Why Are JP So Anti-english?

I've always thought it was because of the language barrier. I've never had any problems with JP aside from that. Some of them are good in pt, some of them not so much. But because of the language barrier, I doubt I'd want to invite/be invited by them to anything more serious than an xp party. I have nothing against them, I'd just rather not waste everybody's time because there's no real way to communicate the strategy being used, etc.

Romaji, does that mean typing the japanese in english characters like I did a bit earlier in the thread?

e.g. watashi etc.

Yes.

I always wondered why the JP PTs would never replace someone and just disband. Glad to know there's an actual reason for it now. I've also noticed NA meripos tend to do this as well most of the time.

I can't say I have had bad JP experiences. There was one PLD that disbanded without saying anything. My favorite COR / BRD is JP. Anytime I build a PT I do a /sea for him first. We ended up PTing together quite a bit when I was going from ~65-75.

I can't remember their exact reasoning for disliking replacements (they do have a reason), if you are interested in JP's views then I suggest reading:

This

If you use this, you'll probably just get laughed at. If I were to translate it to English, it'd be something along the lines of...

Missing American thing,
I am at from New Zealand.

The 2nd one you said was a lot more correct:

I am not American,
I am playing from New Zealand
私はアメリカ人じゃなくて、
ニュージーランドからプレイしています

...or to shorten the last line to "Nyuujiiranndo jin desu" is fine too. ニュージーランド人です (I am a New Zealander).

But just so you know, it's not completely a problem with Americans. They lump all foreign players in one, so that includes the French- and German-speaking ones. Sadly, the stereotype is there, but it's just perpetuated by many crappy parties where people d/c a lot, leave early, bad reps, etc. Skill isn't the issue, as I've seen JP players do some hilariously stupid things. Knowledge isn't the issue (as far as I know) since I presume we should know everything about the game they do at this point. It's pretty much everything Kujata.Argettio listed a few posts back. From my personal experience, it's the replacement style of partying that they hate the most. If you can't commit to at least a couple hours of play, go find another game that doesn't require online cooperation as heavily as FFXI.

Outside of exp parties, I've had some good experiences with JP endgame LS's, though I'm sure this isn't completely universal. Recently I remember a JP LS letting us pop our 1 Suzaku even though they were gathered there first. They tried to communicate with us in English to find out how many pops we had, etc. It was very nice of them, and it just goes to show that there's not a complete anti-English attitude among all Japanese players.

Okay i can explain this :
This is what a typical English-speaking Damage Dealer would do in an EXP party:
- WS-ing right after engaging just because, pull hella hate after that, wasting MP of mages trying to save his *** life, then he would "LMAO xxxx damage I'm so *** strong!"
- Asking for Buffs the most impolite ways they could, "{Haste}" "{Cure}{Where?}". A simple {Please} could of saved the day.
- After partying, while everyone is politely saying thank you for party and good bye, he just disbands.

About typical English-speaking Magic User:
- Most of them doesn't even understand about monster's ability moves, and very slowly casts na spells to remove the effects off Tank or DDs. They just don't give a ***. They also don't know which spells should be priorities, for example when a blink tank has multiple debuffs, the first thing to do is to remove Paralyze so he can get his Shadows up. I've seen many JP healers doing this perfectly.
- Same as DDs, asking for buffs without a {please}
- Would cast Cure IV on someone who's low on HP right after pulling without giving the tank the time to gain enough enmity.
- Sometimes don't have a spell people ask for, and instead of saying I'm sorry, they would be like "Oh ***lol i didn't think i needed it lol" ... No it's not funny >.<


So yea, we have a long way to go ...

Aside from JP button stuff I would probably narrow it down to NA can be extremely abrasive. I mean, ***; I hate 90% of them [NA] myself. Though, I hate 90% of everyone so that isn't saying much♫
I've said it before and I'll say it again; there are NA/EU/JP/etc morons, ***, and all the other types of people. There is also the contrary.
I'm just talking from what I've read, but Japan seems to be a bit xenophobic. Nothing really wrong with that, but the melting pots around the rest of the world really aren't going to understand them much. Who knows, tbh? I stopped trying to understand Japanese players about 5 years ago. It's a completely different culture. I'm interested in it, but I will never understand it fully.

They might enjoy a defensive playstyle, but my SAM/WAR likes the 30k i'm getting from the aggressive playstyle on birds w/ polearm @_@

Surprised nobody ever got to the real answer. 2 reasons why they're anti english: Hiroshima & Nagasaki.

Answers like that are a huge reason as well.

That was such a good read. It didn't really elaborate much on the replacement deal though. What I got from it was it's rude to the PT to leave without being there for long. So it's not so much replacing someone as it is the person needing replacing.

I just remembered a PT I had the other day where 2-3 were JP, a couple were NA, and there was one person that spoke both. Helped tremendously when the PT lead misunderstood something I said.

You have to agree that some Japanese harbor some resentment towards Americans for this. It only happened some 60 odd years ago, so those who experienced it and hated Americans for it surely would've instilled that hatred into their children and so on and a few are probably still living today. People still hate Nazi's today, so why couldn't they hate American's too? Not saying this is the sole reason, but it really is something to look at. If your statement was implying the whole, "AMERICA *** YEAH!!!" mentality, then yes, I understand what you mean, but I was being serious with my statement.

Since when did being American make you a bad player or inherintly rude?

I always use the auto translate function when I invite someone to a party and I make sure to use the function when speaking in a party. I don't understand why it would be assumed that 'i talks liek dis' because I speak English. That type of assumption would read into the same stereotype that all Japanese players are either RMT or Tarutarus.

On a side note, I find it funny that when people speak to me they assume I speak a language other than English. :P

Wait. There are non-Taru Japanese?!

(Kidding. The brd/cor I mentioned earlier is a Galka.)

everyone knows ALL Chinese are RMT

Stereotypes exist for a reason, it doesn't mean all people act that way, but some people do (or did) which forms/reinforces the stereotype.

And it is always the bad experiences that you remember, 1 bad apple etc.

lmao It just makes me sad that people assume I am a moron without even knowing me. :(

That's when I either /blist that person or don't invite them to future PTs.

I have a JP PLD I've blacklisted in my mind because he left a XP PT I built (not long after forming) without giving any sort of notice or reason for the abrupt disband. He didn't even log afterwards.

Isn't that what being in a party is about? Learning through experience? Unless those are all repeat actions, then I believe everyone, Japanese or not, agrees that person is an idiot.

If your good at Auto Trans, These 2 websites will be your best friend forever..

Babelfish

Google Translate


That will keep you partying forever with Jp onry Types!

Have a nice day!

glad you shared that but no one called you a moron. RMT are very clever rice growing cyber thugs.

A lot of people think I don't speak english because of my name :P

Being on a JP heavy server, I see a some of the friction spoken of. I get a lot of JP players not responding to my tells (I always try to be polite and always use auto-translate). I don't see as much negative talking, mostly just them not responding. I don't generally get invited by a JP to parties, but Carby is kinda low pop so I put my own pt together for the most part, so I can't really say "Oh JP players won't invite me."

I don't have any problems with them, and often enjoy pt with JP. I never knew about their dislike for replacing, I'll keep that in mind from now on.

Japan people are L33T, they can master any job from level 1.

I've actually had jp players tell me not to use autotranslate. Despite the fact that there english was kinda broken and I don't know any japanese. Or maybe it was because of that and they were practicing idk.

meh, you met the non-*** JP then Das

I thought you were being a smartass, tbh.
I am sure some Japanese still have resentment to us for that, but I highly doubt they are playing FFXI.
I'm a patriot, but 60 years after Pearl Harbor I have other concerns than holding a grudge against people who are all most dead and buried. History is important, but if you can't get past it I believe it will just rule your life.

@Dasva. The translator probably does a fairly terrible job of tranlating what we are trying to communicate. Trying to make a sentence with 10 seperate AT words/phrases is probably going to be jiggerish. Not sure, but I do remember reading that AT was not terribly "accurate" from English to Japanese.

some way a lot of black people still have resentment towards white people due to slavery, and that happened over 100 years ago.

I usually have no trouble at all getting japanese players to join my parties. I give them all the details possible to know about the camp we are heading to for experience points. I also let them know that I have a power level (not sure if that makes them want to join more or less).

I actually have a handful of japanese players that will often ask me if there is a spot in my party when they see me leading one.

This thread -really- needed to be started in Politics and Religion.


The rest of the world would just like to point out that it wasn't until the results of the last US Presidential election to be announced, before they:

a) breathed a collective sigh of relief
b) saw evidence that the American people could elect someone to lead them that has an IQ higher than dirt.
c) knew the US wasn't about to stomp its policies into some other nation again.

Simply put, the world view of America is that of a 500lb, 9foot tall, petulant child.

Regardless of how nice any one US citizen is, it's the country's behavior at large that fixes public (non-US) opinion.

It doesn't. But one of the things you gotta see first is the cultural barrier. In Japanese there's politeness levels that always must be watched. E.I. Saying Good morning can go:

Oyaho Gozaimasu (Polite)
Ohayo (Casual)

When interacting with a JP, I try to be as Polite as possible. NA players have a more relaxed attitude and this is may be why it looks like they're rude. I've most of time done well when PTing with JP players. And when inviting one I start with Sumimasen (written) {Hello!} and ask whatever. Starting with {Excuse me...} supposedly does little sense.
Give this a read, or better better yet the whole thing..
When I have to explain something that its very hard to do in Auto-Translate I use a web translator, and I follow up that I can't read or understand it and that I am using a translator(I can read Hiragana, but thats pretty much it). So far never been called a GM or anything.