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Attribute Merits
Sylph.Sindri
By Sylph.Sindri 2009-12-27 12:46:31
Hades.Hiryo said: Sylph.Sindri said: Hades.Hiryo said: Sylph.Sindri said: We don't gear for attack and we wouldn't even engage the mob except for solo SC purposes.
What..
Are you saying you don't engage the mob.. Because your doing it wrong if you don't engage any mob to cast spells.. Sword damage is very helpful.. >.>
Edit: That whole sentence fails, if you don't engage the mob, you don't get any TP, meaning you can't do a Solo SC.. and your CA spells will be gimped..
Thanks everyone who's replied since then, because some of you actually know a thing or two about BLU. All I wanted was some sensible advice, not bias SAMs.
@ the quote: You obviously misread the sentence, BLU isn't made or broken by sword damage so there's no use focusing on increasing that when you can increase spell damage. All I was saying is that, and because of this we generally only engage to get TP. I never said I didn't engage the mob, or even implied it but our sword damage is so low I don't see a point in increasing it over spell damage.
So you kinda half assing the job then hmmm? i bet you TP in Af don't you. If you wanted to be good at a job surely you should improve all aspects of a job, right? I may be a SAM, but i am also a Blue Mage, With sword merits, and tp / casting sets. So i suggest you check before you make comments suggesting i know nothing about the job.
lol TP in AF? Relic, Enkidu's or Acc. Augmented Mirke. See despite your response that makes absolutely no sense and has no purpose other than an attempt to insult me, I have in fact heard of a thing called macros, not sure where I posted that I haven't. And no if you want to improve a job you make it the best you can be so theres no use meriting a useless aspect for a job and gimping the focus, however from what I've heard additional WS mods and like 1-2 extra damage from a melee hit happen anyways because STR > DEX and like I've said many times that is now what I plan to merit.
Seriously people thread over, STR>DEX for BLU I get it, if your just here to start an arguement than just leave. Can a MOD close this or something? It's just turned into a stress ball for people bored with their lives..
Edit: I also missed the part where everything was about you, as you can see your not the only idiot posting in this thread, and I could have been talking about any one of them.
Hades.Hiryo
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By Hades.Hiryo 2009-12-27 12:51:53
It does make sense, if you want to be good you should improve all aspects of the job, this includes swords right? :X
But nevermind.
Ramuh.Dasva
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-27 12:52:22
Theres nothing wrong with tping in af body if your mp is full and your capped on acc anyways. Which really isn't that hard. My normal tp set not including body has about +10 dex and + 48acc and 5 swd skill in gear. Then acc bonus set more dex spells set sushi etc. Oh yeah and 6 swd merits
Really if you aren't capping acc in your tp set with af body your gunna have serious problems landing spells when you gear for spell mods.
By Audra 2009-12-27 12:52:33
There's nothing stopping you from putting 3 points in str, and 2 into dex, either. Having 3 extra STR and 2 DEX will increase most of your good physical attack spells because of fSTR and the spell mods of dex. The 2 dex will also boost your CA a lot more than having 2 extra str would. It IS okay to mix and match, irregardless of what elitists say. Having the highest str doesn't necessarily make you the best at the end of the day.
Sylph.Sindri
By Sylph.Sindri 2009-12-27 12:55:25
I've exactly the same acc (I use the Accuracy Bonus trait set, not sure if you included that) while wearing AF body, and +14 DEX though I'm not on game right now can't recall if this is wearing AF body or not.
Sylph.Sindri
By Sylph.Sindri 2009-12-27 12:56:20
Audra said: There's nothing stopping you from putting 3 points in str, and 2 into dex, either. Having 3 extra STR and 2 DEX will increase most of your good physical attack spells because of fSTR and the spell mods of dex. The 2 dex will also boost your CA a lot more than having 2 extra str would. It IS okay to mix and match, irregardless of what elitists say. Having the highest str doesn't necessarily make you the best at the end of the day.
God forbid we piss off the Elitists!!!
By Audra 2009-12-27 13:04:35
Sylph.Sindri said: Audra said: There's nothing stopping you from putting 3 points in str, and 2 into dex, either. Having 3 extra STR and 2 DEX will increase most of your good physical attack spells because of fSTR and the spell mods of dex. The 2 dex will also boost your CA a lot more than having 2 extra str would. It IS okay to mix and match, irregardless of what elitists say. Having the highest str doesn't necessarily make you the best at the end of the day.
God forbid we piss off the Elitists!!!
That's what i get out of bed for every day. I'm decently geared, which tends to tick them off because I don't act like a *** to players who can't max out their gear. I've been kicked out of a party for sticking up for a monk who didn't have o kotes in a lower level group before, lol.
By semimmortal 2009-12-27 13:12:23
Depends on what mob your fighting against when debating when you can full time full body af. Use this calculator to check your ACC rating.
Otherwise when unsure, it's best (and advised) to not full-time AF body when fighting VT/IT+ mobs and use it only during spell casting. Mirage, or even scorpion harness can improve the rate of killing the mob faster.
Ramuh.Dasva
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-27 13:14:21
Bah couldn't find a SS of me doing 3 step darkness in pt so you will have to bear with the low numbers of me soloing thanks to using def spell set up and food and lol /sch. Definitely a reason to melee if nothing else. Though really generally SB/disservement much better since disservement dmg so much higher usually
Sylph.Sindri
By Sylph.Sindri 2009-12-27 13:18:03
Audra said: Sylph.Sindri said: Audra said: There's nothing stopping you from putting 3 points in str, and 2 into dex, either. Having 3 extra STR and 2 DEX will increase most of your good physical attack spells because of fSTR and the spell mods of dex. The 2 dex will also boost your CA a lot more than having 2 extra str would. It IS okay to mix and match, irregardless of what elitists say. Having the highest str doesn't necessarily make you the best at the end of the day.
God forbid we piss off the Elitists!!!
That's what i get out of bed for every day. I'm decently geared, which tends to tick them off because I don't act like a *** to players who can't max out their gear. I've been kicked out of a party for sticking up for a monk who didn't have o kotes in a lower level group before, lol.
That sucks, I remember when I was that MNK without OKotes, hell I'll help anyone who needs if I can. Not bad Dasva, Expiacion is clearly broken + it looks sexy as hell! I never said I didn't melee, I said that SCs (Chain Affinity to be more general) were the only reason BLU did, though by doing significant numbers for a 1-hander without use of spells is pretty impressive, I stand corrected on my original views of the subject.
Too bad Azul hasn't posted in this thread :( You and her are like the famous BLUs of FFXIAH...
Midgardsormr.Sectumsempra
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By Midgardsormr.Sectumsempra 2009-12-27 13:21:33
Famous BLU of FFXIAH = Blazza lol
Sylph.Sindri
By Sylph.Sindri 2009-12-27 13:23:59
I've seen Blazza around, though when you think BLU you definately think Azul + Dasva. Either way, the advice that was actually advice and not people trying to tell me how wrong I am about everything was very helpful, thank you to all who posted :)
Ramuh.Dasva
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-27 13:28:24
semimmortal said: Depends on what mob your fighting against when debating when you can full time full body af. Use this calculator to check your ACC rating. Otherwise when unsure, it's best (and advised) to not full-time AF body when fighting VT/IT mobs and use it only during spell casting. Mirage, or even scorpion harness can improve the rate of killing the mob faster. According to that in my normal tp gear with af body, Which granted I only really do now when my mp is full I cap on everything but the nin and thf mamools with no outside buffs. Not like I am generally meleeing things that evasive
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-27 13:30:19
Sylph.Sindri said: I've seen Blazza around, though when you think BLU you definately think Azul + Dasva. Wait wut? Really? That amuses me being like my 4th 75 and well cmon int merited taru that epeens his nukes on both rdm and blm lol.
Sylph.Sindri
By Sylph.Sindri 2009-12-27 19:10:24
I just tried taking out my acc bonus trait last week, aswell as making my macros better (though this has nothing to do with the results). Apparently when casting in AF Body, as long as I have sushi on Imps my accuracy is capped at 95%. Which would make more DEX + Accuracy effectively useless for casting, however without Sushi + using Relic Body I found myself at around the 85% range (Sword Merits not being finished explains this). Nifty little tool, that I wish I had known about before this seeing as 50% of my time on BLU is soloing Imps!!
Remora.Abriel
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By Remora.Abriel 2009-12-28 17:07:30
if you really want to get the most out of stat merits, tailor your spell builds. work out your gear (what you have available v. what you have a high chance of getting), determine what you'll be using for the spells you use most frequently and calculate where your stats will be at from there (before merits) with your preferred spell set. when you get to that point you can better determine what merits will give you the best bang for the buck.
I used this in more or less of a reverse order starting with maxed stat merits (str) and tailoring gear for my builds because I have other melee jobs, but the concept is the same. if +1 of one stat is going to definitely give you +1 dmg over +1 of another go for it, currently I'm working with 120 str/110 dex in my big-3 spell builds. the only way I could be happier is with the new fomor led.s and an ancient torque, lol.
Bahamut.Zorander
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By Bahamut.Zorander 2009-12-28 17:35:47
Str for sure..
And as someone said they are a *** to complete 36 merits in one sitting is alot..and its alot more when you have to redo them because you picked Dex first.
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Bismarck.Angeleus
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By Bismarck.Angeleus 2011-12-28 19:10:50
Didn't feel like reading 3pages.
Suggestions:
STR 6/6 DEX 6/6 or STR 12/12?
Ragnarok.Sekundes
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2011-12-28 19:28:07
Holy crap 730 days...
Anyhow, I've always heard str is going to be best but I'd not know the calculations for comparison and if more merits make a difference then this thread is going to be just a tiny bit out of date...
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2011-12-28 19:31:40
Chr
Bismarck.Sylow
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2011-12-28 19:32:26
12/12 CHR, def the way to go
Bismarck.Angeleus
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By Bismarck.Angeleus 2011-12-28 19:32:27
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »Holy crap 730 days...
Would have made a new thread, but didn't feel like reading the old annoying speech "This subject and thread already exist"
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By Asura.Karbuncle 2011-12-28 19:34:13
Bismarck.Angeleus said: »Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »Holy crap 730 days...
Would have made a new thread, but didn't feel like reading the old annoying speech "This subject and thread already exist"
Which you know would have happened. >_>
Either way, I'm still going 12/12 STR... Which is likely the best bet.
Then again i'm a THF.
Bismarck.Angeleus
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By Bismarck.Angeleus 2011-12-28 19:38:22
Which you know would have happened. >_>
Yes, reason for not making new thread, cuz i wouldn't be able do this every time i see that speech.
well, going for str 12/12 then.
Ty all for the suggestions.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-12-28 20:05:15
Bismarck.Josiahkf said: »Same. it's the most efficient combination to help out all of your jobs more often than the other choices, in some form.
*edit since this is the blu forum, and if someone was only a blu99 all other jobs 49 would you all go with str still? 3 fSTR and 6 attack for both spells and melee along with potential WSC gains for spells/ws is pretty hard to beat. The only alternative stat I'd consider meriting is INT if they mostly nuked, but I'd even question that in practice since BLU is better off meleeing most of the time.
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By Valefor.Rancor 2011-12-28 20:31:33
BACK IN THE DAY >.>;; STR ONRY!
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By Bahamut.Cuelebra 2011-12-28 20:43:02
12/12 CHR, def the way to go CHR!!! rawr!
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By Titan.Bomber 2011-12-28 20:55:16
Im a Taru BLM main so went 12/12 INT XD BLM/SCH Taru gets 114 base INT at 99
As we all know fully meriting an Attribute is a pain in the ass, however for BLU its 7-fold because all our spells are modded by something (Save for breaths + a few buffs). Was planning to go with DEX seeing as most spells have DEX but some have told me I should go strength. Don't have Disseverement yet but I don't want to screw myself by meriting DEX when I should have done STR or something. Interested to know what you think :)
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