Limbus 2025
Limbus 2025
There are def ppl botting in temenos. I ran past at least 3 in central and eastern. And I def stop and scanfor ???s cuz whoever said that is right... if it pops anywhere its more than likely gonna be in a place ppl are botting. The last two apollyon ???s (including the one today) are 100% in places ppl bot.
klayy said: »
if it pops anywhere its more than likely gonna be in a place ppl are botting
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying there would be more teme reports than what we've had so far. I've personally picked up the ??? in aby more times than there have been total teme reports in this thread across all servers.
Two days after new limbus was released is when SE attempted to fix Temenos, as well as other tweaks such as reducing number of kills. Two days is not nearly enough time for SE's skeleton crew to receive a bug report, reproduce the bug, attempt a solid fix, and verify the bug was truly fixed in all cases. That is only enough time for a quick and dirty attempt at fixing the bug and barely any time to verify it's actually fixed.
It is safest to assume Temenos is bugged at this point and I would ignore it at the moment for ??? theorycrafting. I fully expect next month's or the month after's patch notes to comment on them trying to fix Temenos ??? again. Temenos is either bugged or functions completely differently from Apollyon.
It is safest to assume Temenos is bugged at this point and I would ignore it at the moment for ??? theorycrafting. I fully expect next month's or the month after's patch notes to comment on them trying to fix Temenos ??? again. Temenos is either bugged or functions completely differently from Apollyon.
As a random example, SE attempted to fix their skillup bug they introduced, where being /NIN casting utsusemi would give you ninjitsu skill ups. The day after SE implemented their fix for the bug, I got another /NIN ninjitsu skillup, so just because SE says they fixed their bug absolutely does not mean they fixed it.
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
That implies any mob has a chance to respawn as ITS opposed to one being selected at random when its due.
Think its fairly likely that once the ??? is gone, something would need to die to then respawn the ITG. Feel like that's how its worked in the past and a mob merely becoming ITG without any player action would leave it suspectible to being something off path or out of the way that basically never gets killed intentionally in tem. I'll admit to giving SE some benefit of the doubt... which considering the things absolutely appears to bew bugged.. maybe I shouldnt lo. But yeah on Asura we're still at 2 temenos ??? sightings. Apolly is however many days this content has been live divided by 3. It's appeared within hours every time. So 10?
klayy said: »
Think its fairly likely that once the ??? is gone, something would need to die to then respawn the ITG. Feel like that's how its worked in the past and a mob merely becoming ITG without any player action would leave it suspectible to being something off path or out of the way that basically never gets killed intentionally in tem.
Using Teme N floor 1 as an example:
Orcs are outside the entrance
Yags are outside the exit
Quads and Evil Weapons are off the beaten path
(edit: I mixed up Yags and Quads here)
No ones killing Quads or Weapons there. Obviously, thats one floor out of 25, but the premise is mostly the same for the entire area. This doesnt hold true for Apy. You can open the dat for yourself and see how every mob type is grouped together, despite not having distinct groups in the field like temenos.
\SquareEnix\FINAL FANTASY XI\ROM3\3\20.dat
7 wights
7 ghosts
7 doomed
7 corse
This is first floor of SE, yet all those mobs are mixed all over the place across their respective maps.
Ergo, under your theory, presuming its based on something being killed and respawning ITG, then its more likely to pop up in tem vs apy.
Of course, the zone being broken, and I dont disagree that its broken, throws a huge wrench into everything.
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Im saying the same mobs are being killed every time in tem. N1 for example.. ther's 4 rooms orcs first yags at the portal up... Quadavs beyond the orcs... and i dont even know what's in the other room lol. Everyone is killing at the start or the end and almost nothing in between.. cept for bots. No one kills gigas/ghrahs/ dolls/golems or whatever else is in the big square room on the 2nd floor. Apolly is open enough that you can run along one side or the other or maybe even right down the middle -- without sneak or invis crucially -- aggro some stuff, kill it. Think there's more variety in the pathing. I dont target one particular room or mob on apolly. I just aggro a few things and kill whatever ends up chasing me. I'll try avoid slimes or dragons or adamantoises but if I get them, I get them. Esp the adamantoises which i cant sleep
Thats what I mean though. You said "something needs to die to respawn ITG". If you're suggesting that ANY mob can respawn ITG, then tem would be more noticeable because its generally the same subset of mobs being killed in temenos: the ones closest to the entrance or exit of the floor.
The suggestion that "its more likely to spawn around botters" would further imply that ANY mob has a chance to respawn ITG, which would only reinforce the notion that tem ITG and ??? would be more noticable.
Unless I'm completely misunderstanding something.
The suggestion that "its more likely to spawn around botters" would further imply that ANY mob has a chance to respawn ITG, which would only reinforce the notion that tem ITG and ??? would be more noticable.
Unless I'm completely misunderstanding something.
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The ??? in Temenos was up today in Central 1F. Right on the ramp to the teleporter off the floor.
Was glad to hear it'd been found.
I went to get my "weekly" points from it.
"Nothing out of the ordinary."
Were the ???s just one time deals? Like, what gives?
Because I got my points out of them the first week before the maintenance, and I coulda swore I got points out of the Apollyon ??? again later on
But yeah, like, this is the second time I've touched a ??? in Temenos, and got nada. What gives?
Was glad to hear it'd been found.
I went to get my "weekly" points from it.
"Nothing out of the ordinary."
Were the ???s just one time deals? Like, what gives?
Because I got my points out of them the first week before the maintenance, and I coulda swore I got points out of the Apollyon ??? again later on
But yeah, like, this is the second time I've touched a ??? in Temenos, and got nada. What gives?
I feel like even a handful of botters killing stuff 24/7 is going to have higher odds of the rest of us doing it. I saw one group in the exact same spot tonight as I did last night. I cant say they never moved bc im not stalking them lol. But reasonable chance they stay there for hrs. Again they arent moving. How much of a climber's time is spent climbing and not killing? wouldnt shock me in the slightest if bots killed more mobs in there than actual players. Tem is almost certainly bugged so its a moot point. But if its actually around and none of us are finding it at the start or end... its either spawned on a bot off path or its just getting glitched out imo. I mean why wouldnt you look around a botter for a ???
What Im saying is I dont believe the ??? despawns and some random mob just becomes ITG. Like I said, that runs the risk of some random ghrah in a huge central floor or some unseelie that basically no one is dumb enough to kill on purpose would just be it. So we all start killing stuff and eventually one of them lotto pops the ITG.
What Im saying is I dont believe the ??? despawns and some random mob just becomes ITG. Like I said, that runs the risk of some random ghrah in a huge central floor or some unseelie that basically no one is dumb enough to kill on purpose would just be it. So we all start killing stuff and eventually one of them lotto pops the ITG.
Bahamut.Calmwind said: »
The ??? in Temenos was up today in Central 1F. Right on the ramp to the teleporter off the floor.
Was glad to hear it'd been found.
I went to get my "weekly" points from it.
"Nothing out of the ordinary."
Were the ???s just one time deals? Like, what gives?
Because I got my points out of them the first week before the maintenance, and I coulda swore I got points out of the Apollyon ??? again later on
But yeah, like, this is the second time I've touched a ??? in Temenos, and got nada. What gives?
Was glad to hear it'd been found.
I went to get my "weekly" points from it.
"Nothing out of the ordinary."
Were the ???s just one time deals? Like, what gives?
Because I got my points out of them the first week before the maintenance, and I coulda swore I got points out of the Apollyon ??? again later on
But yeah, like, this is the second time I've touched a ??? in Temenos, and got nada. What gives?
JP players are reporting that for the Tenemos ??? on Baha that you are only able to get it if you've never touched a ??? in Tenemos previously which matches with your experience too. That might be intended or a new bug, who knows. At this point, Tenemos doesn't seem to follow any reliable logic.
The bot parties are camping in the middle of safe rooms only, mostly looking gigas
Bahamut.Calmwind said: »
The ??? in Temenos was up today in Central 1F. Right on the ramp to the teleporter off the floor.
Was glad to hear it'd been found.
I went to get my "weekly" points from it.
"Nothing out of the ordinary."
Were the ???s just one time deals? Like, what gives?
Because I got my points out of them the first week before the maintenance, and I coulda swore I got points out of the Apollyon ??? again later on
But yeah, like, this is the second time I've touched a ??? in Temenos, and got nada. What gives?
Was glad to hear it'd been found.
I went to get my "weekly" points from it.
"Nothing out of the ordinary."
Were the ???s just one time deals? Like, what gives?
Because I got my points out of them the first week before the maintenance, and I coulda swore I got points out of the Apollyon ??? again later on
But yeah, like, this is the second time I've touched a ??? in Temenos, and got nada. What gives?
Maybe you have to do a certain amount of kills before you can use the ???, so it isn't just a weekly handout?
My mules grabbed 3 ???s this week and didn't kill a single mob in Apollyon. (They did kill mobs the first week)
Bahamut.Calmwind said: »
The ??? in Temenos was up today in Central 1F. Right on the ramp to the teleporter off the floor.
Thank you ! got my pts
I can confirm the ??? rewards are every time it moves, it is not weekly. On bahamut the ??? in apollyon has moved 3 times in the last 7 days and I've claimed it each time on my 3 characters.
Just recently Temenos' ??? appeared for the first time since that emergency update. Before the update I had only played 2 of my characters and found/claimed the ??? in Temenos, updated happened never saw it again until now. Those 2 characters could NOT claim the newly found ??? my friends as well were unable to claim, however, my 3rd character that I didn't use on launch was able to claim and get the 3000 points from Temenos.
Current locations on Bahamut are Temenos Central F1 on the ramp to the exit portal. Apollyon is SE#4 just before the exit portal.
One thing is, I didn't do apollyon before that update, so I don't know if anyone that did apollyon first was able to continually claim apollyon's after the update or it if said "nothing out of the ordinary" like the current situation with Temenos'
But imo Temenos' is bugged ever since that update.
I believe the first location I found Temenos' before the update was also in central, and Apollyon's several ??? have mostly spawned between SE and SW I believe. Not sure if there's a reason or just coincidence.
Just recently Temenos' ??? appeared for the first time since that emergency update. Before the update I had only played 2 of my characters and found/claimed the ??? in Temenos, updated happened never saw it again until now. Those 2 characters could NOT claim the newly found ??? my friends as well were unable to claim, however, my 3rd character that I didn't use on launch was able to claim and get the 3000 points from Temenos.
Current locations on Bahamut are Temenos Central F1 on the ramp to the exit portal. Apollyon is SE#4 just before the exit portal.
One thing is, I didn't do apollyon before that update, so I don't know if anyone that did apollyon first was able to continually claim apollyon's after the update or it if said "nothing out of the ordinary" like the current situation with Temenos'
But imo Temenos' is bugged ever since that update.
I believe the first location I found Temenos' before the update was also in central, and Apollyon's several ??? have mostly spawned between SE and SW I believe. Not sure if there's a reason or just coincidence.
Feels like this content is designed to force all the 2 boxers to become 3 boxers tbh. The 3 trust limitation won't force people to play together, just get more accounts (as I've seen).
Can silence skele and corse and demon on brd/whm easy, couldn't land it on ahriman.
Are some demon true sight? I got aggrod with sneak and invis on.
Can silence skele and corse and demon on brd/whm easy, couldn't land it on ahriman.
Are some demon true sight? I got aggrod with sneak and invis on.
Imps and Tauri are True Sight.
Lakshmi's Apollyon ??? Is at SW2's exit.
Lakshmi's Apollyon ??? Is at SW2's exit.
Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
Imps and Tauri are True Sight.
Lakshmi's Apollyon ??? Is at SW2's exit.
Lakshmi's Apollyon ??? Is at SW2's exit.
Demon family links with each other, so as soon as one aggros you, the others link. Probably an imp or Tauri aggroed you and the demon linked.
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After a few weeks of digestion time, I think:
1. The +4 armor was underwhelming. The stat upgrades were boring and mostly resulted in editing +3s to +4s.
2. This is basically the content being added in 2024/2025/(2026?), so it needs to have at least two years of grind in it. For reference, our last major event addition was Sortie in July of 2022.
3. However, the grind to get everything that matters to +4 is not very long if you are doing a piece or two per week. I'm basically done everything that matters now, but I went pretty hard at it.
4. My guess is that farming one floor is only ~25% slower than farming chests and is way less effort. They should have made continued repeats keep halving if they wanted to avoid this.
5. Giving monsters 50% SDT is silly and exploitable (via banish/tomahawk). They should have just given the monsters twice as much HP and put them on the Apex scale.
I think they are going to make the grind longer with +5. It seems unlikely to me that it is going to use Apollyon/Temenos units, but I would not be surprised to see an empy+2 to empy+3/prime weapon-like grind jump with +5.
1. The +4 armor was underwhelming. The stat upgrades were boring and mostly resulted in editing +3s to +4s.
2. This is basically the content being added in 2024/2025/(2026?), so it needs to have at least two years of grind in it. For reference, our last major event addition was Sortie in July of 2022.
3. However, the grind to get everything that matters to +4 is not very long if you are doing a piece or two per week. I'm basically done everything that matters now, but I went pretty hard at it.
4. My guess is that farming one floor is only ~25% slower than farming chests and is way less effort. They should have made continued repeats keep halving if they wanted to avoid this.
5. Giving monsters 50% SDT is silly and exploitable (via banish/tomahawk). They should have just given the monsters twice as much HP and put them on the Apex scale.
I think they are going to make the grind longer with +5. It seems unlikely to me that it is going to use Apollyon/Temenos units, but I would not be surprised to see an empy+2 to empy+3/prime weapon-like grind jump with +5.
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Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
4. My guess is that farming one floor is only ~25% slower than farming chests and is way less effort. They should have made continued repeats keep halving if they wanted to avoid this.
It takes 7 chest opens per zone (~70k points?) to get to 50k capacity right now. Unless you're even less excited about +4 armors than I am, 70k probably isn't enough to cap you out on armors, so you have to choose whether you're going to keep opening chests or just grind away on a floor.
Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
After a few weeks of digestion time, I think:
I think they are going to make the grind longer with +5. It seems unlikely to me that it is going to use Apollyon/Temenos units, but I would not be surprised to see an empy+2 to empy+3/prime weapon-like grind jump with +5.
I think they are going to make the grind longer with +5. It seems unlikely to me that it is going to use Apollyon/Temenos units, but I would not be surprised to see an empy+2 to empy+3/prime weapon-like grind jump with +5.
I really hope its use units to pop NMs that drop upgrade items. (Like Abyssea Emp +1/2)
If its just grind units then botting will be 100% the norm, just like MLs.
I think you missed this part:
AF costs:
Bead costs for +2 are 10 for instant or 500 for immediate
Combined bead costs for +3 are 500 for 2 hour wait or 25000 for immediate (10300 or 15200 for a ~1 hour wait)
Original card costs were 6/7/8/9/10 for +2 and 30/35/40/45/50 for +3, an extra x5 requirement. This has been reduced to 3/4/5 and 9/12/15, an extra x3 requirement.
Relic costs:
Original costs were 2 shards for +2 and 3 shard & 3 void for +3 The +3 cost has since been reduced to 2 shard & 2 void for +3. Nonetheless, the cost for the +3 was still higher than the +2.
Emp costs:
10k galli for +2
80k galli for +3
Based on these precedents across the board:
1-there is no reason to believe it will not require apy/teme units as the +2 and +3 of each variant stuck to its content source.
2-its highly unlikely that any of the +5 pieces will be upgradable if all you did was bot the content (or farmed one floor legit for hours on end if the term bot offends you) and have a 30k unit cap in both zones.
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
especially if the +5 is gonna have larger costs.
AF costs:
Bead costs for +2 are 10 for instant or 500 for immediate
Combined bead costs for +3 are 500 for 2 hour wait or 25000 for immediate (10300 or 15200 for a ~1 hour wait)
Original card costs were 6/7/8/9/10 for +2 and 30/35/40/45/50 for +3, an extra x5 requirement. This has been reduced to 3/4/5 and 9/12/15, an extra x3 requirement.
Relic costs:
Original costs were 2 shards for +2 and 3 shard & 3 void for +3 The +3 cost has since been reduced to 2 shard & 2 void for +3. Nonetheless, the cost for the +3 was still higher than the +2.
Emp costs:
10k galli for +2
80k galli for +3
Based on these precedents across the board:
1-there is no reason to believe it will not require apy/teme units as the +2 and +3 of each variant stuck to its content source.
2-its highly unlikely that any of the +5 pieces will be upgradable if all you did was bot the content (or farmed one floor legit for hours on end if the term bot offends you) and have a 30k unit cap in both zones.
If anything, I hope NM pop items come from chests and aren't obtained directly from fodder.
Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
Demon family links with each other, so as soon as one aggros you, the others link. Probably an imp or Tauri aggroed you and the demon linked.
Pulled Cyhiraeth in a group of demons/imps/tauri, nothing linked
Pulled Imp in a group of demons/tauri/cyhiraeth, nothing linked
Pulled a Tauri and only the surrounding demons linked (by sight)
So it's the Tauri
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The point requirements feel too high for me for the +5 to take points. The grind is pretty brutal since it is so boring as it is.
What I'd like to see is something like if you fill the bar with one mob type you get a KI in inventory to pop an NM of that beastman race or mob type. These NMs give 500 points per kill and also can drop items for +5. Say it takes 5 items to +5 and the drop rate is 12% per slot (TH increases it, yay for making THF useful) and there are 2 slots. It will still be brutal but beats it become afk bot content which it has already.
What I'd like to see is something like if you fill the bar with one mob type you get a KI in inventory to pop an NM of that beastman race or mob type. These NMs give 500 points per kill and also can drop items for +5. Say it takes 5 items to +5 and the drop rate is 12% per slot (TH increases it, yay for making THF useful) and there are 2 slots. It will still be brutal but beats it become afk bot content which it has already.
I haven't really stuck around on a floor to go past a second reward
I think I did last night and got around
In Tenmos 130
170
85
85
Is the bonus the same for subsequent attempts? because if it stays at the second value I could see the appeal to just sticking around especially if the mob type is dying faster than the ones at the doors.
I was under the impression it was halved each time.
I think I did last night and got around
In Tenmos 130
170
85
85
Is the bonus the same for subsequent attempts? because if it stays at the second value I could see the appeal to just sticking around especially if the mob type is dying faster than the ones at the doors.
I was under the impression it was halved each time.
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