Why Are JP So Anti-english?

I've had a ton of conversations with random JP's before, like above. I became friends with this person and he has been very kind to me. Its all small talk but we hang out sometimes and just do random stuff. Like at the Christmas event he bumped into me and I went on a crazy adventure with JP people and we were all laughing. Was good times 8D

And some have been total jerks!

Its just like NA people. We like some, we hate others. The reason its so much more "Oh JP hate us those jerks" is just because of a language barrier, and not everyone wanting to use the translate function. It's called being lazy, even I dont want to deal with trying to translate it all the time @___@... or while talking with my JP friends, sometimes I WILL avoid them just because I dont know -how- to tell them certain things or ask politely ETC. Its not me trying to be rude, its me just being lazy or tired of a language barrier. They also have the same issue, and I dont blame them after experiencing it first hand. Also my DS doesnt always tell me the right words, and its really awkward when you say the wrong thing :X Im still trying to learn Japanese but its a long process.... for me anyways. Im slow 8D While speaking with my friends though, it can take several hours before we finally understand a certain word we're going for. It gets VERY tiring and fast. Try it once you'll see what I mean ^^;; going 50-50 even on the language, there's still that barrier. I was trying to learn Japanese, and my JP friends were trying to learn English. It was very confusing. @___@

This is my opinion anyways ^^ I realize a lot of people here have much more to say and I agree on some degree, but really I think it just comes down to 1.) language barrier 2.) culture 3.) tolerance. We all will act differently to it. Just take this thread for example. Look at all the responses and how they differ!

The JP will be just as rude, just as kind, etc as most of us in NA. Individuality is really what makes us all human beings ;3

Depends on the word, Hello in japanese is typed konnichiha, but if you type kon (the first 2 characters) and press tab, it becomes config, but things like nyzul is just na -> tab. It's no different to english^^

This, this, and more of this.

As far as the people who are saying "It's ok, using auto translate for them is harder than it is for us," my lord, do you want to feed them too? Maybe change their diaper and read them a bedtime story? And maybe after that you can bake them cookies!

A small group of Japanese people get offended 6-7 years ago, and the rest of us should kiss their ***? Nope, sorry, not a good enough reason for me. I'll compromise by using the auto translate feature, that's why it's there. If you can't do the same, you're not worth my time. I'm not going to bow down to some pixelated character I never met or interacted with because using the auto translator is oh-so-hard for them. I'm also not going to hunker down and learn a language just to play a VIDEO GAME. I'm not an international business woman, I'm a *** vet tech. What the hell do I need to learn Japanese for?

In all honesty, if you compare Japanese culture with other cultures, you will see that yes, Japanese are more polite, usually.

As for your example, are you sure thats true for every case? Or did you see it happen just once there and was shocked in seeing it?

Cause when I was in Hirakata (thats between Osaka and Kyoto by the way), I never saw a Japanese person be rude to another Japanese person. And thats going everywhere around the island, including to the backwoods of the nation (try going to Mie district, you will know what I'm talking about).

I never once saw a rude Japanese person (rude according to American standards, I probably saw many instances of rudeness in Japanese standards though).

So yeah, I'm sorry if you saw that, but I don't believe that is the case for the culture period.

I wouldn't say AT is any harder to use for Japanese, on the other hand, it does look like crap, is harder to read, takes up more space and is prone to mistranslation which is probably why they don't like it.

Also, another observation about shouts in general, at least on my server, Japanese tend to do a bit more shouting for random assault/missions/salvage/etc... than NA's in general. And the skill level of people joining shout groups is generally higher (but not always) higher in JP shout groups. For that reason and the whole having to communicate during the actual event, it's just much easier if everyone's on the same page to begin with.　　Heck, learning the ins and outs of the AT itself is a pain in the butt, my new favorite AT is the bst ability Ready which comes out horribly when people use it as a statement of readiness, lol.

Btw, since I'm pretty sure this'll come up, I'm also not saying that JP's are better players, there are tons of players as good or better than the average JP, however for whatever reason, non JP's seem to prefer to static up with their friends or LS members a lot more for just about everything so the people who have to rely on shouts tend to be more the dregs while a good chunk of JP's like to pop into random shouts for their needs.

All the things you said about AT in Japanese is exactly the same for English as well. It looks like crap, it is sometimes harder to read, it takes up more space, and do we need reminders about the difference between {Reward} an {Reward :}?

English speakers who don't use AT are lazy. I don't see why the same can't be said for Japanese speakers.

I like the japanese people I've partied with.

I've never had overly rude japanese players, and i've found english players to be far more assholey.

http://shigemo.com/FFXI/nihongo_guide.html

that site is helpful.

Well i'm using rude in the inconsiderate sense of the word, they don't care about you. They will smile, be polite to your face, but then not give a ***about you. Funny you mention Mie, my ex is from there and her mum was the worst human-being i've ever met in my life. The devil has nothing on her.

I think Using the auto translation is nothing to do with this whole situation, in fact I have looked into the social psycholgy as to why Japanese may not want to mingle with us Gai - jin.

The Japanese are a proud nation, they are also a nation of conflicted moral standing, where Honour is preached yet not practised on the whole, its the bushido mentality, they think they still have some honour left but most society around the world has become too corrupt to associate themselves with the word honour, yet the japanese feel they own the word.

Uchi - soto means us and them and its a common phrase, many people looking to settle down in japan find the problem that they are never truly accepted into Japanese society and its also true for young people that may live in another country and then acquire a 'foreign' accent, they are often villified for not being Japanese enough if they ever return, generally Japan loves a SCAPEGOAT, someone to victimise, someone to blame, its in the comedy they produce, its all very victim based and quite malicious at times but is regarded as hilarious by the Japanese.

If a Japanese person makes friends with a gai jin in game he may be spurned by fellow JP players as a traitor, which is why the JP's dont use the auto translate function, they dont wanna know us because they have strain of intolerance in thier society + THE FACT THE YANKS DROPPED A COUPLE OF NUKES ON EM, I dont suppose that has been easily forgotten and I personally think they think of themselves superior to most other races.

I think they have little choice in the matter, its all about how their society is formed, they moan about us being rude, they are just ultra sensetive, emotionally inept, anal, intolerant people, well only 90% of them.

Personally Im as friendly as I can be with them but its like trying to flog a dead horse with them, they only speak english when they want something, trust me they understand more than you think, prolly dont even need the auto transalte thing, its just not cool for them to hang with us, they get Ostracised, crikey, they wind me up a lil xD

I party ALOT and I find JP are really nice, get the odd idiot but it's like that in every country, as long as your polite and friendly. Didn't know that when someone left it was considered rude, I always /salute, /bow and say <Thank you> + <Take care> @)~ Been like 3 jp 3 english the other's stayed on plenty of times, I find as long as you thank them for coming and bow everyone's happy.

Most Jp's dont mind english, on average 8/10 reply, the odd 1 or 2 not replying or JP only, which is fair enough, bake being in a party where everyone speaks a different language. Then again, I've talked more in auto-translate to Jp's then I have in all english pt's, dancing with fireworks n cheering eachother, jp are cool! Wish I could speak japanese ;( I dont mind being in all jp pt's though, I've been leader with all jp's lol

Just buy some fireworks, LOVE them! Everyone LOVE's fireworks!!

Always say <Hello!> and always have a smiley face or something, ^^ or :)~

I say: <Hello!> <Party> <Level Sync> 55 <Wajaom Woodlands> @)~
Usually works.

No matter how you are treated , you should always treat other respectfully and remain polite . As long as you do these things you will alway be the better person no matter what language(s) you speak . Its obvious from peoples posts where they sit , be it on one side of the fence , the other side of it , or right on top of it . Personally i play this game because its fun and i get to meet new and interesting people . I'm an American , and I'm a Jew . DOes this mean i wont ask some one with a G next to thier name cuz of the WWII ? nope . forgive but never forget . Its funny some one brought up {Reward} and {Reward:} . this is probly where all the AT bullshtein started . and as far as using {Ready} instead of using {Ready!} , youre just not looking hard enough . lulz/lol/w

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An idiot is an idiot. Japanese players can be idiots. North American players can be idiots. Ultimately the individual is the one that determines whether or not they are an idiot or considerate of a language/cultural barrier and willing to accomodate it.

I think most people have come across both types, and tbh, it's nothing new. In my experience, GMT players are some of the most polite and rude players I've ever come across. Should I ban GMT players from joining my linkshell? Probably, but for the sake of this thread let's say I won't :P

Keep one thing in mind, the other side of the computer screen is a player who is just like most everyone else. Sure they may eat different food, they may use things that squirt water in their butt instead of wiping with toilet paper, but all in all, we're pretty much the same.

Not everyone is comfortable with cultural differences, this includes Japanese players. It's like going to a random house party and some people are willing to mingle with people they've never met before. Others crowd in a corner with people they already know. It's the same attitude between some NA and JP players. Don't forget, there's always a few willing to snub those that aren't part of their inner circle of friends. That doesn't mean everyone at the party is a stuck up person.

Everyone is awkward about language differences. I have a JP player in my linkshell who recently came out of his linkshell and he constantly apologizes for his bad english on ventrilo. I honestly thought he was anti-social, and now he's like the life of the party when he pops online.

This game is full of socially awkward teenagers suffering from nerd rage. Once you don't lose sight of that, things start to make a lot more sense.

Why is it just laziness? It also doesn't get the point across as well. If both people actually speak the same language, it will always be more easily and well understood if not done in AT. And AT actually looks a lot worse in Japanese then western languages since Japanese doesn't really use spaces, the brackets are a lot more uncomfortable to look at.
Actually, FFXI by now, has a fairly mature userbase. The JP's playing FFXI have generally been an older demographic then westerners playing. A good number of Japanese FFXI players are already working age, many with families and children, as opposed to non JP's where the majority start more in the HS ~ College age. Though a lot of non JP's who've been playing since release now tend to fall into the older age group purely based on the passage of time even if they started young, lol.

I don't think it really has anything to do with some weird otaku subculture, they'd just rather do stuff with other Japanese players because of the smoother running that comes from ease of communication. There's also the fact that it just seems like more JP's do stuff in shout groups than non JP's, so they can get away with not having to include them since they have enough people to draw from already.

are you talking only about the game? or IRL too?
because from my understanding the majority of the people in Japan love foreigners
i've even been told that by a JP friend of mine, they also said that they're alot nicer too

From my understanding, this situation is more due to the fact that if they don't speak English well they may not fully understand what they're needed to do. So out of respect, they just don't want to play with you. Better they don't play with you than screw you over, kind of idea.

Same to you, if you don't speak Japanese, then you're really doing them a discourtesy if you can't understand what they need you to do. The auto-translator helps but it is far from perfect.

I know I'm bumping this topic, but I saw this from my ol' frand and liked it :) A lot of other good posts resonated with these points, and personally I've had a lot of good experiences with Japanese players myself. I find them to be very polite and courteous--and it does help to know a little of the language: even if it's broken romaji, it's still appreciated. :) And I'm sure they make fun of my grammar between themselves, too. At any rate, I know I'm probably repeating what's already been said around here, but the golden rule applies to all cultures. :P