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 Ramuh.Krizz
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2010-01-12 10:17:23
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Carbuncle.Kyhira said:
Ramuh.Maacha said:
I have heard that if you use actual JP text (katakana, hiragana, kanji) but you are on a non japanese account, JPs will sometimes GM you for 3rd pt tools. copy/paste from websites of japanese text is only possible if you use windower. If you want to put something in japanese in /seacom or in /tells, use romaji (alphabetical letters).

How do you copy/paste when using windower?

I'm using windower from time to time when playing 2 accounts at the same time. But never used all the gadgets and wht not in windower. Could be useful to be able to copy/paste in seacoms and stuff.
Just ctrl+v like you would in any other program.
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By Carbuncle.Kyhira 2010-01-12 10:29:07
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cool thanks, i had no idea. im a windower noob :( one of these days I'm gonna try to understand how to make 50 lines macros in windower as well i guess x.x
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2010-01-12 10:30:17
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Carbuncle.Kyhira said:
cool thanks, i had no idea. im a windower noob :( one of these days I'm gonna try to understand how to make 50 lines macros in windower as well i guess x.x
Meh, I think that's a tad ridiculous. I use the in game macros only.
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By Midgardsormr.Tutone 2010-01-12 10:33:07
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Phoenix.Pozcat said:
I am not trying to offend any JP who should read this, I am only curious. You see I live in New Zealand meaning that when I want to EXP, its JP prime-time. For the most part I wont get invited by any of them, even with [Language]: [anything] in my search comment. After a while I get frustrated and attempt to make a party. I'll ask a JP who is seeking, normally like this, [Excuse me...] [Level sync] XX [Do you need it?]. This is relatively polite isn't it? Most of the time I wont recieve an answer even when I know they are not AFK. I usually don't ask anyone with JP PT ONLY in search comment. So, I'm just wondering, what makes JP so against english players? To any Japanese players who are reading this, an answer would be MUCH appreciated


Wasn't always like this on Midgard. JP that I came across in the first year or two, were always more than helpful, the auto-translate feature was more than enough then. I was still in the service, and working day shifts, and playing at night, the party invites were always coming... right around the time of getting out and switching to playing NA peak times, I notice a decline invites, and less use of Auto-Translate.

I'm pretty sure it was a combination of things, players D/c'in/having gimp gears/elitest and a bunch of b.s that each side was getting frustrated and eventually led to labeling eachother..

It would be really nice to rectify this, it would make a lot of shouts easier, but I think those days are just memory... Just keep your head up, and keep making your own parties.
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By Phoenix.Mikumaru 2010-01-12 11:10:51
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It seems to differ server to server . Coming from Odin to Phoenix i find a large majority of JP have JP ONRY in thier /seacom and about 50% of them are willing to break 'rule' if you ask nicely . I would guess the JP on Odin were less Xenophobic because of the size of the population . This one fact seems to affect almost everything i have expierenced in the near year since changing servers . When you Avg having 5000+ ppl on a server compared to 2000ish your mentality changes . You wont be as picky about who invites you to EXP cuz finding a decent camp with be the real work . I had this problem lastnight making an unsynced PT @ 75 . People put thier flag up with no /seacom then when you ask them they ask you 10,000 questions that could easily be answered during the Invite if they would take the damn time to fill out a /seacom . After 6 years i personally cant point a finger at any one reason why there is friction between 'US' and 'THEM' .wat alot of people have posted here seems Legit , but a JP point of view would help alot . IMHO it all falls back on the current laziness of the community and the unwillingness to try new/differnt things and the inability to accept that there are more Camps than Qufim , EastRon{S} , Wajoam , Bhaf , and Azloph.
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By Bahamut.Dracondria 2010-01-12 11:37:11
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Japanese players need to get off their high horse and realize that they have just as many shitty players as we do and that they can be just as rude or even worse. I've had a lot of JPs leave really good PTs without saying ANYTHING. They just disband and warp for no reason and don't even say why and that kinda thing pisses me off. Even the rude NAs/EUs give a reason for it most of the time. JPs were good back in the day but these days they're just as good/bad as we are.

Edit: using "I don't speak any English" as an excuse is just weak because even if you don't speak the language you should know your role in the PT pretty well after playing for a few levels.
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By Bahamut.Stanflame 2010-01-12 11:42:34
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Bahamut.Dracondria said:
Japanese players need to get off their high horse and realize that they have just as many shitty players as we do and that they can be just as rude or even worse. I've had a lot of JPs leave really good PTs without saying ANYTHING. They just disband and warp for no reason and don't even say why and that kinda thing pisses me off. Even the rude NAs/EUs give a reason for it most of the time. JPs were good back in the day but these days they're just as good/bad as we are.

Edit: using "I don't speak any English" as an excuse is just weak because even if you don't speak the language you should know your role in the PT pretty well after playing for a few levels.


When I am in a party with them , converse with the. it makes them feel comfortable in a non jp party, i even try mixing it up. It's not hard to speak a few jp words.... never ran into any jp issue, in my whole time playing ffxi.
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By Bahamut.Dracondria 2010-01-12 11:54:19
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I haven't really had any issues except for them just leaving without saying anything but it annoys me that they use language as an excuse when they should know what to do. Sure, it's always fun to talk in a PT but they can see that as an opportunity to learn more English instead of seeing it as something scary.
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By Fenrir.Shambo 2010-01-12 11:57:41
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Some of them can understand how rude english speaking players are and they'd tell their friends, and have their friends, tell their friends tell their brother, tell their mother, and their sister too. Don't forget the lil hamster

other wise they wouldn't have a problem.
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By Odin.Marigrim 2010-01-12 12:12:30
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Well after reading through 4 pages of posts I decided to discuss the plate on the counter.

Odin as you know (if you don't live under a rock) is a locked server.
As time goes on people leave locked servers. After a year or more of population culling the English French German Japanese players started having to look past difference and indifference to breathe the life back into a lot of formerly segregated events. (I can speak Japanese but that's not the point others with us could not) Limbus, Sea farming Sky etc on Odin is multicultural, Exp pt's etc are also. Not only does it work, but it works damn well in fact. This post has two points

Point 1: Yes we can get along when something out of the normalcy forces us together, and suddenly we learn (like people of the same language learn) some of us can like each other form friendships and enjoy our time together.

Point 2: There are several forums (even herein FFXI AH, LONG forums) about "them" and "they" as if the Japanese are some recently unearthed sub-species of human... you sit and talk about persons of this culture and nation as if referring to an object. If it was me 'no I wouldn't be angry being stared at like an out of place plate on the counter' it's normal to want to party up with a group of persons dissecting me and those from my country like a frog in 6th grade science, my speech my customs disasters my grand parents still suffer nightmares from. Of course I'll play with you! Um... I think "they" got the right idea and instead of 40 page forum posts asking questions about "it" "they" and "them" decided to play amongst "themselves".

Flame me for it, I had an opinion that differed from yours. ~Mari
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2010-01-12 12:13:53
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sad thing, 24M Chinese men will turn *** by 2020 due to the shortage of Chinese women, so yeah... The Chinese will *** themselves out of existence if the situation is left alone.
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By Fairy.Maimed 2010-01-12 12:16:08
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Approximately 10% of the population have engage in homosexual activity at least once in their life. Can you imagine how many guys in both India and China have packed some serious fudge? Literally hundreds of millions...
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2010-01-12 12:19:13
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India and fudge packing remind me of that scene in "Slumdog Millionaire" where Jamal feels into that vat of ***when he was a kid lol
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By Odin.Kalico 2010-01-12 13:03:42
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"By Fairy.Maimed 2010-01-12 12:16:08 Link | PM | Quote | Reply Score: -1 354438 [–] [+]
Approximately 10% of the population have engage in homosexual activity at least once in their life. Can you imagine how many guys in both India and China have packed some serious fudge? Literally hundreds of millions..."


Where i'm from we call this telling on yourself lmao.
1. How do you know 10% engage? are you part of this 10%?
You Probably are.

2. when you learned this peice of info i'm sure you
were the first at the airport that following day. :0
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By Kujata.Akeda 2010-01-12 13:18:11
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Maybe it's just on FFXI.

If you go to Japan, they'll all want to be your best friend and want you to talk in English.
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By Midgardsormr.Tutone 2010-01-12 13:23:02
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Kujata.Akeda said:
Maybe it's just on FFXI. If you go to Japan, they'll all want to be your best friend and want you to talk in English.

umm definitely just on games... the same goes for us NA players....

Is there anything we can do to change that? One of the things I enjoy on FFXI is the different nationalities... unlike my other MMO where you play with your region.
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By Midgardsormr.Eliniel 2010-01-12 13:56:08
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Midgardsormr.Tutone said:

Wasn't always like this on Midgard. JP that I came across in the first year or two, were always more than helpful, the auto-translate feature was more than enough then. I was still in the service, and working day shifts, and playing at night, the party invites were always coming... right around the time of getting out and switching to playing NA peak times, I notice a decline invites, and less use of Auto-Translate.

I'm pretty sure it was a combination of things, players D/c'in/having gimp gears/elitest and a bunch of b.s that each side was getting frustrated and eventually led to labeling eachother..

It would be really nice to rectify this, it would make a lot of shouts easier, but I think those days are just memory... Just keep your head up, and keep making your own parties.

I've never really had a problem with the people in Midgard. I think I've only had one bad encounter. Some JP was shouting for the Lamia No. 13 assault and he was 2/3. He had shouted for about 20 minutes and I had an extra tag so I was like, "why not?" So I asked him politely if he would like my help on bard. He completely ignored me and continued to shout. Thinking he hadn't seen it, I sent the message again to be completely ignored again. He continued to shout for at least another hour. I don't get that. Oh well.

Otherwise, most of the JPs I know are usually really nice and helpful. I know one who asks how you're doing whenever he sees you, even if you only partied together once. I also know another who I spammed the same Assault mentioned above with so we could both get our storm fifes. We got them on the same day, which was kind of cool. She says [Good morning!] and [Good night!] to me everyday. As for replacing people in parties, I don't think I've ever partied with a JP who didn't replace the person leaving.

Then again, I haven't been playing for very long(I mean, most of you probably don't consider a year long!) so I probably haven't experienced the worse yet. I just thought I'd give my experience thus far. XD
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By Ramuh.Lilsanchez 2010-01-12 14:01:20
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Funny how some of you guys are treating JP as some sort of extremely undefined beings. We have to do things in a very specific way to get anything from them. I know it's true but when I really think about it... That's just *** up. Sorry If I can't be myself and get any response from the JP.. Well those JP can kiss my ***. Idgaf.

Although I've met some really nice Japanese players as well! Always a highlight of my gameplay, becoming friends with one.
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By Fenrir.Shambo 2010-01-12 14:52:12
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Odin.Marigrim said:
Well after reading through 4 pages of posts I decided to discuss the plate on the counter. Odin as you know (if you don't live under a rock) is a locked server. As time goes on people leave locked servers. After a year or more of population culling the English French German Japanese players started having to look past difference and indifference to breathe the life back into a lot of formerly segregated events. (I can speak Japanese but that's not the point others with us could not) Limbus, Sea farming Sky etc on Odin is multicultural, Exp pt's etc are also. Not only does it work, but it works damn well in fact. This post has two points Point 1: Yes we can get along when something out of the normalcy forces us together, and suddenly we learn (like people of the same language learn) some of us can like each other form friendships and enjoy our time together. Point 2: There are several forums (even herein FFXI AH, LONG forums) about "them" and "they" as if the Japanese are some recently unearthed sub-species of human... you sit and talk about persons of this culture and nation as if referring to an object. If it was me 'no I wouldn't be angry being stared at like an out of place plate on the counter' it's normal to want to party up with a group of persons dissecting me and those from my country like a frog in 6th grade science, my speech my customs disasters my grand parents still suffer nightmares from. Of course I'll play with you! Um... I think "they" got the right idea and instead of 40 page forum posts asking questions about "it" "they" and "them" decided to play amongst "themselves". Flame me for it, I had an opinion that differed from yours. ~Mari


That was the best. man
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By Siren.Avina 2010-01-12 15:32:57
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Ramuh.Lilsanchez said:
Funny how some of you guys are treating JP as some sort of extremely undefined beings. We have to do things in a very specific way to get anything from them. I know it's true but when I really think about it... That's just *** up. Sorry If I can't be myself and get any response from the JP.. Well those JP can kiss my ***. Idgaf.

One thing people need to understand and often don't think about is that these terms of being polite are not just targeted at Americans. The Japanese expect other *Japanese* players to respect these same rules of courtesy, its not like they are expecting foreigns to kiss *** to them or something. It's part of their culture, as people have said. It's nothing personal to you or anyone else. But if you don't want to say a couple words to be polite, that's fine no one is making you, but don't expect them to want much to do with you.

If you demonstrate cultural insensitivity don't cry when it comes right back at you.

Honestly though, I don't even like the western player base so much. We're not even nice to each other. Not to mention, we're the ones who develop most of the 3rd party tools and bot the HNMs, people making the video game their job and whatnot and everything has to be 100% efficient... meh. Not that I have some intense JP love or anything, although I have lived there for six months and speak the language fairly well, I would never choose to live there permanently. But their culture is much more focused on cooperation than competition than ours. It's reflected in how this game is built (leveling solo is difficult/very time consuming). So naturally they end up clashing.

I do think the language barrier has a lot to do with it though. Being able to communicate and express your thoughts through more than just an auto-translate is important. Like I said I speak Japanese and talk to players in-game and it goes a loooong way. LOL I even had one guy say a racist comment towards me who was then horrified when I wrote back to him (in Japanese) "I understand everything you are saying, by the way, you racist jerk." Needless to say they rarely expect to see someone fire back something in their language. What's funny is we got into a long conversation and he's actually an alright guy, just got really upset over something minor and he apologized to me about it for like an hour.

Also, word of advice, Google Translate and Babelfish are not your friends when it comes to Japanese. They fail on epic levels and you aren't fooling anyone, in fact it may push people JPs away. Just go with the auto-translate. If you need any proof try putting a sentence in english, translate it to japanese, and try translating that translated sentence back to English. It's a mess. x.x
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2010-01-12 15:41:15
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squiggly squiggly squiggly squiggly someshit squiggly.
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By Fairy.Darkei 2010-01-12 15:41:38
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A tip: Ever you make a pt try get 2 japanese or more, best a JE on seacom (he can help you to translate to anothers japanse), I think no like not understand what talking or no able to comment, also many jp know english but no want talk on another languaje.

when I make pt on JP time normaly I use:
{Excuse me...}{Party}{Level Sync}##{"camp place"}{Do you need it?}JP/AN {Party} 3/6

90% work, also sometimes is fun because i'm the only no japanese player on party, the only hard for me is when I want disband, how I can ask "jplayer tnl? for wait"

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By Odin.Kalico 2010-01-12 16:22:44
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Well on odin as far as getting Jp's to join up for xp prtys,
I never really run into a problem. On the other hand though
if I try to answer a Jp shout for an event nyzul ect... I usually
get ignored. My all around experiences with Jp's on Odin has been
Pretty pleasent actually helpfull even, when I was hunting Blu spells
they would actually help if I asked. Maybe it just Odin because its a
closed server as some one earlier had mentioned.
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By Seraph.Caiyuo 2010-01-12 16:39:08
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I don't think it's required to conform to the JP's way of doing things simply to get along or work together with them, but merely to show that you respect the way they do things and make an effort to appease them in some small way as a friendly compromise.

Honestly in order to break the ice with JP and get them to open up to you all it takes is waiting for something bad to happen in a party, something unfortunate like a link or a wipe and saying KUSOKUSOKUSO ! No one can resist the ridiculousness. lol

Anyway, on Seraph I've never really had a bad experience with a JP player outside of simply not accepting an invite or something small like that. Nothing ever personal or offensive like someone using harsh words. I have however had some pretty pleasant experiences with them, although I was never able to stay in touch and become friends unless they also spoke english.
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By Unicorn.Voluptasia 2010-01-12 16:56:37
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I've had so much good luck playing with Japanese players, I thought there must be an "OK to play with" list of English language players on a Japanese website somewhere.
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By Remora.Belius 2010-01-12 17:15:45
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It is the little things I do enjoy with JPorny players. Like, instead of saying luls, I say w. You know, just to show I respect their culture and if I'm in Rome, I'll do as the Romans do.

If you are of the opinion of 'WAI SHUD AYE', then simply put an 'english only' party on the /seacom and you just don't attempt to mingle.

I love this game for it's diversity, I love that I'm playing with someone from a COMPLETELY different timezone with one interest. EXPEXPEXPEXPEXPEXP. How rare is that?

What is really funny is after talking to a few JP players on why they don't invite much English speaking people into their players, the most common reason which has propped up a few times is that 'we do not want to make them feel awkward amongst us because we will be speaking Japanese and they will not be able to participate in the fun.'

Which makes me think that they actually formulate strategy and what not as part of the game-play fun. Especially in campaign, for example. I've seen/been in full JP alliances travelling to zones together and function as if it was Dynamis.

Would NA players do that?
No. They wouldnt, unless it's a LS or justforlulz, cause that's why everyone does anything worthwhile anyway.

I'm totally for the JP style of playing. It's more laid back, less prone to disasters and whatnot. It's like green tea and coffee.

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By Phoenix.Pozcat 2010-01-12 17:38:30
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This isn't a JP flame thread, goddamnit! Keep it clean >.>

Like I said in the first post, I don't mean to offend any JP
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By Garuda.Alaya 2010-01-12 17:58:43
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I'm actually in an HNM run by JP, and in my experience i have found them to be much nicer/funnier then the NA/EU people(not saying that they are all rude in case they see this :P). Of course, learning the other language doesn't hurt, in fact the JP in my shell like how i'm trying to communicate with them in their own language, and i even play games off FF with couple them, hell i've been in a Skype(online talking chat) and even tho i have no idea what they are saying, we all still manage to communicate and laugh. Also being very polite and throwing in funny faces like :D, :p, ^^;;; makes you more enjoyable, not to mention complements and saying thank you. Basically biggest thing is not making it seem that you're all high extreme know it all snob, but also you're not a complete idiot. But as far as running into bad JPs, i hardly do, fact my biggest friend on the game is JP and him and i been friends for almost 2+ years, even tho the occasional language barrier does pop up, but he still fines it fun and exciting when i get us killed xD, like asking him to come watch my LS fight Dark Ixion and he was too close and got hit with lighting >:3
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By Garuda.Antipika 2010-01-12 17:58:51
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Not a flame thread maybe, a repost thread for sure. We had that "debate" about JP countless time here already :x


JP ONRY EVERYONE ELSE GTFO


Segregation


Why are the JP players so... THAT WAY


I am probably forgetting lot of other similar threads where Jaerik posted wall of text to explain stuff.

And as usual people give their opinion (which isn't bad at all) but that still doesn't answer the question or anything. Opinions != facts. And I really doubt that you will ever get fact from asking a such question in here.
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