Taint said: »
I’m still convinced they pick a mob type and a floor. And Temenos has TONS of Nope mob camps that everyone sneaks by to get to the porter.
Neither of us popped it.
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I've done a full clear, I know you said you did one too.
Neither of us popped it.
Asura has had 2 temenos ???s. if SE said they were "making it easier" then simply killing in temenos was never the answer. For whatever reason they made them different. So simply killing still isn't. It's not impossible that "simply killing" isnt it for apolly either but it feels like it is. Simply killing the naraka supposedly isn't the criteria to get the box. Doing 50% of the dmg directly to naraka (i.e. non-AOE dmg) is it... but no one ever kills it indirectly so unless you purposefully tried to fail the condition to reveal no box, you'd never know. For a time I would go into sort and try to fail conditions. It's how I know 50% back damage is for w/e reason not the thing for botulus. You only need 40%.
Anyway regardless of all that stuff... unless people are going to physically check every damn mob they fight or even run past, it's a moot point. Only other possibility is SE is just lying or wrong and it is actually bugged. But same thing if that's true, moot point.
Anyway regardless of all that stuff... unless people are going to physically check every damn mob they fight or even run past, it's a moot point. Only other possibility is SE is just lying or wrong and it is actually bugged. But same thing if that's true, moot point.
klayy said: »
unless people are going to physically check every damn mob they fight or even run past
This is the key point why I think it's been bugged since the beginning and never fixed. SE has bare minimal development resources for FFXI and it's clear they are cutting back on testing, just put it live and anything that is obviously broken the players will report and then SE can quickly fix it, i.e. the teleporters working just fine before yet SE tweaked them and broke it without noticing it themselves, the players had to catch it.
If the ITG mob spawned with a unique name, the players would spot it's existence 100% of the time and would take note if the ??? was spawning or not spawning, or if the NM just wasn't spawning at all, etc. The players would have spotted the pattern and reported what wasn't working to SE and then SE would fix it proper. But because 99% of players are just rushing through grinding their clears and are not aware what's going on with the ITG mob at all, we cannot be the testers SE needs us to be and articulate what isn't working, so SE is essentially blind to the problem, so its understandable it's persisted for so long and they think they made Temenos ??? easier, but clearly haven't and they certainly aren't testing it thoroughly themselves.
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Theres ~750 mobs in Temenos. Presuming you kill the bare minimum and only check the extras, thats still ~638 mobs to check.
I believe you can only check one mob every 2 seconds or so. Thats over 21 minutes of checking mobs presuming no errors. Thats 21 minutes extra tacked onto your clear that takes like 50 minutes.
I believe you can only check one mob every 2 seconds or so. Thats over 21 minutes of checking mobs presuming no errors. Thats 21 minutes extra tacked onto your clear that takes like 50 minutes.
Yeah I would love to pay attention and try to spot what's going wrong, but it's just too much effort to check everything. My top guess is along the lines of what SE reported as the original bug, when the ITG mob is idle, it checks ITG, but then on pull/aggro the newly invented dynamic level adjustment takes place, the bug occurs and the mob loses its ITG status, and thus loses its ability to drop the ???. This is the top thing I'd want to pay attention to, I'd predict if the mob continues to check ITG just before its death, then you might get a ???. If its no longer checking ITG then you won't get a ???.
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Still no report of the Temenos ??? on Asura, after what, 2 weeks since their patch?
Whatever it is they "fixed" I'd dare to say it's not enough?
Whatever it is they "fixed" I'd dare to say it's not enough?
Just need more bot parties.
I mean we are back at sea it is on brand to "fix" things here like they "fixed" AV so many times
I have no motivation to do any more limbus after just a handful of pieces. I really think the prices should have been 9/12/15/18/21k or so. I'd be more inclined to make some of the less important pieces at lower prices, but I'm not going to grind at these rates.
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Because the Temenos ??? Is so rare, at this point it should be 15000 Temenos units flat, to make up for all the times we've not been able to get it because it was bugged.
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Asura Temenos ??? is currently near chest on Central F4.
However, clicking on it, I get "There is nothing out of the ordinary here". I don't understand why - I have completed multiple Temenos runs and have 3 grace effects. What else do I need? I have never obtained Temenos units from this ??? previously.
However, clicking on it, I get "There is nothing out of the ordinary here". I don't understand why - I have completed multiple Temenos runs and have 3 grace effects. What else do I need? I have never obtained Temenos units from this ??? previously.
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Thats weird. we just swung by there and grabbed the points. You shouldn't "need" anything to get it. Only time you're supposed to get that msg is if you snagged it already. Or last week when the emergency maint moved the apolly one on asura.
I've gotten the one in Apollyon twice since Limbus was introduced, but this was the first time I ever clicked on the Temenos one.
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It was doing this to people last time the temenos one was up on bahamut too. I'm not really sure what the logic behind it is as some people were able to get it and some people weren't. I assume it's bugged in some way just not sure how exactly.
This game is ***. I can't pick it up either. Did no limbus this week -_-
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I just picked it up on 2 chars, think first time ever in Temenos
Maybe you can only pick up one every 72 hours between both zones combined?
I've noticed a pattern along the lines of, your first pickup after an emergency maintenance in a zone is blocked if you picked up in that zone before. Happened to most people in Asura Apollyon after the emergency maintenance there, and also fit with that Bahamut person in Temenos from some weeks ago. It seems like emergency maintenance isn't properly (re)setting some flags for the ???. Regular monthly maintenance has been no problem for me picking up ??? right after.
I wonder if the ??? gets bugged if you clear the floor first then try to get it. It's probably a long shot but in the screenshot shiraj posted, he clearly gets the points clear then the ??? fails. It's unlikely that that is the issue but i'm not sure I've ever done that prior. More often than not, I hear about where it is and just go grab it and bounce.
Yeah I've only ever seen this happen on first ??? appearance since an emergency maintenance, I was able to pickup this Temenos ??? on both my characters which I wasn't expecting. I can't say if I picked up the previous Temenos ??? that spawned since it's location maybe went unreported.
For Apollyon it's spawn on Asura is so predictable I for sure have picked up every one that appeared every ~72 hours, and in that case after emergency maintenance I couldn't get the first ??? that spawned, which is the only time I ever tried to get a ??? and couldn't. My LS mate who I don't think ever picked up an Apollyon ??? ever was able to pick up the first one after emergency maintenance just fine. We were both doing the same Apollyon clear together so our kill/floor status was identical, we both tried to pick it up on the floor before killing anything, I couldn't get it and he was able to get it, so I don't think your objective status is a factor.
For Apollyon it's spawn on Asura is so predictable I for sure have picked up every one that appeared every ~72 hours, and in that case after emergency maintenance I couldn't get the first ??? that spawned, which is the only time I ever tried to get a ??? and couldn't. My LS mate who I don't think ever picked up an Apollyon ??? ever was able to pick up the first one after emergency maintenance just fine. We were both doing the same Apollyon clear together so our kill/floor status was identical, we both tried to pick it up on the floor before killing anything, I couldn't get it and he was able to get it, so I don't think your objective status is a factor.
Did a run with four players total. None of us have done Limbus at all this week. Two of us were able to collect the 3000 points in Temenos and the other two got the "There is nothing out of the ordinary here." message. Seems randomly bugged for some players and not others.
Any other differences between the players?
Cleared temenos before (ever)?
Number of graces?
Got apollyon ??? this week?
Any number of other things?
Seems a bit early to declare it's bugged.
Cleared temenos before (ever)?
Number of graces?
Got apollyon ??? this week?
Any number of other things?
Seems a bit early to declare it's bugged.
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »
Any other differences between the players?
Cleared temenos before (ever)?
Number of graces?
Got apollyon ??? this week?
Any number of other things?
Seems a bit early to declare it's bugged.
Cleared temenos before (ever)?
Number of graces?
Got apollyon ??? this week?
Any number of other things?
Seems a bit early to declare it's bugged.
Ive got all the Graces, got the ??? Apollyon yesterday.
I did a full Tememnos climb earlier like monday or tuesday.
I tried on 3 other chars as well, no points. The last one I dont do any Limbus with at all besides the ??? sometimes. And I was able to collect the Apollyon after trying Temenos.
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Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »
Any other differences between the players?
Cleared temenos before (ever)?
Number of graces?
Got apollyon ??? this week?
Any number of other things?
Cleared temenos before (ever)?
Number of graces?
Got apollyon ??? this week?
Any number of other things?
Cleared both zones at least 5 times on release, my cap is 48k and 51k.
All of us that I do runs with do 2-5 runs per week. We did Temenos again today with a 5th person who was able to get the ??? points. Other two players who could not get before still could not get it. Doing Apollyon runs we were all able to grab that one twice this week (different spots).
Has SE or anyone officially explained why the coffer will yield 3k or 5k yet? I originally saw it like Dominion participation where the more actions or damage you take the likelihood of more pts, but I am seriously at a loss.
Should we just accept the RNG for it ? :(
Should we just accept the RNG for it ? :(
I think I'm just opting out of this until they finish it. This is so stupid.
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FWIW, I was able to get 3k from the Temenos ??? yesterday on a character that was pretty fresh to Limbus; I had only done one tower clear previously @127 (this run was at 130), had never run Apollyon at all, nor received any Grace from the box previously.
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Bahamut.Dannyl said: »
Has SE or anyone officially explained why the coffer will yield 3k or 5k yet? I originally saw it like Dominion participation where the more actions or damage you take the likelihood of more pts, but I am seriously at a loss.
Should we just accept the RNG for it ? :(
Should we just accept the RNG for it ? :(
Anyone who multiboxes will tell you there seems to be no rhyme or reason.
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On one char I got 5k 5k then 3k forever, other char 3k forever.
On one char I got 5k 5k then 3k forever, other char 3k forever.
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