New Drk Waist Options

A lot of nonsense here. Also nice of you to make assumptions about how I play and calling me gimp, you know, considering you know all about me. Nevertheless, cool story bro.

Oh! by the way, Insurgency is basically guillotine -1, and it does not have the same skillchain properties that Spinning slash does, since insurgency is fusion/compression, and Spinninslash is fragmentation. Not that any of that matters because insurgency's animation is so cool right?


Also this ^

The fact that you think GS /thf is better than GS /sam...just shows how clueless you are. Regardless of whether GS is trash or not, regardles of whether GS's use is limited or not, regardless of whether you are using scythe or GS... /sam will still be better generally if not always, and I shouldn't even have to explain to you why that is true...

inb4 more insults from "Samuraiking."

I'm 12 years old and what is this?

You all are suck.

I was joking about not being american. Mankey and SK have both seen the french ppl on gilgmesh, nuff said.

Well, Dusk gloves+1 would basically let me add 5 attack in my feet slot for aftermath and 1 more haste for non aftermath so yea that's not OMG amazing. Obviously still an improvement. The ebody would result in probably at least a few % improvement in damage vs HNM level targets though so yea I do need to get that asap. I'm happy I save4d points for gil in my shell instead of Ebody though; the next update may very well obsolete it. Inb4 augment debate lol.

Are you saying /thf > /sam then?

come join us the fun is just starting and bring your friends

I can hear your apoc weeping from asura, get it in the bonanza?

That is what I asked him Raen... but then you already know what happened next...

Not yet. Although it appears to be going downhill, it's still on-topic and somewhat thriving.

I think.

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Why dont you stop with the "zoMg scYtHE oNRY GswrOd iS giMP" and actually make a coherent explanation of why?

The fact is if ur in a pty /sam without a brd or cor, and ur scythe and gsword are both able to cap in acc with pizza, and you have a proper 6hit with both, if your fighting a high lvl/high defense HNM the Gsword will pull ahead with Consistent Spinning Slashes. Of course wit Chaos roll and/or Double minuet Guillotine will win. Shits situational, shits been situational, and shits gonna continue to be situational in this game.

Blanket statements = fail.

Yea I guess my town gear sucks. I'm not sure how you could possibly make that statement with the knowledge you have thus far. Ignorance is such a ***.

I just don't get the blind hate. Sure, Scythe is better anywhere you have the buffs. Nobody is debating that. Situations where Greatsword do well or even excel at are not all that uncommon if you use your DRK in a wide variety of situations (not everybody does and fair play to those who do not - for those who use DRK in its "optimal" places, Scythe eclipses Greatsword handily).

We can go and extend this argument to say that GKT on SAM is ***outside of a few niche situations and Polearm is the way to go. People will immediately think "wtf is that guy smoking?" but think about it - it's roughly the same argument, assuming both can cap acc without too much sacrifice and with food. Gekko is just Spinny Slash+2, and Penta Thrust is your Guillotine.

Anywhere with sufficient buffs, Polearm will outdo GKT similarly~ yet GKT does not suffer the hate.

QFT , keywords being "Unless your buffed to all hell"

They should require a reading comprehension test before they let ppl post on this site, I swear to god.

What I'm saying is, if you are geared properly you will be able to support scythe/sam on anything. If you are not geared properly then you are going to get a better output with gsword/thf. This is HNM, not merits, your overall dmg means next to ***. Your objective is tp and sc. I don't see an inbetween where gsword/sam is going to beat /thf for a person who isn't geared well enough.

We are all in agreeance Scythe/sam is the best, yet you seem to think that Gsword/sam is ok? I understand your point of /sam > /thf disregarding weapons, yet you have to factor those in.....

If you can't get enough ATK/ACC to use scythe on HNM, then you don't have enough to use Gsword and that's why you /thf for acc to make sure the ws lands... if you have enough for both, then just use *** Scythe.

Edit: Apparently it's ok to not have a properly buffed alliance on *** HNM, who knew? I wasn't aware they let anyone in on HNM action now being gimp as ***. We aren't arguing situations here. We are arguing what most HNMLS have, which is gear, skill and *** support. /headdesk

Not saying I agree with SK, but you should probably at least read enough of the thread to get some context and see that the lack of a BRD/COR thing has been addressed at least twice.

I don't think GS is complete ***, as scythe builds don't scale up to the nastier NMs well (blame Guillo being your best WS), but your point is not valid in this context.

[/quote]You're welcome to come though and bask in my glory, as it seems i'm the only decent drk left in the whole game /sigh.[/quote]


Wow, after reading that I now know that

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_okSIvb7zcQE/SPeOUFfOVNI/AAAAAAAADts/pbt4b7YZADU/s400/southpark.jpg

= Samuraiking

Only someone like him would say crap like that to make himself feel better about his sad "real life."

You're welcome to come though and bask in my glory, as it seems i'm the only decent drk left in the whole game /sigh.[/quote]


Wow, after reading that I now know that

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_okSIvb7zcQE/SPeOUFfOVNI/AAAAAAAADts/pbt4b7YZADU/s400/southpark.jpg

= Samuraiking

Only someone like him would say crap like that to make himself feel better about his sad "real life."[/quote]

lolz. learn to link btw, BBcode is simple, there's even a paste at the bottom to help u.

OMG the real life card has been pulled. This thread is complete.

AFK turning in stage 2 ragnarok to piss off samuraiking <3

OMFG WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT! /RAGEQUITTHEGAME

Edit: btw u remember ellion? he bought gil and upgraded ragnarok lol. Not to mention ostrea who doesn;t even have drk leveled.

Not geared properly. Supported properly. Scythe is highly buff-reliant. Greatsword relies mainly (but not only) on the gear/food you provide it with.


TP and SC only heavily favouring Greatsword.

Greatsword WS has huge acc and attack boosts. They compensate for gear or buff deficiency. Scythe does not. Scythe expects you to provide the firepower. Greatsword just asks that you give it enough accuracy to TP and it'll do its job (Sushi if you need to).

Best in an ideal world != best in every practical situation.

Greatsword WS is going to land unless you're under the effect of Hurricane Wing, 95% of the time. All you need is enough Accuracy and Attack to build TP. Scythe needs a lot more than this!

How often do melees get two Bards on a HNM? You typically get one. What is the best combination of songs one Bard can use? 2x March. Which weapon does this favour? Both of them equally. Therefore after this one buffer, Greatsword is still ahead. Add more buffers and Scythe has the potential to pull ahead, yet this is not typical (at least in my experience).

lol @ you guys. BRB Abyssea. Don't forget to rate down.

I've been playing DRK for a longgg time now. Squeezed DRK into just about every situation in the game where it's even marginally useful. I adore my DRK and always will do as it was my first love, and although I use Scythe 95% of the time if not more, there are still times where I bust out the Greatsword.

The situations where I do are often hardly described as optimal, but an ideal world is exactly that - doesn't happen all of the time.

If /SAM is applicable and we assume relevant haste buffs, we find Hasso to be a ~27% increase to global damage without accounting for acc or STR and STP + Meditate to be at least a ~20% increase to WS damage (more than 10% to total) in a system where you're WSing ~1.7 times per minute with /THF and ~2.5 times per minute with /SAM. In other words, you're looking at a ~47% increase to WS damage alone with /SAM. Ratio caps before level correction now, so against Tiamat (now 15 levels above us), you're looking at a cRatio 1.25 on WS without SA and 2.25 with. That's an 80% improvement once per minute, 80/1.7=47% increase to WS damage... oh hey, that looks familiar. The first time ignored acc and STR from Hasso though (acc quite possibly very relevant), and /SAM also improves the rest of your DPS as opposed to /THF's singular boost.

Very napkin mathed and I'm far too out of it to do this justice as far as precision is concerned, but you get the point.

no way <.< we want to resort to name calling like someone else did. Not mentioning any names. Been a naughty boy lately? No cookies for you. >.<

In all fairness there are many trolls/dumb people who post in these threads but raen does at least know what he's talking about. I don't think I've ever read his stuff and wondered wtf.

In my personal experience though raen I would use cross reaper on most HNM and average about 100 damage less than spinning slash but would pick up my damage via higher melee accuracy/higher melee attack/higher WS frequence due to 6 hit being easier on scythe. Guil becomes harder to use on HNM reliably obviously. I'm merited 8/8 scythe 8/8 sword 4/4 shield though. If not for the massive skill gap I could see greatsword beating it.

I haven't actually tried Cross Reaper much honestly (not a big fan of 2hit WS as a whole - do I build this like a 1hit or do I build this like a multi? ARGH). It should in theory be weaker than Guillotine if you consistently land all 4 hits. If this is not true, perhaps an Attack boost? Would give the WS some proper purpose...

And yah, if there's a melee accuracy difference then the two start to spread out. If there isn't (I haven't got any Gswrd merits either and can comfortably approach accuracy cap on Fafnir with Gswrd using sushi) and the two builds are roughly equal in terms of 6hit difficulty (Naglering vs Perdu Sickle for me, almost identical in terms of TP speed/difficulty etc) then Gswrd does appear to pull ahead.

I don't recommend Sneak Attacking Tiamat if there's a chance you'll pull hate, and of course TA doesn't have a crit bonus for nonTHF :P your math is relevant if you are definitely not going to pull hate though!

Sam/thf full overhelm merits sexy

Maybe my 60% accuracy parse was a fluke, or maybe food would have made that huge of a difference. My LS doesnt usually parse HNM least of all fafnir but it was noticebly horrible compared to Tiamat/cerberus. Anyways, I hardly ever use cross reaper outside of those rare occasions. I'm also gimp and never farmed rose strap for my naglering 6 hit so the WS frequency was way lower than scythe as well.