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By volkom 2020-08-11 21:20:04
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Think people don't respond to polls honestly because they fear losing their jobs? (Lol)

people have lost jobs, been disowned by friends and family for voicing their political opinion ~ so its not hard to fathom that being a real possibility

Pretty much impossible to fathom considering polls are conducted in the privacy of one's own home. They aren't anything like voicing your opinion in public.

this is assuming that people are telling the truth 100% of the time.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-08-11 21:37:40
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She was a terrible candidate who ran an even worse campaign. Even if you want to blame the FBI for her loss (how dare they do their jobs!), she fact that she ended up in that position in the first place is her own fault.

And yet Trump narrowly won. You're supposed to be the data expert Rav, what's the data saying about the current race? Are all the polls fake? Think people don't respond to polls honestly because they fear losing their jobs? (Lol)

Trump didn't have a vast majority of major media outlets working in his favor, unlike Clinton. The coronation was well-coordinated. it was her election to lose.

But as for polls, if you want frank talk where I occasionally go against my "side", I'm going to expect some in return. I know you love defending your team without giving an inch on anything, but you gotta work with me here.

With that said, we'll start with the data. It's pretty similar to where it was four years ago. Biden is better off than Clinton was in terms of the popular vote, but the top battleground average is practically the same. Trump's favorability rating is up nearly four points from then. There is also a huge enthusiasm gap between Trump's and Biden's supporters in Trump's favor. How that will play out is anyone's guess.

Now here's where I interject my opinion. No, I don't think most scientific polls from legitimate pollsters are fake (though I often question their methodology on a professional level), nor do I think they're especially useful at this point. I don't even start my prediction models until a month out, especially when the race is still competitive. Do I think people are afraid of losing their jobs for responding to polls in favor of Trump? Probably a statistically insignificant amount. Do I think everyone is honest when answering phone polling questions? No, I do not. Voting is private and secret, so nobody is going to get in your face for exhibiting wrongthink. It's not uncommon for people to say what they want others to hear, especially in an interview with a stranger. That being said, the aforementioned enthusiasm gap derived from the same polls suggests that this is not the case with Trump's base. If there is an effect, it's likely to exhibit more strongly with the centrists, independents, and/or other fence-sitters. But since I don't have a proven model to account for that unknown quantity, I don't factor it in to my calculations. I keep my opinions and my math separate.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-08-11 22:28:03
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Anna Ruthven said: »
So about that weak candidate thing I said the other day.

This will get interesting...not as interesting as if it was Susan Rice, but interesting all the same.

"Defund the police! All cops are ***! ....vote for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris!"

Not sure what he was thinking but ok.

I'm pretty sure he was thinking that he was picking this Kamala Harris:



Unfortunately he died a couple days ago, so they used the other Kamala Harris since the logos were already printed.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-08-11 22:53:06
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Anywho, back to being serious. I think if people ever get back to being self-aware in a decade or two, there is a real potential for sociological studies on how the Left and their associated media managed to galvanize Trump's supporters so heavily. Even at their craziest, the poll numbers are just insanely stable in comparison to those of past presidents. Even in the middle of the Year of the Trainwreck, his aggregate approval numbers are closer to his highest point than they are to his lowest.

I honestly believe that Trump's approval could be several points lower if he had received fair treatment by the media throughout his Presidency. Instead, he gets the benefit of being the underdog fighting against "the system" because they overplayed their hands so friggin' hard at every turn. They cried Wolf every time they heard a twig snap, so now the real problems take a back seat to the praise he gets from his own people for telling the alarmists to just shut up already.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-08-11 23:04:13
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.... The FBI swung the election to Trump who won by an incredibly narrow margin. Ever since all the right has done is cry about "fake polls."
An incredibly narrow margin in 3 states she never campaigned in.

Bahamut.Ravael said: »
She was a terrible candidate who ran an even worse campaign. Even if you want to blame the FBI for her loss (how dare they do their jobs!), she fact that she ended up in that position in the first place is her own fault.
The GOP spent over 20 years and and several hundred millions of the taxpayer's dollars demonizing her*. Best investment they ever made.

And that announcement broke department rules, custom and protocol.

But yes, with a better campaign she would have won.

*I often pointed this out to dem friends.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-08-12 01:13:11
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And that announcement broke department rules, custom and protocol.

Don't worry. The Dems made sure that that was repaid in kind many times over, although it was kind of a fiasco for them in the end.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-08-13 15:34:33
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Washington’s top elections official warns of ‘very concerning’ changes at Postal Service that could impact voting
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... USPS Seattle district manager Kenn Messenger informed union leaders that due to low mail volumes, letters and “flats” – like magazines and large envelopes – originating in Yakima, Wenatchee and Tacoma will no longer be processed in those cities, instead being rerouted to either Spokane or Seattle. A separate document indicates that sorting machines will be removed from Wenatchee on Aug. 15 and from Yakima on Aug. 22....

John Michael Wald, president of the American Postal Workers Union Tri-Cities Area Local, said there is reason to expect mailing delays when letter and flat processing stops in Wenatchee, Yakima and Tacoma. He saw a similar consolidation first hand when the USPS shut down its processing operations in Pasco – along with Everett and Olympia – in 2012.

Wald, ... said that before the consolidation, local mail within the Tri-Cities area would be sorted by machines in Pasco and delivered the next day. When those machines were shut down, a letter sent from Richland to Kennewick had to be trucked to Spokane for sorting, adding at least a day to delivery.

“The impact on the quality of service, the time that it takes, is going to be even further compounded” by the Wenatchee and Yakima closures, he said, “because they’re farther from Spokane than we even are.” ...

Trump admits he's refusing to fund the US Postal Service to sabotage mail-in voting
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President Donald Trump told Fox Business on Thursday morning that he would block additional funding and election assistance for the US Postal Service to sabotage mail-in voting.

On Wednesday and Thursday, Trump said he would not sign off on any relief bill that includes emergency federal funds for the USPS and more money to process election-related mail.

"They want $25 billion — billion — for the post office. Now they need that money in order to have the post office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots," Trump said on Thursday, adding, "But if they don't get those two items, that means you can't have universal mail-in voting."

Under Postmaster General Louis DeJoy, the cash-strapped USPS has implemented cost-cutting measures that experts say could harm the delivery of election-related mail.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-08-13 15:37:46
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Same ***: New Day; Part 1301
By volkom 2020-08-13 15:41:38
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kind of a disingenuous opinion based on trumps action to not bail out the USPS. He's been against providing funds since at least may 2020.

https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/54807/save-the-post-office/
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-08-13 15:48:54
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Not disingenuous at all. He wanted the USPS to be "out of business" for the exact same reason then as now.

Nothing has changed in regard to the why.
By volkom 2020-08-13 16:06:30
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is that so? I didn't see you bring up that trump wanted to sabotage the election by not funding the USPS back in may.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-08-13 16:06:45
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Hell, I say let's keep the post office as it is.

It's a living example as to why socialism will never work!
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-08-13 16:18:30
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volkom said: »
is that so? I didn't see you bring up that trump wanted to sabotage the election by not funding the USPS back in may.

"I" didn't say it, because it was common knowledge.
May 8, 2020 / 7:11 AM
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The pandemic has also boosted interest in expanding options to vote by mail rather than crowding into polling places, making it more important that funding extends past November for the presidential election.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-08-13 16:27:00
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/26/politics/mail-in-ballot-vote-by-mail-trump/index.html

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Here's the *real* reason Donald Trump is attacking mail-in ballots
Tue May 26, 2020

By volkom 2020-08-13 16:28:47
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is that so? I didn't see you bring up that trump wanted to sabotage the election by not funding the USPS back in may.

"I" didn't say it, because it was common knowledge.

it was so common knowledge that no one mentioned anything about mail in ballots in the discussion about saving the USPS.

lets keep that narrative train going ~ choo choo
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-08-13 16:32:36
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I'll play a dumb game out of the sake of boredom.

Come up with one reason other than mail in ballots that the USPS should not exist that trump would give a ***about.

Spoiler; he wouldn't and won't give two *** about the USPS after the election.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-08-13 16:37:08
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Come up with one reason other than mail in ballots that the USPS should not exist that trump would give a ***about.
It's unsustainable.

Ever since it became a "private" entity, it has lost more money than it was under government control. Mainly due to the fact that it is the only "private" company in the US that is federal government funded and controlled.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-08-13 16:38:30
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If it fails it fails, he doesn't give a ***. Never has. Never will.
By volkom 2020-08-13 16:40:58
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to quote the legend himself.

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"the mail" is a novelty. It's out dated.

It doesn't mean that some important things don't and/or can't come in "the mail".

It's that things naturally progress overtime and the post office is in the paper-age and we're in the electronic-age. "change" is going to have to happen organically eventually. You look at the entire history of the USPS and what have they done to evolve/grow? Nothing!?... other than using horseless carriages... anything? mildly improved sorting that still relies largely on human presence is about it.

Perfect example, they still run vehicles designed in 1982 for *** sake. That run roughly equal efficiency to modern tractor-trailers. I mean, damn.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-08-13 16:45:32
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
If it fails it fails, he doesn't give a ***. Never has. Never will.
If he wasn't president, sure.

Problem is, he is.

While I would like to see the continued existence of the USPS, having it wholly dictated by Congress is not the way to do it.

But, tbh, it's better to keep USPS under the control of Congress as an example of why government-run business practices will always fail, instead of letting USPS go full private and some idiot socialists decide that socialism works.

Edit: After reading my post, I removed the unnecessary parts.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-08-13 16:47:06
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There is no different versions of Donnie. Donnie is Donnie regardless of title.

It doesn't directly affect him at all, under any circumstance.

And if you keep that ***up I'm reporting personal attacks again ***. We've been over this.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-08-13 16:49:45
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It was unnecessary, but not a personal attack. I'm sorry you feel that way.

I removed it though, so don't get twisted up in knots over it.

But keep dreaming that it doesn't affect him. He is the President, like it or not.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-08-13 22:25:13
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Trump stokes 'birther' theory about Kamala Harris
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Kamala Harris faces the 'black enough' question she helped Barack Obama grapple with 12 years ago
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-08-13 22:26:56
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Edit: After reading my post, I removed the unnecessary parts.
Wait... We can edit again????
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-08-13 22:36:33
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You can delete, repost and call it an edit, which is what he did
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By Prong 2020-08-14 02:35:54
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Kamala Harris faces the 'black enough' question she helped Barack Obama grapple with 12 years ago
Washington Examiner

To be fair, she kind of created this herself when she swore into the Senate as the first, "Indian-American."

https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/article124327739.html
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-08-14 07:21:38
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Prong said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
Kamala Harris faces the 'black enough' question she helped Barack Obama grapple with 12 years ago
Washington Examiner

To be fair, she kind of created this herself when she swore into the Senate as the first, "Indian-American."

https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/article124327739.html
I wonder if her DNA test shows she is 1/1024th Indian.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-08-14 08:19:40
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I'm calling it now!

The usual suspects here will accuse Barr of attempting to rig the election in Trump's favor. Either that or accusing Trump of attempting to rig the election in his favor.

Stay tuned for more details later today!
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