November 2025 Version Update

(I'm kidding, I'm just very bored and wanted to pretend to be mean to Lili <3)

I think you're totally misunderstanding what I'm trying to say (and I think we agree).

It makes sense that the server decides how many attacks before the round starts. (although I did not really think about this)
It was not intuitive/obvious to me that gil is deducted when the round starts (rather than the actual swing - which would never happen)
The nominal test for this is pretty simple: 0 multi attack on a job, check gil, use item, kill something in 1 hit, check gil (1k less) (which is all I initially was describing - so it was a bit of an indirect response I guess)

Go forward from their with other tests (TA vs. DA vs native DA etc...) which make more sense now, I just misunderstood the initial premise since its more intuitive to observe the attacks. (those results are clear as a bell after clearing up the initial mis-intuitiion)

Definitely not. FUA is completely independent of QA/TA/DA and vice versa. FUA can roll one additional attack, which like the name suggest comes after all the others attack and it's a 50% chance during the round no matter how many attacks this round had (it can't exceed 8 attacks per round ofc).

No, was in normal TP set, so had DA, TA, QA. I should have a bit of time today to test and parse if there is anything specific we want numbers on.

I have a COR with a Rostam Path: B to test anything with follow-up attack.

Somehow the Hoxna items made it in, but there's no update

As RDM I did a sortie last night and used the ammo just on the 8 bosses and Bot, not on any other objectives. I think it was pretty close to 200k, but admittedly I could've been better about it than just eye balling /shrug

Full timing Temper2 though?

I wanna know how much it costs without any other MA. Guess it shouldn't be much more. Did you use the extra tip to ws faster or find that you just we say higher TP? Paper math Vs what will probably be the case in real play.

Of course. I wouldn't both sacrafice DPS and use more Gil at the same time.

So less than the stack of Panaceas. So one seg farm more than covers the cost of 2-3 9b runs. Cheap investment for the dps

In some ways it's mostly like using any other consumables to help get the job done, but with the added benefit that you don't have to visit the AH to stock up on something that may be out of stock.

I'm sure we could contrive some more expensive use scenarios for the ammo, like an exp party or intentionally not wearing your QA or TA gear, or purposely not using Temper II, or using it on trivial parts of content.

I imagine a W3 Dynamis boss, group depending, could eat up a lot more than 200k.

And then there may be jobs whose access to Multi Attack is lacking and for them maybe it'd be more expensive, not having as much TA to cut the procs in half (but those jobs probably also get a bigger percentage boost in TP gain for it)

But it's easy enough to pick and choose when and where you use it, and a person could just pick one or two Basement bosses out of a whole Sortie run, if they wanted.

Ampulla buff can't be absorbed by Fu btw

So you're telling me Fu is broke?

Enchantment would need the item to be equipped so makes sense a mob couldnt steal it. Though maybe gorger could copy it since i think he just copies everything anyway, whether it does anything or not iirc

100% DA fu would be funny though

Who's gonna be first with an add-on that tracks the lifetime total gil spend while wearing ampulla? Could make a helluva fun leaderboard if you wanna aggregate that data.

I think people overestimate how much you spend. Using it for everything that requires dps boost daily, it would maybe be 500k tops.

I think the Dyna D Bonus week drops apply to Shared Area versions too, we got a beastmen medal off a normal mob doing Dyna D windy as the bonus week

You get the chest bonus message as soon as you zone into the applicable zone, thought it was a given.

Can we get the refresh shield yet? How?

If you look at ffxiah front page or playonline which the link points to, it says

I used it in Dyna-D and spent 1.2m, which, considering it's a 2-hour event, wasn't that bad.

I didn't make any value judgments, I'm just curious to see how much someone (and by extension, everyone) will spend over the useful lifetime of the item before it falls out of favor in the meta (which given the pace of updates, could be quite a while!).

Sounds like it's not so much removing money from the economy as slowing the rate at which it enters - which is really just splitting hairs.

On a broader note regarding the update, I was trying to explain to someone who used to play what this update was like and how things feel and the word I kept coming back to was "consequential."

I miss the old days. 20 years ago this ammo would've said "latent effect DA 100%"

And it would've taken a year to figure out everyone was throwing gil away, and it would've been so funny to see.

...and it wouldve mattered cause you didn't make 10m a day and gil meant something, but I digress.

Considering how valuable gil was for many back then, it'd be noticed pretty quickly. Latent would be something silly like HP needs to be at <5% for it to be active and the DA would be 30%

I miss hidden effects

As cool as some of them could be, I'm glad SE isn't playing games with stats anymore. Nothing more frustrating having a hidden effect but you're not sure of the exact criteria needed for it.

Even worse when the hidden effect is absolute ***

https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Fatality_Belt

I used to like browsing this page
https://ffxiclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Latent_and_Hidden_Effects

There was surprisingly decent amount of pieces of equipment that did things with no description or the word latent effect

This was in my Mighty Strikes set for a while.