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By Sylph.Ghaleon 2011-07-11 13:49:03
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For the people who still play on sam,


*The samurai ability Seigan is now augmented with a bonus based on the player's Zanshin attack rate that increases the chance of countering an anticipated attack.
*This change only applies when samurai is set as the main job.
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The samurai ability Hasso will now occasionally trigger Zanshin after landing a normal attack.
*This change only applies when samurai is set as the main job.

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*The following job ability has been added:

Konzen-ittai (SAM Lv. 65, Recast Time: 3 Minutes, Effect Duration: 1 Minute)
Readies target for a skillchain.


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*The effectiveness of the samurai job trait Store TP now increases at level 90 instead of 91.


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By Odin.Dirtyfinger 2011-07-11 13:56:51
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But in all honesty it's a nice addition I suppose, the STP that is.
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By Asura.Kaisuko 2011-07-11 13:57:32
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Sylph.Ghaleon said:
For the people who still play on sam,


*The samurai ability Seigan is now augmented with a bonus based on the player's Zanshin attack rate that increases the chance of countering an anticipated attack.
*This change only applies when samurai is set as the main job.
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The samurai ability Hasso will now occasionally trigger Zanshin after landing a normal attack.
*This change only applies when samurai is set as the main job.

~
*The following job ability has been added:

Konzen-ittai (SAM Lv. 65, Recast Time: 3 Minutes, Effect Duration: 1 Minute)
Readies target for a skillchain.


~
*The effectiveness of the samurai job trait Store TP now increases at level 90 instead of 91.


discuss.

Slightly discussed in the full update thread, but Konzen-ittai will probably work like Wild Flourish, but even if its not a high lvl skillchain it can can help build a stronger finishing SC
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2011-07-11 13:57:44
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Asura.Kaisuko said:
Artemicion said:
Asura.Kaisuko said:
inb4 Its easier to 3 hit zanshin now

But seriously, zanshin > double attack for sam now? >.>

For the TP phase perhaps.
Zanshin doesn't work on WS, while DA does.

I always thought zanshin proc'd in WS? Honestly havent kept up with sam since abyssea sadly, but I was always told it could. :(

Zanshin can proc on ws. but prior to update it would just apply on a miss, so we would have to see if the effect stacks on ws also.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2011-07-11 13:59:03
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how much stp do you think we are getting? i think its safe to say +5.
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By Gilgamesh.Hunewearl 2011-07-11 13:59:52
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Zanshin and Store TP updates are both very good news. Wonder if the Seigan update will be Ballista-tier, though.
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By Odin.Dirtyfinger 2011-07-11 14:00:01
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10 is what we want so 5 is what we'll get.
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By Asura.Kaisuko 2011-07-11 14:00:18
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Also, now that its relevant, how much Zanshin% does Unkai Sugemino give?
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By Odin.Dirtyfinger 2011-07-11 14:00:41
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5% I believe.
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2011-07-11 14:02:26
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So I mean for Masa users would Ace's now be an upgrade over Dusk+1? With the Store TP update and Zanshin update.
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By Odin.Dirtyfinger 2011-07-11 14:02:35
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Just for reference on what gear gives what Zanshin (Not saying TP in it all).

Katana Strap - 5%
Unkia earring - Not sure, probably 1/2%
Unkai Domaru +2 - 10%
Ace's Mufflers - 3% (Might be 4)
Unkai Sugemino - 5%

Can't remember anything else.
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By Asura.Kaisuko 2011-07-11 14:03:13
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Odin.Dirtyfinger said:
5% I believe.

cool beans, looks like my new TP piece lol and I wonder how Hachiryu Domaru will fair now.. Masa Aftermath + Hachi(zanshin and crit rate)
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2011-07-11 14:03:44
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if these are based on the % of zanshin proc, we may see some interesting stuff

from wiki;
Further Notes:

Activation rate is 45% on 75SAM main, and about 25% on /SAM.
SAM merit Zanshin Attack Rate increases activation rate by 1% per upgrade.
When Zanshin activates, Zanshin's extra attack has a +35 accuracy bonus.


so with all the gear combined with trait it would be safe to say sam can easily get more than 50~60% zanshin rate with todays gear.

so do you think we will get a 50~60% chance to proc zanshin with hasso up? or will it be lower? >O
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By RickettRealHard 2011-07-11 14:04:06
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servers are up :3
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By Shiva.Eldarias 2011-07-11 14:04:38
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RickettRealHard said:
servers are up :3
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By Odin.Dirtyfinger 2011-07-11 14:04:44
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Fenrir.Skarwind said:
So I mean for Masa users would Ace's now be an upgrade over Dusk+1? With the Store TP update and Zanshin update.

If it doesn't ruin your xhit yes, but there's many things in other places to consider, such as Atheling over Tactical and even VV atma for Regain. I doubt I'll be making a Zanshin specific build but who knows.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2011-07-11 14:05:01
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RickettRealHard said:
servers are up :3

thefk at the accept/decline entire login buttons >.>
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By Odin.Dirtyfinger 2011-07-11 14:05:29
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Fairy.Ghaleon said:
if these are based on the % of zanshin proc, we may see some interesting stuff

from wiki;
Further Notes:

Activation rate is 45% on 75SAM main, and about 25% on /SAM.
SAM merit Zanshin Attack Rate increases activation rate by 1% per upgrade.
When Zanshin activates, Zanshin's extra attack has a +35 accuracy bonus.


so with all the gear combined with trait it would be safe to say sam can easily get more than 50~60% zanshin rate with todays gear.

so do you think we will get a 50~60% chance to proc zanshin with hasso up? or will it be lower? >O

I worked it out with merits to be 75% I think, 70% at least, but that's pure Zanshin build.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2011-07-11 14:07:15
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me pearley sam has been backburned so long it got all moldy and stuff. /mothballs
I used to use it /thf to farm crafting materials... but then I started leveling thf for eva tanking and jammed it in the same deep storage as pld. Someday, someone will need one of those jobs... foreveralone.jpg

Does this make me want to bust it out and scrape the crust off? No.
/sad samuguy

(someone please chage "pearly sam" to "lolpup" and copy/paste this into the pup update thread, I'm too damn lazy) /sad creepypup
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By Asura.Vyre 2011-07-11 14:09:10
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So with the Kikugosaku, does this mean when I zanshin attack, assuming all hits land and I get that Double attack proc, will it be 3 hits in a row? :o
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2011-07-11 14:09:45
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Asura.Vyre said:
So with the Kikugosaku, does this mean when I zanshin attack, assuming all hits land and I get that Double attack proc, will it be 3 hits in a row? :o

DA can't proc on Zanshin proc, i do not know if its vice versa tho :O
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By Asura.Vyre 2011-07-11 14:11:29
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Fairy.Ghaleon said:
Asura.Vyre said:
So with the Kikugosaku, does this mean when I zanshin attack, assuming all hits land and I get that Double attack proc, will it be 3 hits in a row? :o
DA can't proc on Zanshin proc, i do not know if its vice versa tho :O
My bad, I meant the effect of Kikugosaku. The "Zanshin: Occasionally Attacks Twice."
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2011-07-11 14:12:11
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Asura.Vyre said:
Fairy.Ghaleon said:
Asura.Vyre said:
So with the Kikugosaku, does this mean when I zanshin attack, assuming all hits land and I get that Double attack proc, will it be 3 hits in a row? :o
DA can't proc on Zanshin proc, i do not know if its vice versa tho :O
My bad, I meant the effect of Kikugosaku. The "Zanshin: Occasionally Attacks Twice."

ooo, forgot about that lol
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2011-07-11 14:13:26
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Fairy.Ghaleon said:
Asura.Vyre said:
Fairy.Ghaleon said:
Asura.Vyre said:
So with the Kikugosaku, does this mean when I zanshin attack, assuming all hits land and I get that Double attack proc, will it be 3 hits in a row? :o
DA can't proc on Zanshin proc, i do not know if its vice versa tho :O
My bad, I meant the effect of Kikugosaku. The "Zanshin: Occasionally Attacks Twice."

ooo, forgot about that lol

Honestly that's the only GK I use. When I use SAM it's just for Jinpu Spam D:
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By Asura.Atharia 2011-07-11 14:15:53
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As far as Self skillchaining goes. Konzen-ittai, with Sekkanoki, and Meditate, (even if you are accustomed to using Reverse Flourish from time to time as /dnc)

Sam. can now self skillchain pretty much nonstop now. Especially if the recast timer on Konzen-ittai is 2mins or less.

All in all, Another way to Self Skillchain was the last thing I expected for a Sam update.

inb4 20-way skillchains.
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By Asura.Vyre 2011-07-11 14:16:49
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Asura.Atharia said:
As far as Self skillchaining goes. Konzen-ittai, with Sekkanoki, and Meditate, (even if you are accustomed to using Reverse Flourish from time to time as /dnc) Sam. can now self skillchain pretty much nonstop now. Especially if the recast timer on Konzen-ittai is 2mins or less. All in all, Another way to Self Skillchain was the last thing I expected for a Sam update. inb4 20-way skillchains.
It says the recast time on it is 3 minutes, duration 1 minute.
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By Odin.Dirtyfinger 2011-07-11 14:18:04
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It's 5 STP.
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By Asura.Atharia 2011-07-11 14:22:15
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Ah thx, well 3 ways to Self SC on Sam is more than enough to keep them rolling in steadily bar any sub you could be using atm.
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By Asura.Kaisuko 2011-07-11 14:24:08
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Konzen-ittai > Rana made darkness wasnt enough HP left to see if i could follow with gekko
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