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 Sylph.Sindri
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By Sylph.Sindri 2009-12-25 22:04:51
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As we all know fully meriting an Attribute is a pain in the ***, however for BLU its 7-fold because all our spells are modded by something (Save for breaths + a few buffs). Was planning to go with DEX seeing as most spells have DEX but some have told me I should go strength. Don't have Disseverement yet but I don't want to screw myself by meriting DEX when I should have done STR or something. Interested to know what you think :)
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By Bismarck.Maxse 2009-12-25 22:06:48
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without going into detail because im sure someone else will. my vote goes to STR
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By Sylph.Sindri 2009-12-25 22:16:47
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Can't see why STR would, the only major spells it affects are Head Butt which is DMG only not the additional effect, and Disseverment which is equally modded by DEX an attribute that heavily Mods other spells such as Hysterric Barrage, Frenetic Rip and really any other physical spell indirectly via the acc boost (lol 2.5 rounded down)
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By Bismarck.Maxse 2009-12-25 22:20:10
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Well for one str affects your Fstr (ur str vs mobs vit) so its factored into anything psychical weather its a mod or not and It's factored in 2x for anything that has a mod for it. Also dunno if this is of relevance to you but str is generally better than dex for all melees besides thief, so if you have others or will level others down the road it will give you more mileage.
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By Sylph.Sindri 2009-12-25 22:36:35
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BLU doesn't regularly do heavy damage with sword, and it wouldn't be missed all that much if we didn't engage. One of the few reasons we do is TP to stack with Chain Affinity. And this is the first I've heard of STR affecting all physical spells, please elaborate.

Edit: I also forgot Cannonball in STR modded spell list.
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By Bismarck.Maxse 2009-12-25 22:48:19
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Calculating Blue Magic damage

I don't know why you are going to ask for advice If you aren't even going to listen or at the very least look it up before you tell me I am wrong. It's readily available basic knowledge at your fingertips.
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By Ramuh.Lucried 2009-12-25 22:59:28
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between the 2 my vote goes to str. aside from any effect it has on your phys spells, face it no matter how much you say ill nvr lvl such and such job. there WILL come a point where you will lvl another melee or such. and str does help a ton for other melee jobs to. kinda like 2 birds with 1 stone. just my 2 cents
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By semimmortal 2009-12-25 23:33:21
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STR.

The only spell that would get a benefit for only increasing DEX would be Hysterric Barrage for its onry DEX mod. Then again, STR is too counted into the damage formula for H.Barrage (or any other physical spells).
Otherwise, most of the BLU physical spells has STR included into its mod.

Some might enter the mage-y side and merit INT/MND for the magical based spells assuming they merited it because of their other jobs (RDM/BLM/WHM etc).

Otherwise, stick to STR.

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Sylph.Sindri said:
Um BLU on average does about a third of THF with a STR build does in melee hits. We don't gear for attack and we wouldn't even engage the mob except for solo SC purposes.
Wot?
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By Sylph.Sindri 2009-12-26 01:22:12
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semimmortal said:
STR.

The only spell that would get a benefit for only increasing DEX would be Hysterric Barrage for its onry DEX mod. Then again, STR is too counted into the damage formula for H.Barrage (or any other physical spells).
Otherwise, most of the BLU physical spells has STR included into its mod.

Some might enter the mage-y side and merit INT/MND for the magical based spells assuming they merited it because of their other jobs (RDM/BLM/WHM etc).

Otherwise, stick to STR.

Okay, thanks for clearing that up, makes some sense now.
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By Fairy.Brenda 2009-12-26 01:29:52
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Its easier to cap out acc then it is to cap out attack and yeah, the whole fSTR thing too.
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By Fairy.Brenda 2009-12-26 01:32:23
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I have to ask though, if you are missing Disseverment, what spells do you use mostly?
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By Sylph.Sindri 2009-12-26 01:33:49
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Frenetic Rip + Hysteric Barrage. Unfortunately I had quit the game during the Frenzy of Crazy BLUs trying to get sea, and have had terrible luck since then. Many many attempts on Ouryu have yielded nothing but dissapointment :(
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By Izey 2009-12-26 04:20:54
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I'm a stupid Elvaan so I'd do Dex, but thats just cuz I'ma dumb Elvaan~
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By Asura.Humtum 2009-12-26 04:33:53
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oohhh a blu without sea >< don't stop until you have it.

i capped str since my main is sam, i hear good things with blu and lots of dex.
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By Izey 2009-12-26 05:06:33
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I just like to spend more time actually hitting my target, its cooler imo~
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By Izey 2009-12-26 05:06:56
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But I dont think its a BLU problem xD
Then again Idk BLU mine is like 30, but generally speaking
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By Seraph.Helixx 2009-12-26 06:11:44
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if DD to +40% of events = STR


if BLM to +90% of events = INT
if WHM to +90% of events = MND

if BRD to +95% of events = CHR

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By Hades.Hiryo 2009-12-26 06:19:34
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Sylph.Sindri said:
We don't gear for attack and we wouldn't even engage the mob except for solo SC purposes.


What..
Are you saying you don't engage the mob.. Because your doing it wrong if you don't engage any mob to cast spells.. Sword damage is very helpful.. >.>

Edit: That whole sentence fails, if you don't engage the mob, you don't get any TP, meaning you can't do a Solo SC.. and your CA spells will be gimped..
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By Bismarck.Lighttaru 2009-12-26 08:04:53
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Sylph.Sindri said:

I can think of 4 spells that are modded by STR, one is Head Butt whose damage rarely exceeds 100, and is used solely for the stun (INT affects the stun, not the STR). Cannonball, which is a very small part of BLU and not worth limiting your job to. Vertical Cleave Disseverement, Disseverement is equally modded by DEX and Vertical Cleave is a seldom used spell, mainly used to solo Darkness (both spells I do not have access too.)

Saying I should merit STR for when I engage is not a good reason. BLUs will never engage for their sword DMG period, they do very little and it's mainly for TP gain to stack with Chain Affinity for either Solo Skillchains or just regular spells.

Also, DEX is a fine attribute for every DD because of the ACC , and I'm not going to merit STR because some SAM that loves his 5/5 STR merits thinks I shouldn't limit myself because I will eventually level it when that's exactly what I'd be doing to a job that I've already leveled. FYI I hate SAM I couldn't even get through leveling it as a sub and the only two jobs I'm even CONSIDERING to level in the next year are THF and BLM.

Was looking for advice from BLUs who have made the decision, preferably both to help me out, but all I see is bias DDs, most who don't have BLU.

U wanted advice from a blu here we go:

#1- u do fail if u think blu cant DD, i cant stop laughing at ya cuz obviously u dont really DD on it. i aint merited at all in attribute atm cuz im workin for maat cap n surely aint the pimpest blu in FFXI but still i manage to do ~350+ dmg with either savage blade or expiacion (yea i kno its not that big but still dmg is dmg). damn i even manage to ws at least once between SC recast

#2- ur headbutt never did more than 100 dmg? there surely sumthing that aint right cuz im lackin of atk gear cuz i always have been all-around on blu n iirc my lowest HB is ~80dmg

#3- now about str or dex: personally i would go str since im a taru but in the end its really depend of how u play/gear ur blu that will affect the merit u put on, ex: if u have all the str u could via gear then probly u will want to put sum into dex or into sword skill (yes i really said sword skill since blu phys. dmg acc calculated with)
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-26 08:46:34
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Str will almost always win w/o CA unless you are at the fstr cap which you can gear around (though all the spells you should be casting have a fstr cap of 22 meaning to cap you have to have 84 more str then the mob has vit). Each str will add will be .25 to base dmg just from fstr.

Also stat mods get lvl corrected and fstr doesn't. So at 75 30% mod is really worth .249. So basically the only times 1 dex will beat 1 str is if the dex mod is at least 30% higher than the str mod. And then it isn't so much that at that point the dmg gets more so much as they are equal and the dex is giving you acc too.

However, with CA up wsc are doubled while fstr is not. So Basically same thing but 15% now instead of 30%

As far as blu and melee dmg. Yes your spell dmg should be much higher than your melee dmg. And if you aren't casting your DOT is gunna be crap. But the skillchain dmg alone on SB disservement is enough is enough to make me not want to rest and lose tp. And extra dmg is extra dmg. I mean I equip rediculous amounts of str/dex on my blu and full time some good ones like cuch mantle and my melee dps rocks. I crit alot hit hard for a swd. Granted my ws sucks cause hell I'm a taru using a swd lol. But yeah again skillchain dmg ftw.
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By Bismarck.Maxse 2009-12-26 09:33:22
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Sylph.Sindri said:
As we all know fully meriting an Attribute is a pain in the ***, however for BLU its 7-fold because all our spells are modded by something (Save for breaths a few buffs). Was planning to go with DEX seeing as most spells have DEX but some have told me I should go strength. Don't have Disseverement yet but I don't want to screw myself by meriting DEX when I should have done STR or something. Interested to know what you think :)
Sylph.Sindri said:
I can think of 4 spells that are modded by STR, one is Head Butt whose damage rarely exceeds 100, and is used solely for the stun (INT affects the stun, not the STR). Cannonball, which is a very small part of BLU and not worth limiting your job to. Vertical Cleave Disseverement, Disseverement is equally modded by DEX and Vertical Cleave is a seldom used spell, mainly used to solo Darkness (both spells I do not have access too.)

Saying I should merit STR for when I engage is not a good reason. BLUs will never engage for their sword DMG period, they do very little and it's mainly for TP gain to stack with Chain Affinity for either Solo Skillchains or just regular spells.

Also, DEX is a fine attribute for every DD because of the ACC , and I'm not going to merit STR because some SAM that loves his 5/5 STR merits thinks I shouldn't limit myself because I will eventually level it when that's exactly what I'd be doing to a job that I've already leveled. FYI I hate SAM I couldn't even get through leveling it as a sub and the only two jobs I'm even CONSIDERING to level in the next year are THF and BLM.

Was looking for advice from BLUs who have made the decision, preferably both to help me out, but all I see is bias DDs, most who don't have BLU.

(Bold parts)You ask for opinions on STR or DEX than you dont listen. If you already made up your mind why ask. Btw douche bag this is my 3rd character I already have 75 blue leveled in fact I have leveled 12 jobs to 75 I have been playing this game for 6+ years.

(Italicized part) Get it through your thick skull because of Fstr str is factored in 2 times for anything that it is a mod for.
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By Hades.Kvazz 2009-12-26 10:05:58
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I'm not a BLU, but STR and INT are really the best attributes to merit. Unless you'r a hardcore mage that would benefit alot from INT, STR is usually the way to go.
DEX isnt bad either, but I think I'd pick STR over DEX merits anyday really.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-26 10:15:34
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Capping fstr on blu is doable even on the spells. For example since it is an xp mob let's use greater colibri. Your spells will cap fstr on them at 151 str. Now I tp in about 99 usually as an int meritted taru. It is possible for me to get another 53 in gear. I could equip even more str spells especially once I finish meritting assimilation.

But here I will do the spells and how much they add each. Assuming you haven't hit fstr caps of course. Not this is how much it adds to base dmg which is a combination of fstr wsc and math with blu skill not actually dmg numers. Also not even gunna bother with spells that don't have a dex mod.

Spell mods (lvl corrected for lvl 75) dmg added from 1 dex w/o CA dmg added from 1 str w/o CA dmg added from 1 dex w/ CA dmg added from 1 str w/ CA
Frentic rip 20% str/dex .166 .416 .332 .582
Disseverment 20% str/dex .166 .416 .332 .582
Hysteric barrage 30% dex .249 .25 .498 .25
Sickle slash 50% dex .415 .25 .83 .25
Claw cyclone 30% dex .249 .25 .498 .25

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By Fenrir.Akuma 2009-12-26 10:27:11
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Izey said:
I'm a stupid Elvaan so I'd do Dex, but thats just cuz I'ma dumb Elvaan~

Being a 75 Elvaan blu I'd have to agree, my STR isn't a problem and I myself am going to be merit'ing DEX as well as INT for my BLM.
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By Cerberus.Geldric 2009-12-26 11:21:46
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Because race stats matter so much.. Cap STR unless you are most likely going to be BLM main to near all of your events.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-26 11:32:13
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Cerberus.Geldric said:
Because race stats matter so much.. Cap STR unless you are most likely going to be BLM main to near all of your events.
Differences are decently big between races.

Also all mages str is pretty useless and int/mnd will help rdm or sch a bit also. Dex helps thf alot more than str will maybe dnc too. Chr if you are like a career brd. Whm... well while the only real benefit you will get is from mnd yeah it sure doesn't due much kinda like vit on a tank.
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By Cerberus.Geldric 2009-12-26 11:34:07
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Refer to Akuma's post. I was commenting on what he had said.
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By Shiva.Darkshade 2009-12-26 12:00:44
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2009-12-26 12:22:53
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Sylph.Sindri said:
As we all know fully meriting an Attribute is a pain in the ***, however for BLU its 7-fold because all our spells are modded by something (Save for breaths a few buffs). Was planning to go with DEX seeing as most spells have DEX but some have told me I should go strength. Don't have Disseverement yet but I don't want to screw myself by meriting DEX when I should have done STR or something. Interested to know what you think :)

seeing as how you're a hume I'd go with str
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By Cerberus.Geldric 2009-12-26 12:26:41
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Close enough.
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