheap one via refurb online or on ebay. But more importantly... it's 2011, how is it that you have internet but no pc?

Mac
SAME THING
What is this I don't even...

What is a Mac? Oh, it's a personal computer. It's like saying I don't wear shoes, I wear Nike's.
I read the first part of this in dracula's voice.
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By Fenrir.Mariane 2011-08-31 10:20:00
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This is what I did:

I took my japanese SCPH-10000 PS2 and it's harddrive out of the closet, hooked it up and connected to PlayOnline...

Then I answered this:


(Yes I'm not lying and yes I'm an IDIOT for giving them that much money ... -__-;)

People who believe that the PS2 is the reason why they can't rework the game is obviously WRONG.

The reason they didn't rework the game yet is COST. Now that they're willing to buff up the game, an solution for keeping the PS2 while upgrading the PC is obviously possible.

So people just need to be HONEST while answering the survey.


Edit:

HDD size is obviously NOT an VALID excuse:

(Top of the picture: Free Space 24448 Megabytes)
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 Cerberus.Rayik
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By Cerberus.Rayik 2011-08-31 10:20:03
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Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Cerberus.Rayik said: »
Sylph.Systematicchaos said: »
Diabolos.Prodigy said: »
Sylph.Systematicchaos said: »
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Honestly, you can probably get a pc that can play FFXI for free from sites like freecycle or craigslist.

If you don't want to go that way you can likely find a rather cheap one via refurb online or on ebay. But more importantly... it's 2011, how is it that you have internet but no pc?

Mac
SAME THING
What is this I don't even...

What is a Mac? Oh, it's a personal computer. It's like saying I don't wear shoes, I wear Nike's.
I read the first part of this in dracula's voice.

"What is a Mac? A miserable pile of insecurities!"

lulz
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By Shiva.Ashmulder 2011-08-31 10:23:22
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Fenrir.Mariane said: »
This is what I did:

I took my japanese SCPH-10000 PS2 and it's harddrive out of the closet, hooked it up and connected to PlayOnline...

Then I answered this:


(Yes I'm not lying and yes I'm an IDIOT for giving them that much money ... -__-;)

People who believe that the PS2 is the reason why they can't rework the game is obviously WRONG.

The reason they didn't rework the game yet is COST. Now that they're willing to buff up the game, an solution for keeping the PS2 while upgrading the PC is obviously possible.

So people just need to be HONEST while answering the survey.

1million times this! i like how ppl think that dropping ps2 support will make better graphic and all the nice things you ever wanted over night.

Am i the only one seeing that getting rid of a % of your population(the evil ps2 players) to then shoot more money in a 10years game, might not be the best solution to make more money?
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