Please Open If Horizon Had A $1 Monthly Fee Again

Horizon is the like the sun rising over a beautiful golf course in Florida, truly fantastic.

Fitting comparison. Florida is the buttcrack of the US.

Places full of absolutely shitty people:
Florida :handshake: HorizonXI

"Teenage"... ; ;

I was out of college by the time FFXI launched in the US. I wasted my teenage years in the arcades.

That is actually True,

It isn't a different gameplay experience. You group up, get to a camp and kill the same trash mobs over and over. You can even add the forced/fake "Hi party ^0^." When CP first came out a lot of people were teaming up for it. There was nothing special about exp parties, they are always the same garbage, its not some magical gameplay experience to kill trash mobs in a MMO.

leveling with barely any haste/buffs, mages going oom with no refresh, SATAing tanks for hate, and maxing out at chain 5 is not the same gameplay as capped DT, max buffs, infinite mp, and self skillchaining for capped damage to chain 300.

one is painfully slow and the other is akin to speed running. both have their benefits and downsides but it's not the same thing and you know it, hence why people opt to play different eras.

Summon some shitty trusts if you wanted to exp like a gimp in 2009.

Me: head GM is corrupt
Head GM: setsu is a bad person and hurts my mental health
Simps: you're crazy go away you just hate women leave GM alone
Me: but heres all the reasons why and proof
My ls members: Setsu's right, we've seenst it
Head GM: omg i answer so many GM tickets and setsu is being mean
Simps: pls quit already you are bad stop talking and make your simps leave too

*head GM ousted after proof of corruption comes from a former friend of hers who is not a female*

Me: so like I was saying........
Simps: holy crap you are so bad we're glad you're receiving threats you have a victim complex you suck get back in the kitchen
Spicyryan: You're not being threatened. Stop posting to defend yourself from people who are making things up such as myself. You're banned from reddit

That's been my experience.

i *** swear spicy hated the server nasomi so bad whenever people posted about it in ffxiah and reddit and now he is the forefront of Catseyexi Like what?

"Horizon is HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE" is what I get from this. I agree. It is much slower than retail >.> <.<


70% of FFXI retail players never set foot in endgame content until the level cap broke to 99. It makes perfect sense to me why people are content to live in the dunes. That's all they ever knew of the game. I don't think it's accurate to say that the experience is different. You're really just limiting yourself if we're honest.


Also worth noting, 99999 is the new 3k. It doesn't matter that I can hit hundreds of times harder than you can because the mobs I'm hitting have obscene amounts of health to compensate.

Whether you are in a new school ML group or an old school meripo, you are battling the same chain bonus timer. Nothing new.


*edit
Tested the time machine (aka the censor ship) and it works even when the word is used correctly. All is well.

They play in horizon because they cant do much in XI And they have trouble to clear XIV trials. i tell you 90% of them are actually 14 players before 11 lol. or just played during Abyssea and still call it the worst expansion, when on reality it was actually 1 of the best content to play, abyssea brought Neo Nyzule Voidwatch, and much more like relic upgrades to level 99 yes abyssea suck, because its not nihilistic because ppl who had time now came and *** out claimed u on 15-30 mins place holder nm's that's why they are sad little weird ***, starting with those whoreizon devs.

i swear if square add official classic ffxi these guys would find a reason to hate it.

As much as it pains me to say it, I agree with the PS crowd here in so far as the EXP experience is different. Even taking into account the differences in HP (99k vs 600) it's still different because you're WSing way more often (changes the gameplay loop), you can self-SC instead of SCing as a party, the mobs die WAY faster (like 15 seconds on retail) and MP/HP are not a concern at all, where they *can* be at era (IDK about Horizon because they *** the balance).

I still think you can replicate most of this on retail, except you'd need to shift the entire population of PS all at once to the same retail server, because you need the population to make low level EXPing viable. That said...I don't think EXPing is the main allure of 75-capped gameplay. Maybe people enjoy it but IMO that's 100% nostalgia. If you put a brand new player who's never played FFXI on a level 25 MNK and put him in a Yuhtunga Jungle EXP party, he's going to hang himself with his keyboard before he hits 30, it's ball-numbingly boring. This is an opinion and you're welcome to feel differently, but it is my opinion that the EXP party experience for most (all) jobs at era is boring as ***.

You could argue that the endgame loop is more engaging because there are no tags to collect so you can play-as-you-feel or whatever, but I think that's really oversimplifying retail content, especially for a new player. For a new/returning player coming to FFXI, you are absolutely not beholden to daily tags, you have about 20 different pieces of content to do and almost none of them have a tag. Plus, era 75 also has loads of content with time-gated lockouts (Limbus, Dynamis, Assaults, Einherjar). This all assumes that free-form content is better in the first place. Going to Sky and farming god popsets is largely comprised of: walking around sky using silent oils, killing trash mobs that pose no threat to you, and standing around waiting for PHs/NMs to spawn. When you do spawn an NM, they're largely trivial for a group larger than 1 to fight, and many can be solo'd by a single player.

IDK, I think 99% of the people who love PS and think it's the premier FFXI experience have little/no experience with the modern retail experience and those who suggest that retail is just repeating the same two events are talking about playing already maxed characters on retail, not the experience for a fresh new/returning player. There's plenty to do and basically all of it involves partying up with others and doing engaging content with actual mechanics and challenging bosses.

I think some of these things are wrong. Freeze had a 17 second casttime, and it was not uncommon to have a crab party where the BLM would start freeze as soon as the mob was pulled, and the DD would skillchain during the casttime, leaving the mob dead when the cast ended. The killspeed in merit parties at colibri was sufficient to clear a whole floor (11 colibri and 3 wivre) and still have time left over to grab other mobs before the ~6 minute repop started. So, killspeed there is well under 30 seconds as well. You certainly WSed less frequently, but not that much less for post-60 with a bard.

Of course, classic in 2008 was not like this. But, current classic players are largely people who were obsessed with old FFXI and understand all the intricacies and optimizations. Private servers will never get back the naivety that existed in the old era. Retail players won't ever accept parties without haste cap, but with this in mind, do private servers? I honestly don't know.

The real big difference IMO is that you actually have people who *want* to exp on private servers. On retail, those are very much the minority and pretending you can easily assemble a group of 6 to do mastery and not have half of them stealth botting is silly.

Spot on.

Idk dude, the few horizon streamers I watched all complained that retail is a huge grind... while grinding in altepa or wherever for XP. All of them on bst or thf cause PS "balancing".

The lolz write themselves.

I'm not trying to imply you could equate ML to exp parties, I'm saying you can make a level 10-75 EXP party and kill bats in Garlaige or Crawlers in CN. The only difference would be the exp rates I guess? So you might have *gasp* less grinding, the horror.

As for the other stuff IDK, if a BLM at level 60 casts Freeze that's like half their MP pool, you won't be doing 17 second kills for very long, maybe 3 kills in a row then you're resting for about 90 seconds, even if you somehow have RDM and BRD refresh. I agree though, merit parties were very fast, especially when Colibri came out.

Don’t be mean to Florida

*Fondly remembers back in late 2006(maybe early 07) when the *** Candy got taken on Asura, and I had a party run out to Mamool Ja Staging Point, and we did Chain 392 and then disbanded*

And the whole time one of the Mithras in the party was trying to convince me that offhanding Joyeuse was killing my double attack rate. Meripos were good when they were good.

People's perception of what were fast kills changed all the time back then in the earlier levels though. I remember the cadence for most EXP up until the 60s was like fast kill > slow kill > fast kill > slow kill due to bigger abilities being on cooldown. Aht Urhgan had come out by the time I was in the mid 50s, I had restarted around level 30 several different times and tried to maintain two characters across Titan and Asura, and hadn't made it beyond that level range my first two years playing lol.

And I got grounded in 2005 for like 3 months and my PS2 taken from me as well from October til Christmas. Shucky darn, I was only 15.

True and real. Horizon casuals can't handle retail and mask it behind subjectivity of experience.

in several years draylo will launch his own private server.


he will become the very thing he swore to destroy

given spicy's transformation it wouldn't surprise me if draylo followed a similar path.

the funny part is spicy's whole cult took the same path. it's truly a treasure trove

"what do you mean I have to pay a sub fee?!"

Sorry but I wouldn't be caught dead on those servers. The real FFXI is still there and if it goes down one day I will just not play anymore.

The problem with choosing "the perfect era of FFXI" is that there never was a perfect era of FFXI. That's why there's dozens of private servers out there, each with slightly different degrees of QOL.

Setting up a private server is honestly one of the easiest things on the planet. You download a couple of things, follow maybe 20 minutes of instructions, and then it's literally just a check-list of things like the following:



You just change a couple of numbers, and bam, you're the next Aerec-P. Change "Treasures of Aht Urhgan" from "=false" to "=true" and Ctrl+S. Change "Enable_Trust_Casting=1" to "Enable_Trust_Casting=0" and now your server is suddenly the epitome of nostalgia.

I'm sure more than anything that's why Square-Enix doesn't want to do it. You'd have fans arguing over whether FoV "is a smart idea" or "out of era", you'd have fans arguing over whether or not should just stop after the March 2010 patch, or maybe even November 2007. No one would ever be happy, because even if they had exactly the right setup for one person, it wouldn't be the right setup for the other 99% of the playerbase.

It's sort of insulting to those of us who have actually done the work to see people say stuff like this. We have thousands of merged code commits on just Wings' Git alone, to say that you just change settings and blam you're running a server is not only extremely disingenuous, but just an outright lie.

I agree with you on a lot of things but it would be cool if you could at least pretend to argue in good faith, like you know I'm right here.

Ehh this is disingenuous..

Indeed you can get a kinda sorta server up in 20 minutes, it won't be very stable and it'll have all sorts of issues, but at least it'll be "running". To make anything that is remotely stable and can actually have players doing stuff is going to take hours of work, even more if you want to change anything. LSB has thousands of scripts that represent every action possible on the server, there are global variables that the scripts interpret to determine actions. So yes those globals are easy to change, but only because someone else has already put in the effort to make it work. Making your own stuff requires you to build the functions and scripts yourself, then test and hope it doesn't blow something else up.

CP / ML parties are fine for up to about 90 minutes, two hours tops, then it gets boring. The issue is that ML 40+ is so ridiculous that you need to fight non-stop for days to get anywhere. 30+ is bad enough but doable in 90~120 minute chunks, but at 40 all motivation just dies.

That is how it always was though, even in original 75 era. Yet they people think its the pinnacle of content for XI... unreal. So there is basically no difference aside from pace of fights which isn't saying much. Most groups had already figured out the burn style of exping and it was just as fast back then as said earlier on this page. Not to mention, most of those groups on that server are using abilities and buffs that did not exist back then like aoe refresh from SMN to speed things up. I have also seen them abusing BST pets to solo/fast level certain jobs.